Stop Using More Player Models Halfing Size For Goblins

[Cracker 4570]

To be honest I would rather just settle with keeping gobbo's 4-5 feet than creating two different types of goblins; I would rather use our "subraces" slot to foster more Orcish subraces, we seriously lack them. One type of goblin which mixes the silliness and crazy rationalism of the "lore-breaking ones" with the intelligence and quick thinking of the "lore-based ones" seems like a plan to me.

[Jingeh 278]

Because back in 2011 when He played Jingeh in Aegis there was no MPM so there was no direct way of knowing size so many did not know or care. and it has come up now. Cause TONS of people are running around with MpM halfing for Goblins running amuck.

Actually the problem was that when I joined there was only 2-3 sentences of lore for Goblins and they were only described as "fickle" and "small".

And also regarding the stupidity I'm not exactly sure why the Goblins have done this I mean the Claw family, which is just a family of whitewashes are generally silly or stupid because despite their capability for intellect they were just not educated and were left to their own devices which turned out to simply be their drive for lust. And our family is generally small as they are all quite young and Jingeh is just generally shorter.

Also I understand where Mog is coming from but the problem is that it was not made clear at the very beginning and I believe that rather than the new Goblins reading the updated wiki they just went by what they have seen and what they believed to be Goblins.

Apologies for posting considering I'm a whitewash some of these things may have already explained I just felt like I needed to give my input.

[Sultan 3953]

Actually the problem was that when I joined there was only 2-3 sentences of lore for Goblins and they were only described as "fickle" and "small".

And also regarding the stupidity I'm not exactly sure why the Goblins have done this I mean the Claw family, which is just a family of whitewashes are generally silly or stupid because despite their capability for intellect they were just not educated and were left to their own devices which turned out to simply be their drive for lust. And our family is generally small as they are all quite young and Jingeh is just generally shorter.

Also I understand where Mog is coming from but the problem is that it was not made clear at the very beginning and I believe that rather than the new Goblins reading the updated wiki they just went by what they have seen and what they believed to be Goblins.

Apologies for posting considering I'm a whitewash some of these things may have already explained I just felt like I needed to give my input.

Thank you for the post, that is why the seasoned Orcs have stated that the Claw Family are not related or effected by this lore.

[Mingpow321 285]

I have one thing to say about the "OOC: Stop using them as a troll race", I see absolutely no way that you could take choosing a short player model as trolling. I know for a fact that I have a short goblin whom I do not troll on, I take my RP as serious as I would any other character. As does my friend, ZargBlarg. There's absolutely no correlation between height and trolling.

[Slic3man 484]

I have one thing to say about the "OOC: Stop using them as a troll race", I see absolutely no way that you could take choosing a short player model as trolling. I know for a fact that I have a short goblin whom I do not troll on, I take my RP as serious as I would any other character. As does my friend, ZargBlarg. There's absolutely no correlation between height and trolling.

I think he means that by trolling it was the fact the outburst of a ton of Goblins within Arethor for the Gobonic order that mostly run around like they are idiotic. Granted, that is how they make their character, but it makes no sense contending with lore. I used to be an Orc and was a Nob in the army, I remember Goblins that fit the lore precisely and did what they were supposed to do. Ever since Arethor I've begun to see the countless stampede of the small goblins acting idiotic as if they are attention seekers or children. A lot more goblins spawned from the Gobonic order, and the re-rolled goblins spawned from that simply copied the other goblins in charge.

Should one follow another's footsteps, it doesn't make it right. I'm sure Mogroka has put a lot of effort into his lore, and to see people disregard it makes it seem like you're just kneeing him in the groin. If one was to murder, does that make it okay for the many others to murder, then more to murder simply because the society decided to do that?

[Noahjam325 53]

As has been stated a thousand times over. The Claw Family IS the exception. They have carved out their lore. The issue is that if you're a Warnation Goblin it would be the equivalent of powergaming to say you could just survive Warnation lifestyle as the Goblins mentioned in the original post. Mogroka isn't saying "This kind of Goblin can't exist because I said so" there are specific lore reasons developed almost a year ago now why a Goblin like that wouldn't survive in the Warnation. Goblins that are born like this don't live in the Warnation. They go off and have their own life outside of normal orc culture because they can't survive in orc culture. There's nothing inherently wrong with these Goblins existing, it's them existing within the Warnation. Again; as already talked about there is "lore" for other kinds of Goblins, just not within the Warnation.

