Imperial Leaders on the OOC side

[Werew0lf 24180]

1 hour ago, Wolfy-D said:

if you cant be mature and actually take part meaningfully without being rude, don't respond to this anymore and don't talk to me.

 

i would highly suggest you read this rule next time before you shitpost in here "6- Keep discussions on topic, and refrain from posting videos, memes or other content that may distract from the topic at hand" 

 

i understand where you are coming from here, but if he cannot respond without making rude remarks or acting like a child, or just ignore it which is as easy as not looking at that conversation, he is not fit to lead a nation that is 75% of the entire server.

 

I agree here about where you compliment him for his efforts to keep the IC good and active, but that effort should not allow him to act like this on an purely OOC level.

 

I agree, it would be way too long for the forums to handle. but this post is around Werewolf and other high ranking members treat everyone else's opinions like a joke which causes other people to think it is okay.

 

I agree, the dwarven leadership is probably one of the most immature groups on the server when it comes to the things they do in VCs. however the dwarves are a close group of friends who are friendly on an OOC level and almost never mean anything they say, and everyone else they are talking to know it. what makes the imperial leadership different is it becomes really hard to tell when they are joking or just straight up being rude, and they do it to everyone else, not just their friends.

 

I know, but if you were to look at this rules right here "Do not troll or bully other members of our community in-game, on the forums, or over Discord." he is actively admitting to breaking rules by agreeing he is trolling. so maybe you guys should reread the rules before you keep arguing your side.

 

I agree, I've enjoyed the way he is playing his character even though I've never interacted with the character and think he is doing that very well. but once again i have a problem with how he acts OOCly and that has nothing to do with RP he does.

 

you pointed out that 1 of my arguments had little actual proof, which i didn't have because i was angry at the time and wasn't thinking 100% clearly. but now here is some instances i can think of. 

One of the newest dwarves Dorin Starbreaker went with a mercenary company to Alba (i don't know the specifics but this is what I've been told) within minutes of a random guard speaking to him there were around 10 guards to showed up, called PVP, and killed them all with almost no RP.

my own personal experience from very late Aevos, i was on my orc just orcing around in the empire, with all the roleplay of "*draws sword and points it at the orc" followed by #looc PVP? and the 10 other guys there immediately agreeing and just like that I was told to /d20 because i didn't have any PVP gear and had no way of getting it. So 10 deaths later I eventually shelved the character because imperials couldn't give me the courtesy of having an okay death through CRP even after I told them i would PK if they did that.

And 1 third example of the empires actions effecting someone I know, which doesn't exactly follow the original point but is close enough. someone loosely knew cried when they heard the empire was reverting the tile back to its unbuilt land because they had builds there that held actual emotional value to them through the RP they've done.

 

No I wont leave, and if your only advice is to leave than it supports my point of the empire making people leave the server.

 

I do interact with it, I interact with it a lot. and once again my problem has nothing to do with the RP way things are being handled. My problem is the way things are being done on the OOC side that is making the RP unenjoyable for many.

 

This is why i mentioned the OOC side of things are making people leave. As far as I can tell, the OOC side is the reason most people are leaving at this point.

 

You have good points, and I agree that respect is a two way street. That is why I have stopped respecting WW because it is clear he does not respect anyone else unless they act like an angel in the first interaction they have, and he does not allow any sort of respect to form after that point.

 

You are right, and I am sorry. i was intending to avoid accusations of targeting specific people as it is against the rules but there are others in the imperial leadership that either are not rude, or I do not know of. But at the same time if i were to name names I do not think I would have the time or effort to name everyone who acts like this.

 

I personally (though I do not speak for anyone else) love the conflict side of RP, as well as fighting in RP weather it be characters arguing or just actual CRP battles. I also enjoy the story they are reaching for regardless of how they are acting OOCly or go about the narrative.

 

Once again I am sorry for combining the good ones with the bad ones. But I am not telling anyone to shame or shittalk anyone else, in fact I specifically told EVERYONE (looking at you Werewolf) to be kind and respond productively and my intention was to point out their behavior because it seems like half the player base is defending them without actually knowing what is going on from the perspective of the people who are actually trying to make the OOC side of the server better.

 

I'm not gonna actually respond to this because I've made my points on this in responses to other people, but I am adding you to my response because this is the kind of friendly debate that actually explains something about the other side without being full of insults or just completely repeating others opinion. good job for being the 1 out of the 12 total responses that understood most of my points and made an understandable counterpoint.

 

 

And finally a last response to anyone I missed, I'm sorry but you just made a meme response and didn't say anything meaningful enough to respond to.

 

I thought I told you to shut up earlier. Maybe you can't read?

