What do you think of the Empire and its contributions to the server?

[Rig 17580]

21 hours ago, Chuuwys said:

 

the hammer on nail's head. it's incredibly frustrating to have people in the status section being toxic and calling elves bitches for not making coalitions when the playerbases of elves or humans involved aren't remotely the same in size or activity, regardless of how scattered one might be, it's still a joined nation where there's an expectation of assistance in a fight. hands are tied not just oocly but ICly too. i've tried my utmost as a new player who loves wood elves in other media to try and bring life to a city i have invested interest in, then get insulted tangentially because older human players are too focused on seal clubbing through trolling and such. ive seen multiple older players leave the server over the last 2 or so weeks of rp, how do you imagine new players might feel?

 

to then say we all whine on the forums more than do things in roleplay... i dont know, ive roleplayed a ton so far, im seeing plenty of other elf players actively roleplay some high quality stuff; maybe the reason empire players arent seeing it as much is because why would anyone want to interact with a nation that either wants to own them or kill them if they say no, knowing full well that no matter the justification IC, the numbers game OOC and the brass tacks of numbers puts one side at an unwinnable disadvantage? how am i supposed to help build a nation when new players join, see that we're 2 seconds away from attack the entire first month of the map starting, then leave? how do you convince older players and their characters that dislike the empire to then stay there? you can't.

 

i try to keep an even hand on this topic because IRP is what it will be, and there's very little i can do in this matter so why be upset. but the fact is, i rarely speak on this OOC in case i catch the irritiation of a troll who has a grudge to pluck with me if i say this stuff. i wouldnt have said anything had it not been for stargush's accuracy and a player being rude in the status section. its not even a personal beef with werewolf or anyone else, its just that trollposting your genocidaire roleplay probably shouldnt have this cooling effect on people ooc where they fear saying anything. yet it is. and people know it does. so...

 

Empire side: "Stop complaining and role-play on the server."

The whiners: "Werewolf's not gonna let you suck it." Real interaction I saw yesterday from a misogynist who orbits your player base. No, being female (or LGBTQ) does not excuse misogyny, and I'm relatively amused that the so called "intersectional crowd" (who btw think that an elven supremacist, homophobic state was still free to continue existing) is no doubt going to double down on this behavior, or facetiously throw the person under the bus as if that individual's behavior is not somehow emblematic of what's going on in their private chats, which no doubt include other players with similar opinions. 

The claim of genocide is particularly strange, because most of the groups have been vassalized and not wiped out. Their cultures have not been cleansed either. The only group to face genocide was coincidentally one that has advocated historically for genocide against other elven cultures, and has high elven nationalist beliefs. Majority of the groups that exist under the Empire have been allowed to keep their cultures with the stipulation that those cultures don't bleed into Core Imperial Territories (I.E., human realms that fall under direct control of the Emperor himself, and not a protectorate-state such as Caurost, Norland, or Idunia). For instance, Cursed Children can live in Idunia, but not in the rest of the Empire. There is a substantial amount of autonomy given to client states of the Empire. Yes, the Empire is relatively racist and arguably practices some form of apartheid, though I've seen a very mixed population there that's treated well with comparison of many nations I've seen on the server in the past. It's really only recently that nations have become melting pots rather than ethnic states. There has been some progressivism IRP and OOCly occurring for many years, the fact this Empire is insanely more humane with comparison to the ones that preceded it is a huge part of that. 

 

I played in an actual group that more or less got brutally destroyed in a war. The difference was that we ran it back and kept complaints to a minimum. It's possible to have fun on the server despite all of that. These claims of toxicity are also ridiculous. Yes, people are going to minimize the childish whining and be sarcastic about it. If you have the right to complain, then other people have the right to critique your complaints. 

 

Genuinely, if you want the Empire to change or want it destroyed, you should role-play about it instead. If people break the server rules, report them. This much discourse over a player group in-game is getting ridiculous. If you cannot make role-play changes in role-play, and you leave the server over it, you were here for the wrong reasons to begin with. To be clear, I'm not saying any of these things to be rude or to slander you, but I want to give you a counternarrative. I don't expect you to take everything at face value, but there's a reason many nations willingly joined the Empire for IRP reasons on the basis of geopolitical factors, societal factors, and other variables outside of being terrified of getting destroyed. Numendil, Koyo-Kuni, and Caurost didn't need to join the Empire but did so for varying political reasons that didn't include a huge amount of fear. You can't conquer (nearly) an entire map without at least partial consent from the people inhabiting it. A coalition would form to attempt to take them down if that were the case.

