Mori Versus Mali'aheral

[Yuln 265]

I think we should focus ICly on building new walls and defenses against the Mori, rather than complain OOCly.

I thought you prefered "Technological innovations"

[Enyahs V. 173]

Remember the title of the PM.

I'm with the Mori quite often. I have seen very, very bad RP, which used in my ban report. There is some Mori's which isn't very good RPers...BUT, most of then are great RPers. I also got a lot of screenshots of high quality Mori trolling.

I don't want this to become a Mori hate thread.

I love Mori RPing and I have nothing against them OOCly.

You try living in a hole and only coming out half of the day and not have OOC fun. I and Arzar were quite bored if these sreen shots are the rp I think you are talking about.

As far as the OOC war between us. It needs to end.

Oh and ps...Vallei'Yuln...YOU STOLE MY NAME :'(

[Yuln 265]

Oh and ps...Vallei'Yuln...YOU STOLE MY NAME :'(

F*** you((<---If I need to remove this just tell me)), I had this name before you, BTW even if I had stolen it, I didnt, Vallel'Yuln means Blue gem, while Vallei'Vuln means Waterfox.

[JoakimVonAnka 63]

You try living in a hole and only coming out half of the day and not have OOC fun. I and Arzar were quite bored if these sreen shots are the rp I think you are talking about.

As far as the OOC war between us. It needs to end.

Oh and ps...Vallei'Yuln...YOU STOLE MY NAME :'(

I don't really understand what you mean with "living in a hole". I can tell you that I have a lot of fun OOCly on the OOC chat and via /tells. I personally have no real big problems with using OOC in RP, but it was a little too much... As I posted earlier, I don't want this to became a OOC hate thread.

I will refrain myself from posting anything more here, but if you got any questions I will answer them.

[Dio Astóre 69]

Alas, the fundemental problem would seem to me to be that when seperate parties have different expectations of a given roleplay situation that involves conflict or adversity for whomever is involved, both the maturity and the players' ability to seperate themselves from their characters is tested. 'Tis a rather philosophical issue really: the character is a collective of fragments born from the person's imagination, and is by extension a part of them as well; judging from two perspectives simultaneously, for both the sake of authenticity of personality as well as mutual accomodation, becomes quite challenging at times.

So long as players communicate with one another in a productive and friendly manner I am sure there can be less disputes; one need only remember that at the core of all actions here, we all are simply attempting to have fun in a world we create together. One of the things I should enjoy seeing is some more dialogue between those that represent the various demographics in LotC. When regarding larger events - especially those that involve conflict - leaders should be able to speak with each-other in an open manner without fear of irresponsibility; wars I feel have suffered in part due what would seem a lack of trust.

As for the founding lore that justified what distinguishes High Elves, the role the pools of water will play is still subject to deliberation intentionally and as it stands now was only to assume a supportive role in their roleplay by serving as a symbolic milestone in the indoctrination process. Whilst the effects written contain esoteric elements which applied to the ancestors of the High Elves, the more pronounced alterations took place within a time frame that can only apply in a historical lore sense. Rapid loss of pigmentation in hair or skin is the only change that can take place in-game. Details we can review together if it is desired.

[Respiren 524]

So what do you think we can do to make RP between these groups more fun and enjoyable, with less trouble arising in the OOC section?

^.^

[Sporadic 2844]

From where I'm standing there might be some underlying tensions and resounding past clashes here, but I think if we sit down, leave our pasts at the door and pledge to avoid words like 'nepotism' and 'fruitface' we can come to some kind of mutual understanding.

[VonAulus 2082]

A. This is news to me, so whether an melodramatic or exaggeration. The phrase "Mountain out of a molehill" coming to mind.

B. Any complaints about the mori players or playerbase, or my own leadership should be reported to me personally. If they aren't, that isn't my problem that I am "ignoring or dismissing it". If you have problems, PM me, contact me in game, or equally through TS - I am always about.

And last but not least,

C. This thread has sized up to be a mori'quessir hate thread. Passive aggressive, or coy pokes and prods at the goings on are noticeable, and aren't really productive. Every race, every roleplay has its good rpers and likewise bad, every race and roleplay also has its share of dramatics, problems and complaints. Positive encouragement or useful critisim, even opinions and advice are easily more helpful than simply pointing, nit-picking and clinging to negative remarks - simply put, help people be better by being helpful, not hateful.

Just a little food for thought.

I was not calling for really anyone to do all of this. I wanted the High elves and mori to stop all this. You are kinding of being hipocritical. With your clever little insult about Brett and about our GM APPROVED lore. Our little pools do not really effect you at all, but the pumpkins effect everyone... just as an example.

[VonAulus 2082]

From where I'm standing there might be some underlying tensions and resounding past clashes here, but I think if we sit down, leave our pasts at the door and pledge to avoid words like 'nepotism' and 'fruitface' we can come to some kind of mutual understanding.

I can not tell Octavius to not say fruitface ig... Would be meta...;P

[Whitebeard 126]

Please be sure to remember to stay on topic and avoid insulting other players. The thread is directed at the OOC tension between both the Mori and the High Elves. Can we please be mature enough to act like adults?

