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That is quite sad, being as ultra-conservative will be the thing that lands it in the shelf if anything. Sadly, if the magic remains the same and close to the other holy magic in nature and use what is the point of having separate magics for each diety and not one blanket magic with different patrons such as D&D which from what I am aware each rewrite was made to avoid such a thing happening though I could be wrong. You can make a magic unique and to the point without being overpowered or convoluted, especially with lore available to work with already. It might not be the popular thing to do, but you can't include everyone's voice and opinion if you want to achieve such, you can only do your best to try and work what they want in and what would be practical and good for the lore.

While I'm glad you managed the rewrite, other than a few changes and rewording the magic remains almost if not basically the same as it was. Yes, the disconnection issue was fixed though I still find that it remains empty from what I was aware of was the point of rewriting the magic. That was to give it uniqueness and identity that separated it from the other holy magic, and while I understand that it is the religion that keeps it such the magic seems to do what the others already accomplish. War clericalism seems hashed down and shell of what it could be, still leaning on what the Ascended coined with Aengulic fire, and borrowing from Xan's arsenal of manifesting weapons. I know this is due to the fact of healing also being the main viable option but the fix of that would be just splitting the sub-types giving way to a more in-depth character development. As well I am still confused as to the remaining sub-type of the "rituals and Collectives" which seems to be a watered down version of Divine warden which makes what should be a magic that seeks things out stagnant in certain terms though I am glad not to the extent of its inspiration. Though I have more so disconnected myself from the cleric player base and just ranting on lore that I had quite enjoyed and the possibilities it could of held, good job on getting it finished and I wish ya'll luck with it.

Probably been a good four to five years since I posted in show yourself so might as well update it with a random casual and work picture.

From an outside understanding it’s not that they didn’t kill off their character it’s that they took no consequence from the actions that lead to their death and kept pushing forward acting fine and dandy like nothing went wrong. Would you like someone throwing off something you worked hard for because they didn’t care for consequences of their actions? Then again this being a server turned to a play pen where everything is wrapped in foam and everyone gets a gold star it’s not far off to say this has become the norm.

This magic can be very much a supportive or purely rp role to be fair if you actually read it. It all depends what sub type of Druidism you use, it’s mix with herblore is a very good example of such. But then being just pvp is a server issue and not a lore issue, as well as I have stated if anyone actually tried to role play with the two they’d find it much more easier to grasp then just complaining oocly and ruining a good magic like they have many other. But that has and always will be my thought on the matter, but hey I’m just used to heavily monitored role play and things being more closed off unless worked for to achieve.

It still confuses me why people believe everything should be spread around and made to be overly used and for the public. Why can’t something be unique and rare, and not wide spread? Have either or anyone for that matter try to approach either Cam or mitto for the use of the magic through role play means or just complained oocly that it’s circle jerked? Believe me if there was anyone who’d teach something if you actually approached them and role played with them to learn it’d be those two, hell cam even tried to give clerics blood magic before. But no let’s make everything free use to preserve people’s fun and so that everyone can be special.

Sadly I was told to avoid any wards like such that you have written by a few LM's while shopping ideas for my rewrite, I wish you luck though.

The fact that everyone's answer to the issue of war clericalism is become a paladin is fairly sad, it is sad because that eludes to the fact you view it as just a "magic" and not a way of life to be role played. Tahariae and Xan have very separated goals and things that they ask their followers to live by. That would be the same as telling a shaman to get rid of freygoth, denounce the spirits, and become a Druid. It's not simply a magic; its character structure, its a way of life, it's a set of guidelines, it's not just some random magic that can just be swapped for the hell of it.

I agree with you on the fact that one should changed should the other be better but at the same time an agreement was came to that if a rewrite were to happen one would not take away from the other and if this became an issue that it would have to be separated once more. On the topic of clerics being healers, it is a vague term used in game and fiction and though commonly are such it can differ. The fact is on LoTC for most clerics, it's not the magic that comes with it but the deity which draws us in. You are right we very well could go make a Paladin, but Xan has a lot of different ideals and values than Tahariae. What makes me passionate about playing a cleric is the structure that the character has to follow more than the magic. The hunting down of dark magic users and seeking out taint in the name of god and the role play that comes with where as Xan is about keeping the natural world order(could be worded better).

