CRP Default, Consented Conflict, and the future of conflict

[Cat Evocation 3728]

33 minutes ago, Unwillingly said:

this behavior is a product of coddling people into thinking they have the right to refuse RP if it's just something they don't want to happen to their character, which, if that's something you believe people should have the right to do, then it's just a fundamentally different playstyle from what I believe in

 

Ultimately, we won't ever agree then. But that leads to another big problem LOTC has where it caters both to the "Extreme" (you) and "Casual" (me) sides of roleplay. These weird archaic rules where you die you come back but they're oddly balanced, yet you can go around and do extreme changes to people's characters like limb removal and the like.

 

They refuse to pick one or the other and it leads to constant back and forth like this and ultimately broils a lot of toxicity with each other with two majorly conflicting crowds of roleplayers. 

 

I understand your point and logic. I am sure you could understand mine. I suppose I wish lotc would stop playing middleman and correctly advertise the type of RP it wants to cater to.

 

Til then, we shall agree to disagree. Despite that I still hope you have a good day and dont wish you any ill will!

[Venomous_Pup 2978]

8 minutes ago, Unwillingly said:

cooperative RP is being able to deal with RP that doesn't always go in your favor, not scriped OOC consent clauses that ensure everyone is comfortable and permissive and doesn't have to (god forbid) engage in RP that's unfavorable to them OOCly. this mentality horseshoes back around into enabling the behavior that's becoming more and more prevalent and equally loathed, where people will do everything in their power to refuse conflict encounters and make it as insufferable for their attackers as possible by instantly modreqing, guilt tripping people OOCly, and dragging on the combat purely out of spite. this behavior is a product of coddling people into thinking they have the right to refuse RP if it's just something they don't want to happen to their character, which, if that's something you believe people should have the right to do, then it's just a fundamentally different playstyle from what I believe in

people are allowed to not want stuff to happen, that's fine. if you're being killed in RP and are bummed OOCly, it's an objective way to feel, but people need to be taught not to project that onto the players around them, not validated through OOC bubblewrap rules that are designed to prevent RP that would otherwise be feasible

I feel like you're just taking the extreme end of what Etan was saying just to validate your point, at no point does cooperation in this matter entail that I have to give people a choice if my character does evil or w/e to 'protect and coddle them'. The origins of Roleplay is based on cooperation, and I think it is somewhat ridiculous to cast that aside. On the other side of the coin I can point out how those in favor of conflict often resort to shitty things as well, abusing systems OOCly either to empower their character or outright prevent the side they're conflicting with to fight back properly, various cases of meta gaming, recruitment for the sole purpose of filling numbers in order to win a conflict, talking shit about their RP enemies in Discord in order to garner favor and influence IRP, straight up lying about how weapons and armor function to strong arm argue why they should win and the person they're fighting should lose. 

The fact of the matter is I can rattle off more various different things, keep complaining about the state of the server, continue to debate if I'm right and your wrong about what people do (in this situation particularly, I don't think it'd be a stretch to say both non-conflict RPers and conflict RPers can BOTH act scummy). There clearly is a divide in the community, and it seems like rather than coming together to try and find a solution, people get ridiculed for their thoughts, opinions, and experience for it not falling in line with whatever the other person thinks is best, so then we're stuck with no body doing anything because it seems like nobody wants to work together to even fix issues that exist outside of RP. Feels like every year that passes this server just seems more and more fractured and it's getting to the point of comical. There isn't going to be one solution that fixes this issue, let alone the server, and I think really the best bet is for people to come together and discuss ways to improve the server and try implement them. 

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[Malta 2811]

On 8/8/2024 at 3:12 PM, satinkira said:

 

why would I bother training up in pvp when it's a roleplay server lmao

cause its a factions server

[Sarven 2619]

A Roll based system for CRP would make it much more feasible way to end conflict decisively, aside from pvp goonery and honour crp which just boils down to 2 power gamers screeching about x, y or z

[Haseroth 1740]

44 minutes ago, Sarven said:

A Roll based system for CRP would make it much more feasible way to end conflict decisively, aside from pvp goonery and honour crp which just boils down to 2 power gamers screeching about x, y or z

¸literally this. Get people to sit down and design an actual ttrpg style combat system that makes sense for LOTC. You will kill all dumb crp arguments.