[VonAulus 2082]

We are trying to get people to join with us in the War Nation, not drive them away. If you want them not to be involved with us IC please do it IC. I agree, they should follow the lore, but, you can not just say they are not allowed to RP their goblins that they made based on all the other goblins that have been around for a long time. If you want these goblins out, do it IC, not with nasty thread OOC. Please do not say over and over, "Oh the Lore" or "it has been around for 1 year" because no one in my time being here has ever played a goblin like that. I have been around for awhile, and been an orc all summer, and not one of those gobline is currently rp'ed. I think we are just beating around the bush.

[Luchian 214]

The Gobonic order is not directly a part of the Warnation, It's mixed of Goblins of the War nation and White-Wash which has ganged up to defend themselves against the Teutons. Once that treath is over so will the Order be.

[Sultan 3953]

As has been stated a thousand times over. The Claw Family IS the exception. They have carved out their lore. The issue is that if you're a Warnation Goblin it would be the equivalent of powergaming to say you could just survive Warnation lifestyle as the Goblins mentioned in the original post. Mogroka isn't saying "This kind of Goblin can't exist because I said so" there are specific lore reasons developed almost a year ago now why a Goblin like that wouldn't survive in the Warnation. Goblins that are born like this don't live in the Warnation. They go off and have their own life outside of normal orc culture because they can't survive in orc culture. There's nothing inherently wrong with these Goblins existing, it's them existing within the Warnation. Again; as already talked about there is "lore" for other kinds of Goblins, just not within the Warnation.

I am not only stating it can not happen because, they would be killed but I also state that they can not be born that way.

And to Aulus, Troll characters and second hand characters are not really what

we want from players that want to join the orcs, nor are they actually joining the orcs nor are they helping them in anyway.

[Razus 8]

They've adapted :3

But honestly, I love this new sense of partially stupid and cute goblins that are really small ^.^

That's because your the, 'GOBO KEENG!'

[Noahjam325 53]

I am not only stating it can not happen because, they would be killed but I also state that they can not be born that way.

Basic genetics kind of disagrees with you. The possibility of a Goblin being born a "runt" is absolutely possible. Or a Goblin being born with "mental deficiencies" is also possible. A female orc can birth a Goblin like this. The problem is that Goblin would most likely be killed before it even reached adulthood (7 years old). The orcs wouldn't know it had these issues until it started training. Once the orcs know the Goblin has these issues. When they see him not growing any bigger, when they see him failing at basic Goblin roles as a child. Then they would cull him for weakness.

[craotor 617]

I like Grotsnik size for a gobo and thats how I imagined them to look like.And he and the other Doktars are not whitewash,they have done more good for then war nation then many orks have.They cure wounds and add improvements!!(granted the survival rate is 20%))Grotsnik only walks around Arethor because there are mory puny and wounded people there to cure then in the War Ugz.But when he is done with cutting humans he goes to the War Ugz and cuts them as well,only better because he tested it on humans before

[Lago 2572]

Overnight, the goblin population dropped by 80%, and the population of goblin/halfling crosses raised by 4000%.

[Lago 2572]

Basic genetics kind of disagrees with you. The possibility of a Goblin being born a "runt" is absolutely possible.

Halfling sized humans in a 7 billion human population are phenomenally rare. Having almost every goblin halfing sized in a population of under 50 is... unlikely. Yes, at a huge stretch theoretically possible, but very, very unlikely.

EDIT: And once again I am caught out by the inability to delete posts in the case of accidental doubles.

[VonAulus 2082]

Mogroka, deal with it IC please then. Not like this OOC way. It is obviously a phase just like there was a halfling phase and other phases for making alt characters. I believe you are going through a human phase. I kid, but, I think this is not really as big of a problem as some -other- things.