Concerning Trolling And A Certain Petition

[AllenTheGreat 286]

My question concerning the VAs. If VAs are to be given to good roleplayers, explain to me how this has anything to do with the trolling incident, which was purely OOC.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm trying to make sense of this here.

Had no clue you can get a revoke for OOC reasons.

Those with an accepted VA are expected to be mature OOCly, provide excellent roleplay, and abide by the rules and lore. If a person fails to adhere to this persona, then they are liable to have their VA Revoked, and in extreme cases, blacklisted.

In this case, the 'blacklist' (essentially a Perma-Ban from being a villain) was lifted without informing the person who did the blacklist, which in the similar way to Bans, the person who blacklisted should be informed or be the one to remove the said-blacklist, and this was a problem from lack of communication.

To the other people:

With the, err, incident from today, I wasn't apart of that and only have a vague clue of what happened, so I won't comment concerning it.

But today, in skype conversations, teamspeak, and other means, I have seen people disrespecting GMs, saying they know better then GMs, etc. Yes, you may not always agree with how they do things, or wish they were doing it a different way, but as I learned (pretty harshly), you have to trust that what they are doing is for the betterment of the server, and if you honestly think they're not, then contact one of the Admins explaining it. Very rarely does a public forum post about such things actually help to provide a logical discussion, and just fuels the fire.

[Praetor 1550]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm trying to make sense of this here.

Had no clue you can get a revoke for OOC reasons.

Oh, okay then. Sorry 'bout that missunderstood you.

EDIT: Not saying you are Bannana, merely amplifying the troll example, for my example.

[Briamoth 41]

Great post, Robin. Glad you were able to clear things up for people. Hopefully, this is all to the betterment of the server and forums.

[Drelik 865]

Thank you for clarifying the problem with the VA's.

However, theres one more thing that should be adressed.

My ban appeal was accepted, and i was to be unbanned three days ago by Respiren, however, talkign to him over TS he says "Maybe not, you glitched the skill system", i feel as if this is a rushed reason to keep me banned, please correct me, and please check my skills so you can see its all BS. When i saw him write that to me, i was utter shock and awe, i seriously thought it was a joke.

Secondly, i haven't been on the game in WEEKS almost a month, how would i even get on to do the skill glitch? Im just frustrated.

[gabriel101x1 463]

Thank you for clearing things up Robin. I just want to say guys that you should TRUST the GMs, they are hand picked for their maturity and dedication to this server. If on the rare occasion that you TRULY, I mean TRULY believe that a GM has done something wrong, or has been biased in their decisions, then send a nice PM to one of the admins, instead of just raging on the server, skype and TS.

[CTap 111]

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[Robin Drake 731]

My question concerning the VAs. If VAs are to be given to good roleplayers, explain to me how this has anything to do with the trolling incident, which was purely OOC.

I think the community answered your question pretty well, basically you can have your Va removed for ooc reasons if you behave immaturly, trolling in posts or with applications, raging, flaming or causing ooc conflict with players

So I have a couple questions about this post, just wanted to get them cleaned up.

-Will smaller trolling incidents be cumulative, and act sort of like the strike report system or be a part of the strike report system? Will there eventually be that tipping point leading to a perma-ban? Or will every incident beforehand not count as evidence for a ban of any sort?

Trolling on the forums is usually dealt with by a Fm currently, mostly by adding points to your warning level. Minor offenses will have less consequences than large offenses, though think from this point of view when asking if it is cumulative; If a player trolls and is warned about his conduct, then trolls again, without it being cumulative it would just continue without them learning from their mistakes. It will likely be integrated as part of the strike system. Concerning permaban, yes it is possible that a player can be permabanned for trolling. Incidents before this post (other than the TS debacle) will be met with a warning and directed to this post so that they are sure they know where they stand for future reference.

-If the trolling incidents are counted as evidence, will trolling incidents before the date of this post be counted? Or will they be void?