[Lasombruh 612]

On 12/10/2025 at 4:49 PM, _Sug said:

I hate the Empire, especially Werewolf, KBR, Hughbert, Sethwolf, Milenkhov, JoanofArc, _Sug, Tide, Dwgwulf, Rain, Nectorist, Hopey, Squakhawk, Ibraheem, Sam, Sean, Smmrs, Guac, and Lasombruh. 

 

 

 

Put a carb on.

I couldn’t agree more

[Fluffy Horror 496]

I have a pretty unpopular opinion, which I'm well aware of, that each individual major Race should get their own Kingdom, and that other races shouldn't be allowed to conquer/own/etc another race's Kingdom. Like maybe designate one to three tiles that are safe from other races, and can't be conquered, including the Capital of a race's Kingdom.

 

As per usual, the humans in fantasyland are really racist, which is fine when all the other races have a safe zone, but not when the Empire owns your race's Kingdom. Then you just get into Colonialism and Hostile Occupation roleplay, which isn't fun for a lot of people. Generally if people are playing a certain race, they want to get involved in the culture of that race. Being in a diaspora doesn't really properly allow that. No matter how much the parent Empire ostensibly on paper allows freedom of cultural practices, in RP, it doesn't shake out that way. Empires encourage and reward homogeneity, and punish individuality. So long as Imperial forces have the power to walk into any place and have authority,  you are only permitted your culture so long as a random bored Imperial Guard doesn't want to take it from you.

 

I also think that we should have more wars that don't have such high stakes. Right now, if you lose a war, you lose everything. I want to see smaller, pettier wars, where the loser just has to pay a fine or give back a McGuffin or something. Wars where no one really wins or loses, you just fight, lick your wounds, then fight again. IRL history is full of so many petty, miniature wars! The Drusco situation was fun, but when it ended, Drusco was completely annihilated. I want petty wars like Drusco without the stake being complete and utter annihilation. Declare a war about who owns a river cutting between both lands, loser has to publically apologize and give up fishing rights. Declare a war because another Lord called your wife ugly. BE PETTY!

[Kaiser 2347]

I'd say about 75% of the time I see complaints about the Empire, it either boils down to "WereW0lf is a ****" (He is, love you bro) or, worse, that the server's health is at detriment due to one Nation having so much authority. The fact the Empire exists and has an expansionist and hegemonic foreign political philosophy isn't inherently destructive to the server, nor is the fact they conquer, start wars, etc. -- We've had these massive Empires before, and they've sometimes been pretty fun and create fun opportunities for RP. Just because an Empire exists itself isn't somehow a problem, and most people are just very prideful OOCly and don't want to be under the thumb of someone else in RP, especially if they feel that they were 'conquered' or coerced into subjugation.

But WereW0lf himself... Dude plays a Djinn on his other persona that is mysteriously hailed as an angel by the church instead of a demon or anything else, running around giving Cassus Beli to his own Empire... Norland got genocided and the King who died (Milenkhov) was, just by mysterious happenstance, gonna play the governor of Norland under the empire on a new persona

There are a series of other examples. Even if you believe these really aren't malicious intent, boy do they look like it. Personally, I'm not sure why we have to pretend like that's not because the nameplate above the Djinn's head is 'Werew0lf' (the Emperor), or that Milenkhov and Werew0lf are friends OOCly and obviously worked out a deal. 

Likewise, the OOC culture of the Empire has a plethora (not all, but a sizable number) of literal goons who don't want to create stories or really care about anything beyond geopolitics, and moreso are only interested in 'kicking down sandcastles' as I've said before. They exist to create a vanity project for themselves, usually due to OOC desire, and to ruin the creations of others to highlight their own project. If you have ever even remotely been around these groups, and you have an IQ of 72, you know what I mean. Swaths of bum, no-life, NEET losers who use LoTC mostly to satiate their own egos. 

 

The real sin of the Empire is this sort of stuff, the blatant rule skirting, the obvious bias, the metaplay that's clear as day, the underlying resistance to genuinely have a culture of 'Play to lift' because that's "Baby shit". But this isn't restricted to the Empire alone, nor one person, so it's extremely hard to pin down and say "XYZ person is doing it". It's a culture, a server culture, one that we all hopefully will begin to change in time.

