Concerning Trolling And A Certain Petition

[Lago 2572]

The original draft of that post had chunks of the VA rules quoted in it, I took it out when I edited the post down. But if this is truly necessary:

Hide tags are on here because of the huge amounts of quoted text.

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3. Any GM has the right to revoke your villain app, as well as a VAT member who has received the approval of a GM.

Section #4. Revoking

1. Revokes are handled slightly like ban reports, given time you can appeal for a chance to get your VA back. We will pm you when the time is appropriate for you to appeal, and with what we seek as your terms.

2. Please keep in mind we need your help with revokes. See someone powergame, break their VA contract, take a screen shot and PM it into a VAT member. Without screenshots we can not do anything as it is all hearsay.

3.Revokes are brought up in the VAT chat and you remain anonymous. We need your aid to make the necessary steps to revoke someone.

That's it. In the entire VA rules, that's it. Note the part in bold is the only part where reasons for revokation are stated, those being powergaming and breaking the VA contract, which is this:

1. As mentioned before, your actions should never stray to far from the general characteristics that you described in your application.

1a. If an event happens in RP that will require you to change your character drastically (petty thief to Psychopath) we will have a separate “mini-application” for you to fill out in order to continue on your journey.

2. Being a Villain does not give you permission to have lacking roleplay when committing crimes. Any kills where you do not roleplay sufficiently, do not give time for the foe to respond, or abuse mechanics in any way, there will be consequences.

*Note: This is subjective, and it is the right of the GM to determine. One liners before attacking will rarely be counted as adequate RP.

3. Villain applications do not allow players to cause other players to do villainous acts. If you wish to use evil #4 properly, make sure the person you are tempting to evil has a villain application. If they do not, YOU, the application writer, may be held responsible.

*Note: With GM approval, a player may conduct other players into doing villainous acts for a limited amount of time.

4. Villains must make it clear that they are not truly a guard or other commonly named position if trying to falsify an identity. If attempting to falsify an identity and take up a mock 'position' of importance or value (such as a guard), it must be made clear that your name cannot simply be changed to perfectly emulate the role such as 'Guard_Jeff' and instead should be achieving the deception through RP and not simply a /setname change.

These being the villain rules. Don't act outside of the character defined in the VA, roleplay all villianous acts fully and correctly, et cetera. There is nothing about OOC in here that I can see.

And if it's buried in a topic somewhere, you can't expect it to be found.

[Lym 849]

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/52620-revoke-terms-and-conditions/

It's not buried, it's pinned in the Revoke Part Section of the VA forum part. It explains revoking fairly good and if you have any questions left which are not covered in any of the topics, you can message a VAT member at any time. We don't bite, promised.

[Lago 2572]

Still nothing about OOC in there. In fact, it seems to reinforce my statement that VA revokations are for poor IC and nothing else, not for OOC actions, which come under the remit of bans.

EDIT: Alas, we seem to have strayed a little too close to the off topic line for comfort. I maintain my stance that any enforced server rules should be as free of ambiguity and subjectivity as possible.

[Cyndikate 2303]

I still see nothing regarding OOC, or anything occuring outside the game.

[Solaba 144]

Thank you for clarifying the problem with the VA's.

However, theres one more thing that should be adressed.

My ban appeal was accepted, and i was to be unbanned three days ago by Respiren, however, talkign to him over TS he says "Maybe not, you glitched the skill system", i feel as if this is a rushed reason to keep me banned, please correct me, and please check my skills so you can see its all BS. When i saw him write that to me, i was utter shock and awe, i seriously thought it was a joke.

Secondly, i haven't been on the game in WEEKS almost a month, how would i even get on to do the skill glitch? Im just frustrated.

/seen helps a lot

[Watyll 1104]

Cut out the fat. Let's get our community into shape.

[Jexdane 213]

The only reason I got remotely involved in this is because of various comments Respiren made about the dark brotherhood in the google document chat, which, if you look at the much more mature second document, can be read at the bottom. Unprovoked, he called us Skype trolls and metagamers, and continued to belittle and insult us, which is ridiculous, because we did nothing to deserve such bashing.

Personally, I don't care that Bannana got his VA revoked. Sure, he was a friend of mine, but he was regularly immature, and I'm not the only DB member who thinks it was a good idea we kicked him out.

On another note, I really do recommend that you read the newer google doc Robin, even if just to read the chat logs at the bottom (which, for the sake of your sanity, was cut down to when Respiren joined as Anonymous 106, and then ended when he left).

It really does hurt when you're getting bashed by a GM solely because he is making inaccurate accusations of your guild, your friends.

[Cyndikate 2303]

I agree with Jexdane. This is exactly why I'm not happy with Respiren right now. If anything he needs not a revoke of his GM powers, but serious talking to about his condescending behavior.

