OCC Orcish Intellect.

[Aerinyes 402]

OOC-

First I'd like to make it clear that I understand that when most orcs speak, they are speaking in 'blah' the orcish language. But it is not the manner in which they speak that throws me off, its their reactions and how they take to certain issues. Its not as if they are stubborn, but as if they just don't know any better (when confronted some even apologize for 'not knowing better', or the -nicer- ones do).

Now when I read the lore it never stated anywhere that they had lost their intelligence from the curse of Iblees, or that they were at any point in time less intelligent then say a human.

It just seems the majority of orcs that I've encountered are dimwitted brutes, not cunning warriors. Now admittedly I've not been to Krugmar with my character so I haven't seen every orc yet.

Am I wrong to assume that orcs are supposed to be as intelligent as say the Orcs in Warcraft or even the Klingons in Star Trek? Or are they dullwitted as the ones in Everquest and Warhammer?

I'm not making any suggestion on how to RP characters, I'm just trying to learn what the race is actually about. And wondering if I looked at them from the wrong angle or not.

[craotor 617]

Ooc

Well we orcs follow the theory that the bigger you are the dummer you are.and this is why goblins are so smart.Cause they are litle and a goblin is smarter Then the averege human.And most orcs arent actualy stupid,we sometimes seem stupid because of our attitudes or our speach.

For example when a group of 5 guards come and say come with us ir youll die.A human would either come with them or try to run,thinking that this is the best option.But An. Orc would feel insulted by that threat and Then charge at Them and try to kill as Many as he can((know this by expirience humans tried to do this with me.I charge and killed em all.They where suprisse that i would atack em))For Many people this would seem stupid cause the orc probably is gona die.But the orc sees this as a fun fight and that if he dies he died in batle.

And on the military side we orcs have got One of the best and most organised army.This is because the soldiers follow their superiors orders by the letter.They know that he is a superior because he desserves it.While a human army would just horde Many people and charge wildlly.The orcs will form ranks.Form a line and Then charge in formations when the Comander says charge.

Edit:And i personaly think of us as warcraft orcs

[Bawg 494]

OOC:

Like people in reality, we are all different... Though, most orcs try to stay dumb, and dimwitted... While the Goblins are the smart ones...

In our Roleplay, we have rule... The bigger you are the dumber you are... The way we act towards others is really due to past experiences, such as my charecter Bog, he was a nice orc, but due to being bullied by many... He is hateful to others..

The orcs that speak like a human, are okay... The only word they require to say is Ug... So orcs can speak human, but I generally try to make it hard on everyone else, by not speaking multiple languages, except my native tongue...

The lore on the Wiki has not been updated... Ever since Mogroka became our Warlord, we had many changes and just decided to make the lore ourselves. In my opinion, it is better than we have our own language, it makes us unique to other races. Though some people don't get the idea, that orcs will kill you if you insult them.

[Sultan 3953]

No Orcs are actually normal, some are smart some are dumb. mostly they are smart.

Its up to the situation. tell us some examples were you saw them as dumb in your eyes. but it would be explained differently by us.

[DecoLamb 959]

It's more a case of culture than actual intelligence. Like in the example Craotor gave, an orc would charge in and fight when he is threatened, while this is seen as stupid by any other race, it is the normal thing to do with the orc race.

Orc culture is about honor and strength, but not PURE brutality. It's a good thing, to be brutal, but a good orc does know when to hold back a little. And it's written that they are very kind and sweet behind closed doors with family. If you read some of the stories you can see the affection they have for their families and their fellow orcs, the tale of Dom is a wonderful example, where one Krug's sons, I think it was Gorkil, holds his newborn sister.

They honestly have many sweet moments, even when they are being brutal. A good example of this is when Urara gave her mate Gragarn a tattoo. It's something painful that they shared, and they often beat each other in the arena and many other things. Why? Because dueling is seen as a sign of respect with orcs.

It's usually very subtle, but there is a lot of love within the orcs. They just don't show it outside. And just like with their affections, their intellect is very subtle.

[Aerinyes 402]

I do want to make it clear that I don't associate stubborness or brutality with stupidity. Craotor's example is about what I expect from orcs. Might makes right, strength gains respect and all that. Though might doesn't always mean physical strength, a good example is when Ogrimm Doomhammer in the Warcraft universe succeeded Blackhand. Blackhand was the stronger fighter, but Doomhammer was more cunning.