[Werew0lf 24180]

17 minutes ago, Kaiser said:

I'd say about 75% of the time I see complaints about the Empire, it either boils down to "WereW0lf is a ****" (He is, love you bro) or, worse, that the server's health is at detriment due to one Nation having so much authority. The fact the Empire exists and has an expansionist and hegemonic foreign political philosophy isn't inherently destructive to the server, nor is the fact they conquer, start wars, etc. -- We've had these massive Empires before, and they've sometimes been pretty fun and create fun opportunities for RP. Just because an Empire exists itself isn't somehow a problem, and most people are just very prideful OOCly and don't want to be under the thumb of someone else in RP, especially if they feel that they were 'conquered' or coerced into subjugation.

But WereW0lf himself... Dude plays a Djinn on his other persona that is mysteriously hailed as an angel by the church instead of a demon or anything else, running around giving Cassus Beli to his own Empire... Norland got genocided and the King who died (Milenkhov) was, just by mysterious happenstance, gonna play the governor of Norland under the empire on a new persona

There are a series of other examples. Even if you believe these really aren't malicious intent, boy do they look like it. Personally, I'm not sure why we have to pretend like that's not because the nameplate above the Djinn's head is 'Werew0lf' (the Emperor), or that Milenkhov and Werew0lf are friends OOCly and obviously worked out a deal. 

Likewise, the OOC culture of the Empire has a plethora (not all, but a sizable number) of literal goons who don't want to create stories or really care about anything beyond geopolitics, and moreso are only interested in 'kicking down sandcastles' as I've said before. They exist to create a vanity project for themselves, usually due to OOC desire, and to ruin the creations of others to highlight their own project. If you have ever even remotely been around these groups, and you have an IQ of 72, you know what I mean. Swaths of bum, no-life, NEET losers who use LoTC mostly to satiate their own egos. 

 

The real sin of the Empire is this sort of stuff, the blatant rule skirting, the obvious bias, the metaplay that's clear as day, the underlying resistance to genuinely have a culture of 'Play to lift' because that's "Baby shit". But this isn't restricted to the Empire alone, nor one person, so it's extremely hard to pin down and say "XYZ person is doing it". It's a culture, a server culture, one that we all hopefully will begin to change in time.

 

Hey... leave me alone

[Fluffy Horror 496]

Commenting again because something else came to mind-

 

I think people need to consider what's happening in the real world a little more.

 

People who are experiencing oppression, discrimination, apartheidism, genocide, colonialism, and other similar things IRL are naturally going to have a lower tolerance for that stuff in their fantasy escapism.

 

This is a game, and is ultimately intended as an escape from real life woes. If it is no longer fun, it's not doing its job. It's really hard for a lot of minority groups IRL right now in the main counties that LOTC players are from. I've spoken with several people who have taken a step back from LOTC, or made new characters, because they didn't want to deal with fictional oppression in addition to real life oppression. I myself struggle greatly with some of the common Empire RP because it reflects IRL discrimination that I have been fighting against my whole life.

 

People need to learn how to play to lift. There are too many people on LOTC who's main form of enjoyment is "winning"- people who go out of their way to crush other's roleplay experiences without thinking about the person behind the computer. People in positions of power need to be especially conscientious about this. Sure, it might be fun for you and your friends to go around lynching elves, but how are you affecting the players of those elves?

 

Another thing is that people are just, fully using IRL symbols of oppression and fascism without doing research about their meaning, and it inadvertently causes so much grief. Some people burned a cross the other day and I was like 😬 And there's the fact that the Empire is widely using the RHODESIAN CROSS as a symbol- and it's not just people not knowing what it is, because they call it the Rhodesian Cross in game. That's a white nationalist symbol, created and used by a famous, prominent white nationalist nation that no longer exists. It's really triggering for people to see genuine symbols and instruments of their IRL oppression on a fictional game. It's like if the Empire started using the swastika.

[tasty_cheesecake 2298]

32 minutes ago, Kaiser said:

Dude plays a Djinn on his other persona that is mysteriously hailed as an angel by the church instead of a demon or anything else, running around giving Cassus Beli to his own Empire

 

not commenting on the rest of it but I was declaring war even if ww didnt show up to my diplo meeting, war was gonna get declared fs after feb 14 it was just stalling to improve diplomacy for a month. the reasons to fight haense had little to do w st raguel at least from church planning POV. since schism war 2 raguelposting has dropped drastically.

 

also @Fluffy Horror i chopped that cross down into a stake so we didnt have to do crucifixion rp

Edited December 12, 2025 by tasty_cheesecake

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@tasty_cheesecakeIt still looked like a cross when it was lit on fire.