Depends on the situation, as I said "case by case" basis. If a player has evidence of past trolling which is still ongoing, then it can be used as evidence to support your newer evidence (collected after today)

-Will trolling incidents be automatically semi perma-ban and possible unban via appeal? Or will a straight out time-limit be given on things such as teamspeak?

AS I have said, it will be judged case by case due to the broad spectrum of things that class as trolling, it can range from verbal warning, to a strike to a permban depending on the situation

-Will trolling within a party be acceptable if everybody within such party is fine with it? Or will it be dependent on where you are ,such as inside a locked teamspeak channel, or trolling eachother in the middle of Arethor IG? Or will it just not be acceptable in general?

Trolling around with a few friends is fine, as long as it is contained and doesn't spill out into other channels on ts, however, I dont want to see channels dedicated solely for trolling, as this would be counter intuitive to what we are aiming for. In game you shouldn't troll, jumping about punching random people in Arethor can be considered trolling, as well as you are breaking players immersion in the roleplay.

-How will blackmail be tolerated via holding up a person hostage with trolling evidence? Will blackmailing be frowned upon? Or would it be encouraged to just come out with any trolling evidence whether you are blackmailing a person or not?

This is a tough one, as someone could blackmail another with an image of them trolling telling them to stop or you will report them, or they could be asking for ingame items. It varies with the different situations, though I do not personally like the idea of blackmailing players, and if it is found that players are doing this to aquire minas or other ingame items, there will be consequences.

Anyways, just some of the questions I was thinking of.

Ah, you know what, not even worth it.

Depending on the Gm or FM this could be seen as a form of trolling, as it is trying to cause a negative reaction from myself. It is like an instigatory comment which can cause flamewars.

[CTap 111]

AS I have said, it will be judged case by case due to the broad spectrum of things that class as trolling, it can range from verbal warning, to a strike to a permban depending on the situation

So can I have a verbal warning since all I did was go into a teamspeak channel, laugh. and got banned, perma? Or will I still have to make an appeal and wait for Respiren to look at it?

[Robin Drake 731]

So can I have a verbal warning since all I did was go into a teamspeak channel, laugh. and got banned, perma? Or will I still have to make an appeal and wait for Respiren to look at it?

Best to make an appeal and then have him look at it, for I was not present when this occured.

[Lago 2572]

If the staff are doing this then one thing has to be made completely straight.

The definition of trolling, which many on this server have completely wrong.

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.

That is to say, trolling has negative intent. Too many people on this server seem to confuse it with with trying to make other members laugh.

If this is being made a rule, then put a definition with the rule. If you decide not to and make the definition utterly subjective I can see this ending badly.

[ayresalex 517]

Everything is trolling nowadays.

[Antharin 90]

Finally, this is why I am here, the commnity!

[Crow (Denivire) 41]

Ah, you know what, not even worth it.

EDIT: I'm not a troll, I just love angering others nuk nuk.

This guy is bad. Very bad. He used to troll me and hurt my feelings and he should be ban from all LotC things you guys have.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

Regardless of the fact that you fail to mention the second, much more organized google doc, the community has still not been given proof that each individual player had taken part in the trolling. In its stead, though, we have proof that innocent players had been banned.

Chuckaboo, for instance, was banned for "Screaming" and he didn't even have a mic. The only reason that the other innocent players haven't been unbanned is because it is not as easy to prove they were innocent. Perma-Bans should not be issued if you cant even prove who did what.

Unless that proof can be shown for each player, I maintain the position I took last night; that players such as LaTerre should be unbanned from Teamspeak, and Banana have his VA reinstated.

If any player wishes to see the document, send me a PM.

[Lym 849]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm trying to make sense of this here.

Had no clue you can get a revoke for OOC reasons.

...and you claim that you've read the villain rules?

I maintain the position I took last night; that players such as LaTerre should be unbanned from Teamspeak, and Banana have his VA reinstated.

Those who are not part of the GM & Admin Team and who aren't part of the VAT either can rightfully stay out of our business. Most players obviously do not have the right understanding of the rules including the terms of revoking and blacklisting villain applications.