I do not appreciate that we are being bashed when no one did anything to deserve this. Those statements had no basis, or evidence, and it was clearly an unprovoked claim towards the whole group, which I find unfair.

[BannanaToYou 196]

All the lies..

- I was not kicked from the Dark Brotherhood, I left because I thought they were dragging me down. Every day nothing happened. I left for my own reasons.

- I am being called a supreme troll, and that my VA has been revoked because of this 'major trolling'. I really want to have the proof of where Respiren believes I was screaming my head of in the TS Chat. If I didn't even go on TS, I wouldn't even of had my VA revoked, and I believe I'm black listed, yet again? Because you say you weren't told.

I sent you Robin, the appeal where you told me to go to Urasept, so I did and he made his decision. If you were in my place, you'd be really pissed off now as being permantely TS banned and my VA revoked, even though there's no proof to show I did any kind of trolling other than joining the channel.

[Robin Drake 731]

This was said in the newer google document, which Robin has failed to include in this. Not sure if he's even read it or not, as the topic was deleted.

Some of us brought up the the robbery example, where someone said ((I don't approve of this happening.)) And we can't do it.

But apparently we have to get consent.

So you are saying I made this whole post which all revolves around this incident, and I have not read the google doc? Of course I read it, I was the one who told them to make it in the first place.

As for all this talk about consent, just abide by the VA rules, I never mentioned consent in my post so I am not sure where that came out of.

It really does hurt when you're getting bashed by a GM solely because he is making inaccurate accusations of your guild, your friends

One of the reasons he referred to your guild as metagamers, was because he witnessed your planning for a raid which was all done over teamspeak. Now, I am not sure if you are fully aware but TS is not used for rp therefore your planning was ooc and then applied ingame. Banning some of the flays may actually help them become better rpers because teamspeak in general is a distraction and makes it easy to metagame by talking to each other rather than discussing it in game.

[BannanaToYou 196]

Can I stop being named as Flay. And where the consent thing happened. Is where months ago Respiren burned down a house which me and Raptor wanted to do, we burned 3 people alive in there with the house which were all tied up. Apparently we needed consent and that was one of the reasons the VA was revoked. Unfair.

[Cyndikate 2303]

So you are saying I made this whole post which all revolves around this incident, and I have not read the google doc? Of course I read it, I was the one who told them to make it in the first place.

As for all this talk about consent, just abide by the VA rules, I never mentioned consent in my post so I am not sure where that came out of.

One of the reasons he referred to your guild as metagamers, was because he witnessed your planning for a raid which was all done over teamspeak. Now, I am not sure if you are fully aware but TS is not used for rp therefore your planning was ooc and then applied ingame. Banning some of the flays may actually help them become better rpers because teamspeak in general is a distraction and makes it easy to metagame by talking to each other rather than discussing it in game.

Explain to me again why we have teamspeak?

[Song Druid 1486]

- I am being called a supreme troll, and that my VA has been revoked because of this 'major trolling'. I really want to have the proof of where Respiren believes I was screaming my head of in the TS Chat. If I didn't even go on TS, I wouldn't even of had my VA revoked, and I believe I'm black listed, yet again? Because you say you weren't told.

Incorrect. Your VA was revoked for this:

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/55702-ban-report-on-bannanatoyou

And was not supposed to be reinstated. Your second revoke was correcting the VAT member who took it upon themselves to overturn an indefinite blacklisting/revoke set by an Admin Your VA was going to be revoked once more regardless, so do not delude yourself into thinking it is anything other than it is; you lost your privileges to RP as a villain and only Robin or other GMs can give that back..

Explain to me again why we have teamspeak?

So that members can mingle and discuss LotC, and neccessary OOC issues, as well as allow the staff an easy way to answer players, etc.

It isn't for people to not RP and just OOCly plan everything.

[BannanaToYou 196]

That was before, now stop rubbing in my face like you always seem to do.

EDIT: And you just said Robin of other GM's can give it back. Urasept head of VAT and GM gave it back.

[AllenTheGreat 286]

Incorrect. Your VA was revoked for this:

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/55702-ban-report-on-bannanatoyou

And was not supposed to be reinstated. Your second revoke was correcting the VAT member who took it upon themselves to overturn an indefinite blacklisting/revoke set by an Admin Your VA was going to be revoked once more regardless, so do not delude yourself into thinking it is anything other than it is; you lost your privileges to RP as a villain and only Robin or other GMs can give that back..

You seem to not have all the facts concerning the situation.

I still see nothing regarding OOC, or anything occuring outside the game.

Villains are also required to abide by the Server and Forum rules, which prohibits the disrespect of members and staff, mindless spamming, Racism, griefing, OOC Lying, etc.