 

But out of genuine curiosity, not accusatory in any way- how is burning at the stake RP better than crucifixion RP? They're both agonizing, torturous deaths that have been IRL historically used. I personally find burning at the stake RP worse.

[Werew0lf 24180]

2 minutes ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@tasty_cheesecakeIt still looked like a cross when it was lit on fire.

 

But out of genuine curiosity, not accusatory in any way- how is burning at the stake RP better than crucifixion RP? They're both agonizing, torturous deaths that have been IRL historically used. I personally find burning at the stake RP worse.

 

everything becomes a historical correlation if you look at it deeply. burning someone on a stake rp is not an 'empire of man' exclusive. if u think its that triggering u might enjoy roblox kingdom life 2 (i do) its much more softer and devoid of rp heavy topics

 

also if ur being discriminated irp over your skin colour n u think theyre being genuinely racist u have mods to enforce the rp standards.

 

fantasy races being discriminated against i care less about bcuz thats rp and humans arent killing elves irl

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@Werew0lfHey man, there's no need to be condescending. You're a staff member, you gotta be better than this. Never said burning at the stake was a trigger, I just think in terms of sucky deaths it's on par with crucifixion, and they both have been used in the same historical contexts. So I wanted to know why tasty was okay with one, but not the other.

 

Racism is far more insideous than "You're a different skin colour so I hate you". Only the very tip of the iceberg is above water, easy to see and identify. The rest of it is harder to see, and thus people always live in the land of plausible deniability. It's very difficult to prove racism and discrimination in its subtler form.

 

The burning at the stake isn't the issue here, it's that a cross was set on fire, and, again, the Empire is using the Rhodesian Cross.

 

So, because there are actual humans behind the computer screen playing these characters, it's not "just elves", it is people watching elves experience the same kind of discrimination they might have gone through IRL.

 

No one can separate themselves entirely from the characters in the game. And if you experience racism, as in your example, in real life, then come onto LOTC and experience it fictionally, it doesn't matter that it's over elves instead of your skin colour, you are still having to engage with it and navigate it.

 

LOTC does not exist in a vacuum, it is a product of and influenced by the very real people who play it. Sure, elves don't exist IRL, but the systems of oppression they face on LOTC do. If you are discriminated against in real life because of your race, then log into your fantasy escapism game and experience the exact same thing with the serial numbers scratched off, or, worse, the same serial numbers (Rhodesian Cross...) you are going to be affected.

[Kardika 1057]

I love the empire, I can't wait to bandit it again once I am less busy.

[Werew0lf 24180]

4 minutes ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@Werew0lfHey man, there's no need to be condescending. You're a staff member, you gotta be better than this.

 

Racism is far more insideous than "You're a different skin colour so I hate you". Only the very tip of the iceberg is above water, easy to see and identify. The rest of it is harder to see, and thus people always live in the land of plausible deniability. It's very difficult to prove racism and discrimination in its subtler form.

 

The burning at the stake isn't the issue here, it's that a cross was set on fire, and, again, the Empire is using the Rhodesian Cross.

 

So, because there are actual humans behind the computer screen playing these characters, it's not "just elves", it is people watching elves experience the same kind of discrimination they might have gone through IRL.

 

No one can separate themselves entirely from the characters in the game. And if you expect racism, as in your example, in real life, then come onto LOTC and experience it fictionally, it doesn't matter that it's over elves instead of your skin colour, you are still having to engage with it and navigate it.

 

LOTC does not exist in a vacuum, it is a product of and influenced by the very real people who play it. Sure, elves don't exist IRL, but the systems of oppression they face on LOTC do. If you are discriminated against in real life because of your race, then log into your fantasy escapism game and experience the exact same thing with the serial numbers scratched off, you are going to be affected.

you’ve decided to use an issue you have with the lotc standard and smear it on my guys as fascist racist nazis and ur asking me not to be condescending 

 

the empire discord has nearly 1000 guys, none of us call it the rhodesian cross. there’s morons who exist in the server who call everything anything. we used the cross because my friends are warhammer pilled and we play warhammer games and wanted to represent the imperial cross of sigmar, but a lot of fantasy tropes are heavy influenced by negative cultures

 

you don’t need to write a long spiel, it won’t make you win an argument

 

not everything everyone says about my nation represents the voices of the top dogs. 
 

if ur mad about being oppressed on a roleplay server built on 15 years of lore, with a lot of oppression, and trying to express it as an issue with the current empire, you’re being disingenuous 

 

if you have an issue with this sort of roleplay, make a forum post. this is a culture and standard of narrative that exists on this server. orcs have done it, dwarves have done it, elves do it all the time (see: haelunor). don’t comment on an empire hate thread purposely trying to make my nation seem like it’s some fanatical nazi nation bro and maybe I’ll talk to you a bit nicer 😂

[Rig 17580]

22 minutes ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@Werew0lfHey man, there's no need to be condescending. You're a staff member, you gotta be better than this.

