[Your View] Forum Rules

[Onnensr 1908]

Mirtok was a deranged tyrant and I -- an upstanding and serious roleplayer on the Premium Roleplay Experience -- should have his stain scrubbed away.

[sprtn 3340]

3 hours ago, 410,757,864,530 Dead Xannites said:

Hi Gang !!!

  yup, i'm not reading this

[trinn 5141]

6 hours ago, Karina said:

%500 agree

My first warning was for 'anonymous posting' for this one:
https://gyazo.com/d14b88338fab4fac7134a2774d735574

I've seen so many other people post without names directly. I guess someone just had it in for me to report. I certainly thought it sufficient at the time. I only had one persona. 

I also understand wanting to keep things civil. But there has to be a way to have discourse that doesn't immediately get shut down. My third warning was an OOC reply to a Haense thing.

It was behavior that I'm not really in a position to report, but I felt that other people deserved to know. Especially in the 'metaplay' era. People have to be able to call out problematic behavior /publicly/ somehow. 

Otherwise, it just all gets swept under the rug. Especially with how little faith most of us have in administrative/moderation action on player reports. I think all of us know either first hand or secondhand instances of blatant metagaming (let alone problematic / predatory behavior) without real consequences. 

I suppose public reports? But that's a whole different can of worms. 

 

7 hours ago, Nug said:

it feels like sometimes mods will use warning points to remove posts they don't like and mark it as "major toxicity". i would seriously think major toxicity is telling someone to die or calling them slurs, but the definitions for these things seem very broad and doesn't even match what appears on the forum rules page. (tbf it doesn't match my old warnings? maybe you guys do it differently now)

 

also why do they last 3 years??? maybe some major offenses should be kept in mind, but this feels very dramatic.

 

8 hours ago, Unwillingly said:

imo u guys need to lighten up and let ppl engage in banter. toxicity is one thing but people get warnings over non-issues and it's so tiring and unfun sometimes

 

expanding on my proposal for Anon Posting:

I  am currently looking to remove anon posting as a rule, as that is often used without malicious intent; some posts being hidden despite effort being put into the emote. My train of thought is that the heart of the rule is to stop people from making up ooc or fake/anon characters to oocly target someone in a reply; but i believe this is already covered by other rules already (such as roleplaying only a character you control, not oocly harassing/targetting someone/no meme or fail rp). 

 

In my opinion, a lot of the Forums go under the umbrella of a 'time and place'. A lot of posts get hidden, despite not hurting anyone or funny etc, because it just doesn't fit the 'time and place' of the issue. The Forums is an easily accessed and commonly browsed aspect of LoTC, and we have to be careful on what is being displayed here for people to see. 

 

Regardless, most of my current rule proposal changes are in hopes of lightening up, with an addition of wanting warning expiry dates being reduced when it comes to certain warnings of the forums @ nug. 3 years is the maximum for very, very serious things. They're supposed to be a lasting stain. That said, I do agree that some infractions lasting for 1 year, despite being minor infracs/actions,  is a harsh duration. 

 

I can't 100% guarantee that it lightens up in all the ways that people expect, but I do understand where the strictness is perceived from. At the moment, mods are just doing what they're expected to as per forum rules training. (which is why I hope this your-view gets a sense of how to amend some bridges there).

 

There has been a back and forth (on my end, at least, as personal conversations) on being more reactive than pro-active on the forums; that is, treating the report button at the top like modreqs and otherwise only intervening from there unless we spot something that is notably bad. Though, that would take on the approach we do in-game, where we're more dependant on players reporting issues than we are flying around looking for issues. 

4 hours ago, Greehn said:

  yup, i'm not reading this

-_-

[The Black Lubba 563]

Yall should have rules against people oocly retaliating against other people for their IRP forum comments. I’ve commented irply on a post before. Didn’t tag anyone or anything and had to spend half a day being yelled at/arguing with someone because my persona wasn’t loyal to their nation irply just because we were friends oocly. 

[Diogen 3729]

pls no removing posts & giving a warning to people who dont specify the persona that reacted to the post
some people have a reason not to specify the persona
thank u

[Xarkly 17299]

Main issue is just inconsistency.

 

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to which anon or shitposting gets warned and which doesn't.

[Destructokeith 1142]

Please free me of this stain, i simply replyed with an actual emote i sent in game after having my day wasted please.

 

Other then that i have made my thoughts on anon posting heard in the past and it seems to have worked but ill repost it here

 

I find anon posting for certain personas rather fitting, as much as we all wish it wasnt a factor people do metagame the forums from time to time so being able to post a forum reply without giving your personas name is nice.

 

Anyway thats it from me, pls free me of my warning

[Spoopy_Duck 3218]

Based on comments on this thread what if we formally brought back forum warning appeals?

[Onnensr 1908]

4 hours ago, Destructokeith said:

Please free me of this stain, i simply replyed with an actual emote i sent in game after having my day wasted please.

 

Other then that i have made my thoughts on anon posting heard in the past and it seems to have worked but ill repost it here

 

I find anon posting for certain personas rather fitting, as much as we all wish it wasnt a factor people do metagame the forums from time to time so being able to post a forum reply without giving your personas name is nice.

 

Anyway thats it from me, pls free me of my warning

Yet another victim!!!! We will endure brother, we will fight against these injustices! Forum Unionization, protests in the streets, one THOUSAND bait posts until justice is served!