I guess what spoils it for me is the big oafs that you see around Oren and Malinor. The dimwits that no matter how much you try to instruct them (all ICly of course), they just don't seem to get what you are saying, even when you speak orcish to them. Good to see they aren't the norm in Krugmar.

And by the way.. where are all the goblins at? Are you all hiding them? :angry:

[craotor 617]

You are still not worthy for the gobos!!!

[RossssM 61]

[[To be quite honest, the general opinion that I had was that most Orcs were a bit stupid. Apart from a few like Mogroka and the leaders and things. Im not sure but I think this is the general view of most people. Maybe I dont represent that view but I certainly know people that would agree. Not that the Orcs were lore-bound to be stupid I just think its sometimes the sort of character that is portraid by the players..]]

[Jon Evaglno 202]

((The orcs are really quick to do knee-jerk reactions WITHOUT thinking, based on my experience. For example: I was unconcious, and they put me in the arena! I somehow survived, but they just threw me in there even though I couldn't fight even if I wanted to. The only reason I survived was because I offered to build them weapons. When I explained the weapons, they just replied with "dat dom." The orcs don't seem the most intelligent race because of their strange or illogical reactions to situations.))

[Ned Lud 1260]

Some orcs are smart, some are stupid. I believe most are wise rather than intelligent, with a sort've working-class common sense.

Lud believes that it is advantageous for the enemy to think he is merely a dumbass brute.

What some may see as a strange or illogical reaction to situations, knee-jerk, without thinking, we see as a reaction that has been well thought out over a lifetime, over generations, instinctive, pounded into the heads of our cubs. If a bandit attempts to rob you, you fight him. If someone insults your honor, you fight them. If there is an army of ten-thousand immortals armed to the teeth, pounding on your gate and all you have is your bare hands, you fight them. If there is a threat on your land, you remove it. When the Warlord gives an order, you follow it. The wise orc does not need to think when it is time to act. He simply acts, because he has already done the thinking. He maintains a constant awareness of his strength and honor and is prepared to die at a moment's notice.

[James Undercroft 129]

Just like human society out side of Lord of the Craft, intelligence is a bell curve. It starts off with an extremely small number with the mentally handicapped and the extremely stupid people (not meant to be derogitory) and then as you get to the more average intelligence it rises until it peaks at the average intelligence then begins to drop again as you go into the smart people and the genius's.

I believe that is similar to what you will find in the orc nation, but quite a few people assume that because of the percieved recklessness of the orcs and their speaking mannersisms that the orcs are stupid. This is not the case, it is merely their culture and how they are raised.

I believe my character Zolgash is a prime example of this; when he lost his memory (and I mean everything, talking walking the lot) and was rescued by elves and taught the ways of their people he became a much more lateral in his thinking. Also his speach was that of an extremely intelligent person. In his history which I am in the process of writing he acted much like you would see the majority of orcs act, but once he is taken out of that society and brought up in a different society with a lot more focus on peace and harmony you see a very different result.

[UltraRed 78]

((I think the prevailing opinion is that Orc brains and Human brains are basically the same, but personalities, values, and speech patterns depend on the culture the character is raised in.))

[Noahjam325 53]

Most orcs are really smart, but choose not to express it to other races. Gragarn can absolutely speak normal, and think things through; if you earn his respect. He usually doesn't see the other races as worthy of seeing his "true intellect" as it were. This is how it goes with most orcs. It's also a good tactic. It convinces the other races we're just a bunch of idiots, but once it comes to the battlefield they happily prove their enemies wrong. Generally, most orcs won't "act smart" to other races because they have no respect for them. Why waste the effort on "some stupid pinkie?"

[Taiga 764]

(( Mainly depends on their bio and race. If a goblin or Shaman, they generally talk a bit broken, but can also talk whitewash. ))

[Vert 0]

It isn't that they're dumb, it's just that their culture basically teaches them "orcs are big and strong and everyone else can go cry themselves to death because they are not big and strong", and that's the attitude orcs have around other species.

If orcs weren't paying attention to your instructions it probably isn't because they weren't smart enough, but because they didn't care.

As for orcs seeming unintelligent just through what they actually know, it's because orcs aren't raised to read and write and be good at maths like humans, elves and dwarves are. They're raised to fight. Ask an orc 2 + 2 and it's a crapshoot if you'll get a proper answer, but ask him to kill a dangerous human with just a pointy stick, he will probably know exactly how to do it before you're even finished with the request.

Of course... it's easier to see orcs as smart when my own is deliberately clueless.