Stop Using More Player Models Halfing Size For Goblins

[Braxis 813]

I'm not saying it's right for them to do so - I'm pointing out that a large amount of goblins haven't followed the lore in Aegis, and almost all of them in Asulon.

Actually danny only one or two were rping being very small and they where white wash Runts/outcast so the Orcs did not care. If your a runt and whitewash thats the reasons they are outcasted. But in Mog,Bog,Jarkall and many others can tell you have MANY goblins from Aegis who rpd the size correctly and some in Ausulon as well.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

Just because the majority agrees on something does not mean anything at all.

Also the problem is that Jingeh, was never part of the orcs, neither oocly or icly. He was whitewash and elsewhere. These goblins however are part of the warnation and are not whitewash.

Also, if it's ok to ignore lore then i'm just going to start rping a white Kha. I'll just ignore the lore and walk all over the work that someone else put into making the lore simply because I want to have it my way.

If you Roleplayed a white kha for months, joined communities, and became known, all without having GMs take the lore-break down, then I would support you in an argument.

Short goblins are NOT new. They've been around since around the start of Asulon. Players and GMs alike have allowed them to become part of the server without question. If they had bene shot down at the beginning, your "White fur Kha" retort would actually have some basis.

[Bawg 494]

Honestly i cant belive this has lasted this long, if you wanted this enforced you should have brought it up when it started not once every goblin is short. If you care so damn much then you should have acted sooner, it is what it is if a goblin wants to RP short then so be it.

Mogroka has been caught up with being a Admin, and governing the humans. Though, it is mostly the orcs that have noticed are to blame. I am one of those orcs who also overlooked the lore.

[lemontide331 1615]

The ears on a elf aren't a big deal either until you rid of them. The same thing with a goblin. As I said I want two forms of Goblins to emerge after this. I am neutral here, but to be honest the lore was there, and was overlooked by many. That is like saying if the dwarves wanted tentacles as arms, and they got thirty other people to roleplay a dwarf with tentacle arms it is acceptable. It would be interesting roleplay, but do you really want 30 dwarves runnign around with tentacle arms?...

Dwarfs with tentacles, and a goblins height is 2 completely different things.

[Cracker 4570]

I think that the height of the goblin should just be lowered to 4-5 feet. This still keeps its small, humurous demanor without detracting from its serious capabilities in war and technology. A good balance, that respects the prior lore without detracting and harming the RP of current players. Through MPM, this would not be halfling size but would just be the one size lower of normal human size. If you have seen Fishy Fish or Craotor's Mad Dok skin it would be that size which imo is perfect.

[Space 2335]

#ChangeGoboLore2012

[Sirbubbley 26]

Mogroka has been caught up with being a Admin, and governing the humans. Though, it is mostly the orcs that have noticed are to blame. I am one of those orcs who also overlooked the lore.

If he cares so much then maybe he shouldnt have taken on the humans as well.

[Jarkarll 314]

If you Roleplayed a white kha for months, joined communities, and became known, all without having GMs take the lore-break down, then I would support you in an argument.

Short goblins are NOT new. They've been around since around the start of Asulon. Players and GMs alike have allowed them to become part of the server without question. If they had bene shot down at the beginning, your "White fur Kha" retort would actually have some basis.

Because this wasn't a problem. We have no issues with the Claws. For clearly you are speaking of them.

Not to mention that in Aegis the majority of the goblins rped it right.

Whitewashes are just that. For people who do not wish to follow lore. To be apart of the war nation a requisite is that you abide by lore

If he cares so much then maybe he shouldnt have taken on the humans as well.

As much as I'd like to be snarky. I think it's best this not be brought up. This is something different from the topic at hand. No derailing this please.

[Bawg 494]

Dwarfs with tentacles, and a goblins height is 2 completely different things.

Though, the similarity between them is just so true.

[lemontide331 1615]

Though, the similarity between them is just so true.

Not really, it's much easier to explain the lore as to why your goblin is small, rather than why your dwarf has tentacles

[Sultan 3953]

If you Roleplayed a white kha for months, joined communities, and became known, all without having GMs take the lore-break down, then I would support you in an argument.

Short goblins are NOT new. They've been around since around the start of Asulon. Players and GMs alike have allowed them to become part of the server without question. If they had bene shot down at the beginning, your "White fur Kha" retort would actually have some basis.

Thats why we do not want outside input because of this view, GMS take the lore-break down. Im not here as a GM, before I was gm, I was an orc for 11 months or so, before that we created this lore, without gm help we created the race that followed there lore and had lore, before any of us had any offices or anything.

And CrackerJack.

Most Goblins, that have been made into Troll characters.

Im not talking about the Doctors Cratour outdone himself with that.

Realy Orcish Goblins look like this.

[Goliath 384]

I have roleplayed an Orc, just so people know. Nowadays, I picture Gobbo's to look like this:

http://attachments.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1278336&stc=1&d=1310743336

[Braxis 813]

None Orcs stop posting here, please your input is not required.

People who are not playing any orc now please stop posting as stated by the one who posted the thread. this is an ORc Rp issue. and many of you do not rp orcs. so please stop posting.

