Where's Mick?

[ScreamingDingo 20568]

kill all metaplayers

show no mercy

ave squak

[sam33497 7356]

13 minutes ago, ScreamingDingo said:

kill all metaplayers

show no mercy

ave squak

nice try federal agent, power to the players

[subatomic 1498]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

I don't know why Mick was originally banned, nor did I have any say in it. I only knew after the fact, but this was also sent to me after the fact so I have zero sympathy for the guy. Spreading around logs of when someone was a minor is kinda strange, but at the end of the day it's his call not mine.

the leakers continue 2 grow

[Anore 2015]

2 hours ago, Mirvam said:

 

 

 

Where’s Mick?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I spent like 10 minutes looking I cannot find him.

[Mirvam 485]

1 minute ago, Anore said:

 

I spent like 10 minutes looking I cannot find him.

He's right there.

[monkeypoacher 8055]

It took two months for this new metagaming policy to devolve into ppl sharing vaguely incriminating chatlogs to try and get their friends banned - which is, admittedly, an impressive streak for the Lord of the Craft.

 

I don't see the point of these stupid bans for metaplay at all. Metagaming does damage in roleplay and should be redressed in roleplay. If someone metagames to win a war you should hit their realm capital with a meteor. If someone metagames to make their character the King said character should asphyxiate on a big chicken leg while his Courtiers stand around unwilling to save him. Et cetera. Et cetera. You could probably even make these into interesting and thematically relevant RP scenarios, but at the very least various small misfortunes can happen to people who metagame and are caught; an inexorable idiot chaos factor that counteracts any advantages they might have.

 

For a bunch of roleplayers you guys are surprisingly allergic to a simple "yes, and." Everything has to be taken out of character, rules-lawyered, argued about, and heckin updooted on the forums. I have no idea if the ban is deserved in specific because there's a preamble on "Roleplay Leaders and their Expectations;" My eyes glaze over at the unnecessarily formal definitions of 'metaplay,' 'roleplay leader,' etc. and this prevents me from actually reading what the rules are.

 

But apparently no one has thought to simply remove misbehaving nation leaders from their ill-gotten gains with countervailing bullshit RP, or to deal with the alleged roleplay terrorists and the nations harboring them in the sphere where they actually exist, which is Aevos. Instead we need to ban people the Admins don't like, then listen to them bow and scrape to get unbanned, the exact same thing we've been doing for 10 years to no positive effect. Give it a try. The next time you catch someone skirting the boundaries of acceptable roleplay, kill their character in an interesting and story-advancing way.

[Jogdish_Argamesh 119]

I’ve asked mick for financial assistance in real life 2 times now and 2 times I’ve been turned down. Keep him banned. 

[Hot_Dip 789]

@MirvamFrom what I know, I'm pretty sure the admins have Mickaelhz POV of the messages, not mine. I myself have seen screenshots from Micks POV going around as well. Could be wrong. Either way doesn't really matter, someone definitely got ahold of them and tried to maliciously get us or maybe just him banned. I don't really see why any bans should be issued over our private conversation. Bans on this server are way too harsh in general. No other RP communities are anywhere close to this harsh with bans. 

[Jentos 9422]

 

federal agents i swear on azdromoth i had nothing to do with this post 

 

Spoiler

admins idk just share a doc of evidence/some line of reasoning with the guy getting banned when it happens if u can spare it 

 

[Hot_Dip 789]

4 hours ago, Nooblius said:

I would like to input some cents into this, as someone who has had a genuine beef with Mick in the past, and very real beef that I think both of us would mostly stand by, even if both of us would wish that we sorted it out sooner.

 

I have fairly actively known about the dealings of Mickaelhz on this server since late 2019. This guy likes conflict, and is quite serious about his like of conflict. This used to frustrate me, before I began to realize that if conflict was inherently bad, then it might as well not be on the server at all. I asked myself what the better way of engaging in banditry would be, and realized that a lot of that were things Mickaelhz tried to do. He has a documented history on the forums of discussing things about villainy and banditry, and how to improve them. I don't think  it's facetious, even when I agree with him at times.

 

I have actually come to find Mick more good natured, curious about RP-culture and supportive of new players than most players I've met on the server. This is obvious with Myrine, and the Marenos which have come afterward. For the Ferrymen- well, I would challenge to find a Ferryman who doesn't have an actual character while Mick has been in charge, especially in recent memory. Long gone are the OOC pvp union (which I think is undeniable, sorry mick) of the early days. Sam's character became a lich, and was highly involved in eventlines.

 

I don't know the context of the ban with certainty, but from what I do know it had something to do with talking about potential future wars OOCly. Unless there is more to it than I know (and I would advocate that especially in context of the players wanting to discuss their bans more even if publicly, I would just show the evidence publicly) then I would ask why was he banned? 