 

Racism is far more insideous than "You're a different skin colour so I hate you". Only the very tip of the iceberg is above water, easy to see and identify. The rest of it is harder to see, and thus people always live in the land of plausible deniability. It's very difficult to prove racism and discrimination in its subtler form.

 

The burning at the stake isn't the issue here, it's that a cross was set on fire, and, again, the Empire is using the Rhodesian Cross.

 

So, because there are actual humans behind the computer screen playing these characters, it's not "just elves", it is people watching elves experience the same kind of discrimination they might have gone through IRL.

 

No one can separate themselves entirely from the characters in the game. And if you expect racism, as in your example, in real life, then come onto LOTC and experience it fictionally, it doesn't matter that it's over elves instead of your skin colour, you are still having to engage with it and navigate it.

 

LOTC does not exist in a vacuum, it is a product of and influenced by the very real people who play it. Sure, elves don't exist IRL, but the systems of oppression they face on LOTC do. If you are discriminated against in real life because of your race, then log into your fantasy escapism game and experience the exact same thing with the serial numbers scratched off, you are going to be affected.

 

Werewolf isn't white, I am Jewish, a number of other people in the Empire come from a multitude of different backgrounds. Some of our knights play Quali and are proud RL muslims. One of my favorite friends who helped found the empire is Iraqi. The Rhodesian Cross itself isn't necessarily 1-to-1 a fascist symbol, it's the Rhodesian Flag that is. The cross itself has existed in multitudes of governments (European, yes) and if we're going to begin restricting symbology that's always tied to real life governments, it's going to make it insanely difficult for people to come up with things. In the case of the Empire, the cross symbol (AFAIK) was taken from Warhammer as well. Just saw Werewolf post above me so I'll leave it there. Sorry you're having issues IRL, everybody on the server is, otherwise I don't imagine people would have 1 day of playtime on here broadly across the board. That being said, you're free to have disagreements without resorting to ad hominem against a diverse player base.

 

Edit: Looked up the "Rhodesian Cross". Doesn't exist?

https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbols/search

 

ADL is not a perfect resource, I used Google too, but couldn't find anything. 

 

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@Werew0lfit was name-dropped as the Rhodesian Cross at the coronation, and I've seen it name-dropped by several priests...

 

I get it feels bad to discover that you have been using fascist racist Nazi symbols, the correct thing to do when you find out something like that is to make a change.

 

You're right, this IS a serverwide issue on LOTC, and a problem with the culture in general, but it is currently especially egregious in the Empire, which is a nation deliberately intended to be fascist- that just means you have to be all the more careful to be respectful about it.

 

I'm not suggesting that fictional racism be banned and we all hold hands and sing Kumbayah. I'm saying that people need to be a little bit more conscientious about the people behind the screen. There are respectful, considerate ways to play a horrible racist character, and too few people take the time to do that.

 

 

[Werew0lf 24180]

3 minutes ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@Werew0lfit was name-dropped as the Rhodesian Cross at the coronation, and I've seen it name-dropped by several priests...

 

I get it feels bad to discover that you have been using fascist racist Nazi symbols, the correct thing to do when you find out something like that is to make a change.

 

You're right, this IS a serverwide issue on LOTC, and a problem with the culture in general, but it is currently especially egregious in the Empire, which is a nation deliberately intended to be fascist- that just means you have to be all the more careful to be respectful about it.

 

I'm not suggesting that fictional racism be banned and we all hold hands and sing Kumbayah. I'm saying that people need to be a little bit more conscientious about the people behind the screen. There are respectful, considerate ways to play a horrible racist character, and too few people take the time to do that.

 

 

I don’t care if it was name dropped by some random as the Rhodesian cross. that wasn’t even our guy who did it 😂 and that’s not what it was representing

 

ur just a twerp who’s calling my nation racist fascists irl lol

 

don’t talk to me about racism plz thx also stop trying to romance rp my knights man