[SethWolf 2340]

As others have said, allow for some fun banter here and there. We should stop pretending this is a serious roleplaying server and be able to be friendly with our fellow players.

 

Anon posting is largely innocent. If the mods took a second to read the post they'd be able to tell if it's a genuine well meaning rp post or just some run of the mill snide-poster trying to voice their ooc displeasure with something.

 

 

Now, I must ask:

 

What's the call on Seven-Skies posting? It's either a 50/50 of "X's ancestor greets them in the skies" or something similar (well-meaning rp that no one has an issue with) or just a way for someone who had a significant character who is now dead to use their clout to disagree or lend support to a current NL/popular figurehead's decisions. The latter - even if it is a multi paragraphed and well written post has always come off as really low brow to me and is clearly ooc motivated. Like cuz, you're in heaven why do you care if King Asshat II decided to do X or Y?

 

 

[Borin 7645]

10 hours ago, Snow1770 said:

Yall should have rules against people oocly retaliating against other people for their IRP forum comments. I’ve commented irply on a post before. Didn’t tag anyone or anything and had to spend half a day being yelled at/arguing with someone because my persona wasn’t loyal to their nation irply just because we were friends oocly. 

they are not your friend

[trinn 5141]

2 hours ago, SethWolf said:

As others have said, allow for some fun banter here and there. We should stop pretending this is a serious roleplaying server and be able to be friendly with our fellow players.

 

Anon posting is largely innocent. If the mods took a second to read the post they'd be able to tell if it's a genuine well meaning rp post or just some run of the mill snide-poster trying to voice their ooc displeasure with something.

 

 

Now, I must ask:

 

What's the call on Seven-Skies posting? It's either a 50/50 of "X's ancestor greets them in the skies" or something similar (well-meaning rp that no one has an issue with) or just a way for someone who had a significant character who is now dead to use their clout to disagree or lend support to a current NL/popular figurehead's decisions. The latter - even if it is a multi paragraphed and well written post has always come off as really low brow to me and is clearly ooc motivated. Like cuz, you're in heaven why do you care if King Asshat II decided to do X or Y?

 

 

 

In the strictest technicality, you should not be playing a character you do not play anymore (dead). It's in one of our rule-sets for the forums. This is to prevent, as you said, using a dead character's 'clout' or credibility to lend support to an on-going narrative. That said, I personally contextualise dead character posts into two categories: is it harmful and affecting roleplay, or just harmless fun? if its the latter, I do not believe in hiding it personally. You are allowed to appreciate and call-back to a character you've spent time playing : ). However, if it is as you said an issue of ooc motivation in using that character, it is 100% against the rules and will be hidden and infracted on

 

While it feeds into the issue of inconsistency, its one of those cases where I believe some context justifies leeway. Same with Anon-posting, which is why I want to push for changes for anon-posting (for reasons ive said above and what others have said here!!) 

 

I'll be adding on a document to the main post about the current ideas compiled from this discussion + my own planned proposals

[Zombiefide 124]

To get a forum warning and not be able to dispute it is a little silly, especially since 'poor rp quality' is arguable. Getting a forum warning after properly emoting a reply on the forums only for the OG poster (a gm) to warn you themself, handling their own 'situation', and not providing proof while deleting the post (as happened in my case, and I'm sure many others) is just pitiful. In my opinion forum warnings should have been changed a while ago, as to not be so one sided and to allow for dispute. 

 

14 hours ago, 410,757,864,530 Dead Xannites said:

At the moment, mods are just doing what they're expected to as per forum rules training.

 

11 hours ago, Xarkly said:

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to which anon or shitposting gets warned and which doesn't.

The answer here is; if you make a GM or their friend mad you get a warning. If you are a GM or their friend, you can post whatever you'd like. 

Which honestly brings up a good debate on whether it should be the GAME MODERATION team that hands out FORUMS warnings in the first place?

[trinn 5141]

9 hours ago, Zombiefide said:

To get a forum warning and not be able to dispute it is a little silly, especially since 'poor rp quality' is arguable. Getting a forum warning after properly emoting a reply on the forums only for the OG poster (a gm) to warn you themself, handling their own 'situation', and not providing proof while deleting the post (as happened in my case, and I'm sure many others) is just pitiful. In my opinion forum warnings should have been changed a while ago, as to not be so one sided and to allow for dispute. 

 

 

The answer here is; if you make a GM or their friend mad you get a warning. If you are a GM or their friend, you can post whatever you'd like. 

Which honestly brings up a good debate on whether it should be the GAME MODERATION team that hands out FORUMS warnings in the first place?

 

not to toot mirtok's horn since i dont even know the dude but his warning point looks justifiable and normal as per the current rules. Other than the fact that he should have incorporated a screenshot of your emote. 

 

as for disputing, we could potentially look into Spoopy's idea of forum warn appeals if that is a favourable option to people. It would be an early erasure of the warning before the expiry date, I think(?)

 

also game moderation encompasses moderating the forums and the server, we have to go over training to do both so idk if i agree that thats such a contentious issue

[xDK 1205]

Outline a the specific rules/standards that the mods expect people to adhere to on the forums, and reasons for why something is bad while other things are okay. Actually be specific about the rules, don't just make rules that are like "low effort roleplay not allowed" or "be nice to people". Lastly, be more aggressive with warning points for anyone breaking the rules, dont make exceptions in some places and not in others.