[Samson Option 9652]

I believe people have lost respect for the sanctity of authors of Lore. Mogroka I can attest has roleplayed and written [or been involved thereof] of the lore written for Orcs and their kith and kin. Goblins RPers should either respect what the author conveyed in the Lore or 'Kill your character off'. Simple and Sweet.

[AllenTheGreat 286]

The Goblins, a intelligent yet brutish race, standing 4-6 feet, their shiny inventions and cunning plans are all but renown in Asulon.

But, inside of a some of these Goblins occur a.. 'mutation,' some believe it is from the years of exposure to harmful elements, others believe from the unorthodox mating habits of these creatures. Whatever the reason, it resulted in them to be even shorter than the average Gobo, standing between 3-5 feet tall, some have seen this mutation occur in Humans, their sight being dwarfed in comparison to others.

One such human, of the name of Rorik, faced this mutation. Seeing that there was nothing he could do to fix such an issue, he disguised himself as one of the dwarves, growing a beard and moving to their lands with some of the immigrants from the Cloud Temple. This worked for some time, until on a day of selling his wares, he met a halfling miss, begotten by such beauty, he gathered his supplies and moved to the city, spending the next years of his life attempting to woo the lass into marriage.

His endeavors payed off and she agreed, Rorik gathered his finest iron ingots, and traveled to her father’s house, where he met both of her parents, a Dwarven father, and a halfling mother. Giving the father the ingots as a request, the dwarf consented their marriage and the two love-smitten people lived happily, bearing a Child two years later.

This child grew into a beautiful lass, Emilyne, her parents dying of a plague that broke out through Aegis, she was adopted by her grandparents and lived in the outskirts of the Dwarven lands. Upon reaching the age of 20, her size was still that of a child, and her parents began looking for a suitor. But a 'whitewash' Goblin snuck into the city, seeing the beautiful lass, he took her as his mate. As harsh as this was, the two fell in love, and she bore a child, half-Goblin, an Eighth Dwarf, Eighth Halfing, and quarter human. This child contained the same mutation as her grandfather, which seemed to travel as a genetic trait through offspring, the child was named Helien, and grew to her later years.

Of the Lur clan was a fierce Uruk, being mixbreed of Gobo and Uruk. Joining in one of the Uruk 'raiding' parties, they went into the dwarven city, breaking open chest and shops, they murdered the guards and stole the valuables. The Uruk took another valuable, the daughter, Helien. Using this poor mixbreed of races as a mate, he left her, but the damage was done. Helien went to the only place she knew of, the Cloud Temple. Despite the monks help, Helien's small size, with the child inside of her, caused her to perish during birth, leaving a child in her stead, which due to the greater part of her being Uruk/Gobo, she seemed as any normal Orc cub. The monk took the child, giving her to the Orcs of Krugmar, where she were raised as a normal Orc Child (or as normal as a Orc child can be raised). But there grew an apparent issue with the child, after growing to a certain size, her growth halted, her age would increase, yet she still seemed the size of a Child.

The Uruks recognized this, seeing it as a mutation, they searched her out, but the Goblin who raised the child was not as strong of will as the others, not wishing for the child to perish, he hid her in a cave, the mouth too small for the Uruks to crawl into. The Uruks searched out the Child, seeing that the now 'whitewash' Goblin had hid her, they took him in her stead, ending his life.

The child would venture out of the cave, heading into to the brick/sandstone courtyard that was inclosed for the Goblins, and quickly buy food from them, before venturing away. One of the Goblins, being sympathetic, took the child as his lifemate, moving to a small house on the outskirts of Krug'mar, they bore cubs. These Cubs contained the same genetic mutation. Through pity and secrecy they survived and took/were mates, and so forth. These 'mutant' Gobos carved small caves into the cliffs, whenever the call of the Uruk rose up, they would flee into the various tunnels, some Uruks tried drowning them out, others tried burning. Most Uruks would not attempt to venture into the tunnels themselves, as the Gobos had enacted clever fail-safes if they tried to dig in, usually killing the Uruk who tried.

Reproduction through fear and disorder, slowly over the years, it seemed the Uruks grew a tolerance for this 'half-breed Goblin,' though there was always a time, or fear of a time, whenever the torches would be lit and the swords unsheathed as they were hunted. The genetic imprint of the Dwarves, Halflings and humans slowly melted away with each generation, but the mutation did not, soon, people took these mutant Gobos as the normal, and not the exception, new Goblin holes were created, where these creatures, standing between 2-4 feet tall, could evade capture of the larger races. Upon reaching Asulon, 2 out of 5 these creatures would seem to become unintelligent upon reaching a certain age. This occurrence was caused by the skull of the Gobo to not grow adequately with the brain, leaving a degraded amount of oxygen, each case was different, some of the Goblins seeming to be mentally ill, others seeming to not contain the ability to rationally think through situations. The Gobos who were not affected by this issue contained the intelligence of normal Goblins, but their size, speech, and demeanor often gave the other races a different opinion, believing them mentally-ill mutants that should be exterminated.

And so forth these mutated Goblins mated, their numbers growing along with other races’ hate for them, until they reached the point of which they are today.