The last things I will say on this post is this, never has war clericalism not been held as the main directive of Tahariae. It is what is used to carry out his judgment, healing is only there to get rid of taint from gray life and get fix broken things. That is not to say healing is not an important aspect, but it is a important role play aspect not one of the deity. Because of such I am aware of its need to remain balanced between the two sub types. That is to say one does not get to be better than the other, this much from skype conversation I thought that is something agreed upon. The change we speak of is something that is wanted if two separate cleric order leaders are saying basically the same thing unlike what you claim to be wanted. That is not to say you haven't done a good job at writting everything but war clericalism, but if you wanted to add it you should have put equal amount of effort or reached out for help in doing so. So I will say this, before you claim to know what is wanted out of Tahariaes magic, that is a discussion I am sure everyone will be willing to have in the order chat. I was under the impression from our talks that we were in agreence that one sub type would not faulter the other and if that became an issue that they would be separated into two separate subtypes in where someone could only learn one or the other to balance things. Though here you state that healing comes at the cost of combat.

While I would agree normally if Dark beings actually went along with being effected by holy magic but in all reality the only thing it effects is Shades, Frost witchs, and necrotic creations. Other than that our magic holds no effect. We substitute it for normal weapons out of necessity not want which is why Squirtgun and I have brought up the point of war clericalism needing more work. It is bland left how it is and not to say that is on Farryn. What you want us to remove is the only tool we have that is actually effective at fighting dark mages. Take away for a second the fact it can harm grey life, just because it can doesn't me we as clerics can. There are codes against that and if one were to do it they would be disconnected for it.

At the same time could you not say that Arcanism is just condensed mana drawn from the void? Mana that normally has an air like quality? Light is simply mana gifted from an Aengul rather than the users own source, this is explained in a different post on deific powers. It is not far fetched to be able to condense mana into a solid matter as is done in many magic forms. I will point out as well taint and corruption does not mean singularly dark beings in Tahariaes definition, but people and things that twist the natural things into something unnatural such as a necromancer takes normal life force and turns it into necrotic taint. It is the changing of these things that makes it considered "tainted" or "corrupted". It is merely a tool to be used against those that cause such magic but deny any form of it effected their body in a corrupt way. As well orb of light has been around far longer than Arcanism, dating back to late Aegis and early Asulon from the Paladin order made by Braxis so what I do not understand is how we would be drawing from a magic you had written after the fact? Either way many magics have similarities on the server, though an issue that is something a little to far gone to fix.

Orb of light has always done blunt damage to things for the longest time, even before I became a cleric which was two years ago. From what I remember it's the only ability we have that does this and was a utility against Necromancers whom are not considered tainted but are still hunted and homunculus who fall under that category as well depending on who you talk to. It's because of this servers very loose use of the term "taint" and "corruption" and Tahariae's version of such. It's hard to say what we can and cannot effect half the time because of this loose definition and everyone's thought on it being different so a spell that does blunt damage is something that is need for people that partake in a dark art claimed to not "taint" or effect their body but still not considered a grey life(normal descendant) by Tahariae. I hope that answers your question somewhat and helps you understand why it is needed.

Honestly I still stand by the fact you could have done a lot better of a job on war clericalism, not to say it is your responsibility to work on everything but if you want to put that much effort into healing, which while important I still fail to see the reason why everyone thinks is the most valuable magic for Tahariae. A Aengul that dispite what you may think is written as a selfish and irrational being whose OCD on everything being the way he wants it effects his judgement in every call. Not to mention the stealing of followers from a certain Deity at one point whether cannon or not, he is in no way a "good guy". He doesn't even want his followers to heal people because they are hurt but imperfected. I suggest that until war clericalism is reworked to a better degree in which the people that currently use it are satisfied that this remain for healing and blessing and war clericalism is held off for now. I offered my help on such, but what I was writing is still being written. Either way I won't tell you what to do with your post, I am just merely giving a suggestion. Other than war clericalism everything seems alright, I've still yet to give it an in depth read. But from what I can tell war clericalism seems to remain a bland magic for which is supposed to be the main tool in a deities arsenal.

There was no retcon, the four brothers are still from Aegis. The other races spread out from there on if I am not wrong.

I really like the rewrite of this magic, great job +1

I think I need a mop