[LoTC's Next Top Model 1626]

1 hour ago, Wolfy-D said:

You have good points, and I agree that respect is a two way street. That is why I have stopped respecting WW because it is clear he does not respect anyone else unless they act like an angel in the first interaction they have, and he does not allow any sort of respect to form after that point.

are you admitting that you were mean to him first, and are now upset that he has returned the same attitude back to you?

is your entire point literally just "it's fine when i do it, but he's a nation leader!"?

c'mon bro. these are NOT good optics.

[Frisket 4538]

LOOOOOLLLLL

 

Idk bro go back to playing your kha dude, this seriously is just ragebait and Rep farm. 
 

also, if we are to talk about leadership, maybe you should look upon your sides leadership and see how they’re acting before checking the other side. 

Beyond that see you in the next warclaim.

 

[Gaja 1311]

maybe if everyone quits werewolf will have to find a new server to hold hostage #boycott

[Chimeraof1999 1187]

Im leaning towards werew0lf's side on this.

 

Not to mention, you've gone into a mod chat to complain about this before but I don't know if it's the best idea to complain about it here.

 

First and foremost, Werew0lf is European and therefore, is unable to be nice. Werew0lf isn't a bad guy, but he often makes jokes or "ragebaits" people for no other reason than to derive a reaction out of them before they go and complain, that much you can criticize him about.

 

You CANNOT criticize werew0lf for how he conducts RP, as he is leading a nation full of people who actively schedule events and roleplay for said nation. The Empire actively carries the servers activity, which cannot be said for the Kharajyr's current abysmal activity or the Cerulian's constant critiques I go over.

 

This isn't me trying to make you out to be the bad guy, but this post is entirely USELESS to point out Werew0lf's larp.

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

everyone on this godless place is abrasive and then surprised when they get abrasive responses.

 

the cycle continues. ouroboros or something 

[Rig 17580]

3 hours ago, Wolfy-D said:

if you cant be mature and actually take part meaningfully without being rude, don't respond to this anymore and don't talk to me.

 

i would highly suggest you read this rule next time before you shitpost in here "6- Keep discussions on topic, and refrain from posting videos, memes or other content that may distract from the topic at hand" 

 

i understand where you are coming from here, but if he cannot respond without making rude remarks or acting like a child, or just ignore it which is as easy as not looking at that conversation, he is not fit to lead a nation that is 75% of the entire server.

 

I agree here about where you compliment him for his efforts to keep the IC good and active, but that effort should not allow him to act like this on an purely OOC level.

 

I agree, it would be way too long for the forums to handle. but this post is around Werewolf and other high ranking members treat everyone else's opinions like a joke which causes other people to think it is okay.

 

I agree, the dwarven leadership is probably one of the most immature groups on the server when it comes to the things they do in VCs. however the dwarves are a close group of friends who are friendly on an OOC level and almost never mean anything they say, and everyone else they are talking to know it. what makes the imperial leadership different is it becomes really hard to tell when they are joking or just straight up being rude, and they do it to everyone else, not just their friends.

 

I know, but if you were to look at this rules right here "Do not troll or bully other members of our community in-game, on the forums, or over Discord." he is actively admitting to breaking rules by agreeing he is trolling. so maybe you guys should reread the rules before you keep arguing your side.

 

I agree, I've enjoyed the way he is playing his character even though I've never interacted with the character and think he is doing that very well. but once again i have a problem with how he acts OOCly and that has nothing to do with RP he does.

 

you pointed out that 1 of my arguments had little actual proof, which i didn't have because i was angry at the time and wasn't thinking 100% clearly. but now here is some instances i can think of. 

One of the newest dwarves Dorin Starbreaker went with a mercenary company to Alba (i don't know the specifics but this is what I've been told) within minutes of a random guard speaking to him there were around 10 guards to showed up, called PVP, and killed them all with almost no RP.

my own personal experience from very late Aevos, i was on my orc just orcing around in the empire, with all the roleplay of "*draws sword and points it at the orc" followed by #looc PVP? and the 10 other guys there immediately agreeing and just like that I was told to /d20 because i didn't have any PVP gear and had no way of getting it. So 10 deaths later I eventually shelved the character because imperials couldn't give me the courtesy of having an okay death through CRP even after I told them i would PK if they did that.

And 1 third example of the empires actions effecting someone I know, which doesn't exactly follow the original point but is close enough. someone loosely knew cried when they heard the empire was reverting the tile back to its unbuilt land because they had builds there that held actual emotional value to them through the RP they've done.

 

No I wont leave, and if your only advice is to leave than it supports my point of the empire making people leave the server.

 

I do interact with it, I interact with it a lot. and once again my problem has nothing to do with the RP way things are being handled. My problem is the way things are being done on the OOC side that is making the RP unenjoyable for many.