I direct this at both the High Elves and the Mori members. If this continues I will lock this thread.

[Talias 177]

The problem I see is actilly just that we hate outsiders IC and also a bit OOC becuase they always come for the same to kill us or atleast cause trouble and I know it's RP and all but it just gets old when they come back over and over again to tell us we dislike people. I remember back when our walls were even worse then they are now and there wasn't as many people in Haelun'or. at times I was atacked by villians twice a day that killed us for being racists and I know that wasn't mori but it is now. Now all the villians that come to our city are (mostly) mori and yes it's fun the first 3 or 4 times but the 16. time you come yelling at our gates and taking our people it's just not fun anymore. Conflict is fun yes when it varies not when it's the smae and the same over and over again so maybe we should sit down OOC maybe in this topic and find new ways of conflict between us or maybe even team up and be ICly mean to someone else

[Aerinyes 402]

I don't understand the desire of players to constantly raid and raid a city/town. Like a few high elves have stated, its fun for the first couple of times, but it gets old after a while.

What I told some of the players under me was "Make the surfacers squirm a bit, make them fear you. But don't ruin the player's day and don't be a nuisance." These players to my knowledge have only had one encounter with the High Elves and both sides had fun.

The other thing to keep in mind is Mogroka's stance on raiding after he took over the rulings on warclaims:

( small raids are unofficial, and frowned upon by the monks this is not to be abused I well ban anyone that dose abuse it.)

So if a Mori player or any villain for that matter is raiding daily without a warclaim, strike report them. Hit F2 twice in a row, the second will get the timestamp of the first. Get three or more days in a row of the person doing a hostile raid action and you'll have all the evidence you need. Won't need to go through a 'race's GM' to get a resolution, the Admins and GMs that deal with this sort of thing daily will clean it up.

And I say strike report because its obvious you all don't want to see them banned. Heck seeing their name pop up on a strike report even if they don't get a strike might just be enough to grab their attention.

For the most part Mori players are just looking for RP. So it isn't all of them that are doing this. Most don't even leave the caves at all. The other issue might be that they aren't coordinating the attacks. If one or two Mori attack on Monday, another few on Tuesday, and even a third set on Wednesday then it will look like a constant everyday thing, but they might not know it themselves.

Though what causes an issue there is when you capture them. Then the entire nest gets stirred up. And this I've never understood why. Even a house really wouldn't help a member. Ok an heir gets caught, that means the next in line has a rival out of the way. But thats not actually how it works, catch something as small as a servant and 3 houses band together and jump down your throat. The OOC loyalty is blinding the actual IC disloyalty that probably should be more prevalent.

[JoakimVonAnka 63]

I don't understand the desire of players to constantly raid and raid a city/town. Like a few high elves have stated, its fun for the first couple of times, but it gets old after a while.

What I told some of the players under me was "Make the surfacers squirm a bit, make them fear you. But don't ruin the player's day and don't be a nuisance." These players to my knowledge have only had one encounter with the High Elves and both sides had fun.

The other thing to keep in mind is Mogroka's stance on raiding after he took over the rulings on warclaims:

So if a Mori player or any villain for that matter is raiding daily without a warclaim, strike report them. Hit F2 twice in a row, the second will get the timestamp of the first. Get three or more days in a row of the person doing a hostile raid action and you'll have all the evidence you need. Won't need to go through a 'race's GM' to get a resolution, the Admins and GMs that deal with this sort of thing daily will clean it up.

And I say strike report because its obvious you all don't want to see them banned. Heck seeing their name pop up on a strike report even if they don't get a strike might just be enough to grab their attention.

For the most part Mori players are just looking for RP. So it isn't all of them that are doing this. Most don't even leave the caves at all. The other issue might be that they aren't coordinating the attacks. If one or two Mori attack on Monday, another few on Tuesday, and even a third set on Wednesday then it will look like a constant everyday thing, but they might not know it themselves.

Though what causes an issue there is when you capture them. Then the entire nest gets stirred up. And this I've never understood why. Even a house really wouldn't help a member. Ok an heir gets caught, that means the next in line has a rival out of the way. But thats not actually how it works, catch something as small as a servant and 3 houses band together and jump down your throat. The OOC loyalty is blinding the actual IC disloyalty that probably should be more prevalent.

I agree with almost everything. The thing about strike reports however, is a bit unnecessary. I believe we should talk about all conflicts over with a forum PM or maybe TS. I believe that would not only solve everything in a good way, it would partially stop the OOC war.

If I look at the situation where I posted a ban report, I really think it would have been better if I PMd the ones I was upset with and try to solve it at that stage. If we wouldn't had come to a conclusion I would think about carry on with the ban report.

[Mithradites 1168]

Perhaps the animosity is due to over-exposure? Maybe Mori and High Elf players should actively avoid each other for a week or two, then come back with fresh faces and clear heads.

[Aryon 679]

Small suggestion; Why don't the Mori just do a FULL attempt to wipe out the High Elf city? Then the High Elves would need to relocate, and it would solve a few problems. Just a small idea, and I swear, is someone flames me...