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Hooray!!!

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My parents were killed by orcs.

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I think we should let more pink tags in to get eaten.

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Can I apply as a mermaid 

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dang let myself get excited they would up the age minimum just a bit

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are you saying that you've added the metagaming and powergaming definitions right below asking what they are...?

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14 minutes ago, Smol said:

Additionally, we would like for applicants to include a reference to recent server lore & include a current realm in their backstory.

im not a huge fan of this change, personally. when i was joining, the sheer amount of info that could be found on the forums was both overwhelming and mildly confusing, since several pages were outdated. imo its best for people to have the Option to be part of an existing realm, rather than being required to be part of it.
plus some nations try and have requirements for joining them, and newly joining players might not be aware of this

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Rotata bananaz

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19 minutes ago, thejack said:

im not a huge fan of this change, personally. when i was joining, the sheer amount of info that could be found on the forums was both overwhelming and mildly confusing, since several pages were outdated. imo its best for people to have the Option to be part of an existing realm, rather than being required to be part of it.
plus some nations try and have requirements for joining them, and newly joining players might not be aware of this

 

It doesn't say you have to be part of a realm, just that you should mention it. E.g. my backstory on arcas mentioned aftermath of war of 2 emps stuff, and it was fun reading abt it on the wiki and forums, then when i joined i just pottered abt and did whatever.

 

I suppose the point is it nudges people towards basic understanding of current server conditions - CT must update wiki consistently accordingly and link to such information on the application page to point ppl in right direction, but I think its positive.

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happy to see the metagaming and powergaming questions changed, I've disliked those ones for years. I hope in the future there will be further consideration surrounding granting leniency to apps instead of denying them for things that are super harmless in nature, such as "your highlander can't be that tall" or "your wood elf can't have white hair" and instead focus on things that would either ruin the experience for themselves or others on a fundamental level, such as with the importance of metagaming or powergaming. I dislike the elitism mindset some people (not CT specifically) have about applicants and "literacy" standards people have towards applicants truthfully and I wish that leniency was reflected in the application process

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10 minutes ago, Borin said:

 

It doesn't say you have to be part of a realm, just that you should mention it. E.g. my backstory on arcas mentioned aftermath of war of 2 emps stuff, and it was fun reading abt it on the wiki and forums, then when i joined i just pottered abt and did whatever.

 

I suppose the point is it nudges people towards basic understanding of current server conditions - CT must update wiki consistently accordingly and link to such information on the application page to point ppl in right direction, but I think its positive.

i get this in a sense, but everything in its current state is very convoluted and hard to understand if you Are a new player that doesnt know the server. im talking about this in a call with some people right now, and theyve all agreed that navigating the forums was difficult before they truly played on the server.

 

plus the wording leaves room for confusion like this, since new players may find themselves thinking that they do have to be part of a nation

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1 hour ago, Smol said:

Additionally, we would like for applicants to include a reference to recent server lore & include a current realm in their backstory.

I think the current realm part is a bad idea. Haelun'or, in example, is a well-defined set of cultural practices and a server-spanning history that, in the last year or so, has been demoted from being a "realm". None of that information is available to a pinktag, except if they look under elven realms they'd see the silver enclave of Haelun'or - except Haelun'or was also a title won in conquest by Aelwen, who settled on the ruins of Haelun'or, and neither are actually "realms" but both can be found under the elven realms category. 

 

Asking pinktags to comprehend and clearly write in their own words the diabolically untrustworthy LoTC forums & wiki as the basis for their acceptance or denial (when most of the server doesn't really use the forums as a basis for group definition anyway) feels like its just going to cause problems. Equally, how is anyone who wants to join supposed to know what is, and isn't a realm? Will CT deny applications that refer to places that aren't strictly "realms"? We really do not need to prop up this deranged realm system up any further

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2 minutes ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

I think the current realm part is a bad idea. Haelun'or, in example, is a well-defined set of cultural practices and a server-spanning history that, in the last year or so, has been demoted from being a "realm". None of that information is available to a pinktag, except if they look under elven realms they'd see the silver enclave of Haelun'or - except Haelun'or was also a title won in conquest by Aelwen, who settled on the ruins of Haelun'or, and neither are actually "realms" but both can be found under the elven realms category. 

 

Asking pinktags to comprehend and clearly write in their own words the diabolically untrustworthy LoTC forums & wiki as the basis for their acceptance or denial (when most of the server doesn't really use the forums as a basis for group definition anyway) feels like its just going to cause problems. Equally, how is anyone who wants to join supposed to know what is, and isn't a realm? Will CT deny applications that refer to places that aren't strictly "realms"? We really do not need to prop up this deranged realm system up any further

 

I share this opinion. The truth is that the state of the wiki is really unwieldy. Additionally, the forums are disorganized, and don't always totally reflect accurately what realms exist. I'm fine with mandating a "place in [lore]", and that can include modern locations. Beyond that, I believe that the application should revolve more around lore standards (i.e., no features that break lore, like a kitsune tail or something). Backstory itself by comparison is whatever.

My first character in 2012 was an elf named Talis from Malinor. His backstory is not memorable, I don't really even think it came up often because I was too busy getting murdered by White Rose or Flays. All of the learning about RP happens on the server. The application itself is a barrier to entry which should ensure people know the following:
 

- Techlock Standards
- CRP Rules
- Build rules
- What staff team does what

For instance:

How many blocks can you move in a CRP while attacking?
4
What does Story Team do?
Act in events and write lore

 

What application must you make to learn Alchemy?

Feat Application in the Magic Applications subforum

 

In my opinion it should be less about cosmetics and RP proficiency, but rather about the systems that exist on our server itself. RP will sort itself out when they play!

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1 hour ago, Unwillingly said:

happy to see the metagaming and powergaming questions changed, I've disliked those ones for years. I hope in the future there will be further consideration surrounding granting leniency to apps instead of denying them for things that are super harmless in nature, such as "your highlander can't be that tall" or "your wood elf can't have white hair" and instead focus on things that would either ruin the experience for themselves or others on a fundamental level, such as with the importance of metagaming or powergaming. I dislike the elitism mindset some people (not CT specifically) have about applicants and "literacy" standards people have towards applicants truthfully and I wish that leniency was reflected in the application process

 

Heyo! Issues such as being too tall or having white hair are reasons to be put on pending, but people aren't denied for these reasons alone. If an applicant doesn't fix the issues within 48 hours, then they are denied though thats after the applicant is either given a dm on discord or the forums. The only reasons people get instantly denied are if they're under the age of 13, the rules are not read, if the application is written in a different language or if the application includes inappropriate content, and so on. 

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