 

This is why i mentioned the OOC side of things are making people leave. As far as I can tell, the OOC side is the reason most people are leaving at this point.

 

You have good points, and I agree that respect is a two way street. That is why I have stopped respecting WW because it is clear he does not respect anyone else unless they act like an angel in the first interaction they have, and he does not allow any sort of respect to form after that point.

 

You are right, and I am sorry. i was intending to avoid accusations of targeting specific people as it is against the rules but there are others in the imperial leadership that either are not rude, or I do not know of. But at the same time if i were to name names I do not think I would have the time or effort to name everyone who acts like this.

 

I personally (though I do not speak for anyone else) love the conflict side of RP, as well as fighting in RP weather it be characters arguing or just actual CRP battles. I also enjoy the story they are reaching for regardless of how they are acting OOCly or go about the narrative.

 

Once again I am sorry for combining the good ones with the bad ones. But I am not telling anyone to shame or shittalk anyone else, in fact I specifically told EVERYONE (looking at you Werewolf) to be kind and respond productively and my intention was to point out their behavior because it seems like half the player base is defending them without actually knowing what is going on from the perspective of the people who are actually trying to make the OOC side of the server better.

 

I'm not gonna actually respond to this because I've made my points on this in responses to other people, but I am adding you to my response because this is the kind of friendly debate that actually explains something about the other side without being full of insults or just completely repeating others opinion. good job for being the 1 out of the 12 total responses that understood most of my points and made an understandable counterpoint.

 

 

And finally a last response to anyone I missed, I'm sorry but you just made a meme response and didn't say anything meaningful enough to respond to.

"Don't respond to me!"

> Whining for 9 paragraphs.

 

Make a cup of tea and move on. If you can't handle this, you can't handle a job, can't handle a discussion at the bar, and can't handle talking to people in general. Someone thought your opinion was stupid. Move on.

 

Which, heads up, your opinion is stupid. But hey, that's just my opinion!

[Areon 947]

So let me get you to clarify something for me real quick.

 

You went to Werew0lf and told him that his in character actions were OOCly evil, ruining the server, and making people leave and you're mad he responded by laughing at you?

 

I can understand the sentiment of wanting nation leaders to behave a bit more professionally but in the end they are players, not staff. 

[Suzzie 866]

I think if people are driven off the server by Empire RP, they probably would have left at some other inconveniencing RP too.

And maybe that's for the better? If it bothers you that much on a fundamental level, it's okay to step back. 

[spaazmatism 1017]

im not going to sugarcoat it. ur being an ******* bro

 

u accuse people of acting in bad faith and intentionally trying to ruin the server with their actions and then throw a fit on a public forum when the people aren't being nice back to you. ur being rude and then throwing ur toys out of the pram when you receive the same treatment that you're giving out. it's weird. you're being weird. stop ?

[Fluffy Horror 496]

Hey, this is an actual child, maybe we can be nicer when explaining things to him or defending ourselves.

[Werew0lf 24180]

1 minute ago, Fluffy Horror said:

Hey, this is an actual child, maybe we can be nicer when explaining things to him or defending ourselves.

Oh ok.

[TaraJess 2848]

my first ever interaction with ww had me feeling the same way, I won't lie to you. I understand why you feel that way. I'm telling you though, the best way to deal with it is to genuinly just stop caring. the server is meant to be fun. when you keep your attention on roleplay and less on the ooc politicking and drama, your time is more enjoyed. not to mention, the guy is quite fun to roleplay with. My last encounter of him was utterly horrifying. It was so well written and I can't help but hold respect for people who are not afraid to go to such a level in roleplay. hope this helps a lil ^.^

also ive been told if you tell him to shut up back that might work? ive never tried it i dont think but idk. 

@Werew0lfshut up

[Suzzie 866]

15 minutes ago, Fluffy Horror said:

Hey, this is an actual child, maybe we can be nicer when explaining things to him or defending ourselves.

 

Most people here have given pretty standard responses- I don't think anyone besides maybe one or two (you know who I mean here) have given responses that are harsh or are rude.

 

Just because someone is a younger, does not bar them from criticism, though in general we should strive to be at least amicable and polite.

[Fluffy Horror 496]

1 minute ago, Suzzie said:

 

Most people here have given pretty standard responses- I don't think anyone besides maybe one or two (you know who I mean here) have given responses that are harsh or are rude.

 

Just because someone is a younger, does not bar them from criticism, though in general we should strive to be at least amicable and polite.

 

And to all the people giving reasonable rebukes, I salute you. But for those who are being rude, I'm here with the gentle reminder that this is an Actual Child we are talking to.