 

I loathe the concept that people are afraid of doing raids and wars against their friends. When I left the dwarves, my next character advocated for war against them. This was not because I hated the community I had just been in for years- but it was because I did not want war anyone if it was so terrible a thing as to not wish it with your friends. Is this not a roleplay server? Do we not have admins, and moderators? Why would we have mechanics if their use is fundamentally against the good of communities? Just go the Telanir option, and make war consensual if it is so terrible that you don't trust players to orchestrate it.

 

Is it because he has an OOC disagreement with certain communities? Feuds? I would actually agree with the policy that is something the admins should be heavy handed in- but then if they are to do it, let it be done in a way that improves the server, rather than rewards the weaponization of bans. It is not like Mick's feuds are one sided- and I remind the reader that I say this from a point of experience. Feuds are bad for the server, and their affect on dilluting Roleplay should be ruled over by Administration and Moderators- but I really think they were heavy handed with this, and very one sided, at least to any information I have seen, and from things I have heard from admins personally. If there is some great elaborate plot to it OOCly that is totally disconnected from RP- then fair enough. But, I would tell anyone who says there is no RP narrative of fighting between Marenos and Haense to look at the last major was on the server, and consider the OOC tensions there. Were they remotely one sided? Does anyone really think that both sides of that don't have people who have OOC discussions about should that war rise again, who will fight it? I would prefer that actions were taken that diminished OOC schemeing for wars, and gave guidelines on to what was specifically wrong, and ACTIVE efforts to ask NLs to stop this, and confront them on things you expect they may be doing wrong.

 

Immediate metaplay bans with no asking the banned player what their side of it is, for three months before they can even tell their side of the story, without any guidelines is absurd, and unnecessary. This only rewards a more devious OOC plotting, where it is kept more well hidden and rewards OOCly tricking people so you can catch them in the act, and snitch on it. As it stands, with unclear rules, really any degree of OOC conduct if it involves conflict RP can be construed as Metaplay, and all that matters is how convincing it is.

 

These are my thoughts as a former dwarf rival of Mick, and in that context I plainly say just communicate with the guy; he's not the devil.

 

I will make a post hopefully soon outlining some more thoughts of mine with specific solutions to take positive action against Metaplay, which I genuinely believe is a scourge to the server.

Ain't nobody readin allat bruh 🤣

 

2 hours ago, monkeypoacher said:

It took two months for this new metagaming policy to devolve into ppl sharing vaguely incriminating chatlogs to try and get their friends banned - which is, admittedly, an impressive streak for the Lord of the Craft.

 

I don't see the point of these stupid bans for metaplay at all. Metagaming does damage in roleplay and should be redressed in roleplay. If someone metagames to win a war you should hit their realm capital with a meteor. If someone metagames to make their character the King said character should asphyxiate on a big chicken leg while his Courtiers stand around unwilling to save him. Et cetera. Et cetera. You could probably even make these into interesting and thematically relevant RP scenarios, but various small misfortunes should happen to people who metagame and are caught; an inexorable idiot chaos factor that counteracts any advantages they might have.

 

For a bunch of roleplayers you guys are surprisingly allergic to a simple "yes, and." Everything has to be taken out of character, rules-lawyered, argued about, and heckin updooted on the forums. I have no idea if the ban is deserved in specific because there's a preamble on "Roleplay Leaders and their Expectations;" My eyes glaze over at the unnecessarily formal definitions of 'metaplay,' 'roleplay leader,' etc. and this prevents me from actually reading what the rules are.

 

But apparently no one has thought to simply remove misbehaving nation leaders from their ill-gotten gains with countervailing bullshit RP, or to deal with the alleged roleplay terrorists and the nations harboring them in the sphere where they actually exist, which is Aevos. Instead we need to ban people the Admins don't like, then listen to them bow and scrape to get unbanned, the exact same thing we've been doing for 10 years to no positive effect. Give it a try. The next time you catch someone skirting the boundaries of acceptable roleplay, kill their character in an interesting and story-advancing way.

Yo this guy just said the wisest shit I've ever heard from an lotcer. @TythusPlease make this man an admin, Please replace telanir with this man. 

[Papa Rock 2400]

If Mickaehlz is not unbanned, I will be sad.

[satin 7600]

6 hours ago, Mirvam said:

 

 

 

not a single member of administration reached out to him to let him know he was banned or why

 

yeah they do that 

[RedResult 573]

Bring Mickaelhz home dawg. . yall actin like he robbed walmart or smth

 

[gremlockgremlin 755]

Runesmithing?

[Ninjay 1184]

In all the time I've known him, Mick and co have always encouraged others and myself to go do RP related things, in RP.  Everything I've seen from him has always demonstrated a high value being placed on ensuring roleplay related stuff was actually done in roleplay and had legitimacy behind it.

This is all aside from the fact he's been one of the nicest people I've met on the server and provided an immeasurable amount of fun to myself and others.

Free Mick.