Pampo or edmund

[argonian 14254]

OOC: I actually lol'd when Vardak read out your quote in TS right after I got like 3 complaints about the current and very light tax system, you know how much money taxing all the shops in Alk'hazar would make per week? about 3k, taxing the towns under Oren's protection and the shops? About 10k if were lucky and even the 10k is a big stretch, you seem to think taxes are the solution to everything and not about how they adversely affect people in their game style, many people would move into the wilds simply to avoid a tax and sell off their shop, people mainly gather things they need and buy cheap things like food. Plenty of shops are automated and wont be able to pay taxes very well without some kind of plugin and we cant just grab one out of thin air just because we would need one, things don't happen magically over night because we want them too, if you think a tax is a perfect solution, then create a flawless way to tax every shop, and city within Oren and show it to me.

OOC: Touche.

[Arkelos 1027]

*goes to the paper to sign*

...

*walks away, leaving the paper unsigned*

OOC: Lore Wise, Perea was his mentor and father figure, While Edmund is a very helpful accepting generous man who has saved a few of my friends lives. Vardak's character wont let him choose who is best, so he leave it unsiged to say "Stalemate"

[GrimBeard 46]

If you're truly convinced enough to believe that because the army isn't present for a single fight that we've somehow decided to throw away land and it's people and have no desire to aid anywhere but Alk'hazar, they you are as arrogant as you are foolish. The army is small, and poorly funded due to our decision to keep the people of Oren happy and reconsider taxing them, the King rides with his army whenever he can and even I come to the aid of Oren when it is needed.

The King may not be a publicly open to people as Pampo, this is because he is always busy, busy building, busy creating laws, busy helping people setup new towns, busy guiding his advisors when I'm not around, busy aiding the military, he's always very busy. Pampo did not have the problems we have today. The undead were not on our doorstep. There was much less need for a constant and sizable army, the population was small, and people did not seek the luxuries of Alk'hazar or Oren as rapidly as they do today. Pampo had his own personal funds for the army and left none to aid King Edmund. We are starting essentially from scratch and a nation HAS to begin from it's capital, Alstion is not lost and we will see it restored, while I grieve for snowy fields, losses are not entirely preventable, we are mortals as you are. Nothing more, you are so ready to point a finger instead of asking how you can aid our nation that you throw away the knowledge I seek to give, and only look at a shallow vision of your surroundings.

For now I grow tired of trying to become a teacher and have further duties to aid in the expansion of our army that you expect to come to your aid, and will not be replying to letters further, you may seek me out in person if your curiosity to learn of a way to help finally grasps hold of you.

Name 5 things edmund Built besides your guys luxury keep?

[Ivrae 30]

Name 5 things edmund Built besides your guys luxury keep?

How is the Keep a luxury? What good is a Kingdom without a castle, and he's usually dealing with other things while it's being built by someone else. As for other things, lets see.. The new training grounds for the rebuilding of the guard that you managed to cripple into idiocy before your leadership was removed. The theatre, a bunch of houses, more shops, expansion of the city, oh wait it doesn't matter because you're an arrogant fool who only looks for little excuses to try to tarnish his image in anyway you can. You just cant accept that you messed up the guards, were replaced, and still haven't managed to help anywhere succeed. If Dan returns and decides he wants Alstion restored, we'll no doubt end up helping rebuild that too. It's hilarious to see that out've all my counter arguments to everything that people have said against Edmund the only rebuttal you can come up with is "Name 5 things Edmund Built besides your guys luxury keep?" Perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself further.

[GrimBeard 46]

How is the Keep a luxury? What good is a Kingdom without a castle, and he's usually dealing with other things while it's being built by someone else. As for other things, lets see.. The new training grounds for the rebuilding of the guard that you managed to cripple into idiocy before your leadership was removed. The theatre, a bunch of houses, more shops, expansion of the city, oh wait it doesn't matter because you're an arrogant fool who only looks for little excuses to try to tarnish his image in anyway you can. You just cant accept that you messed up the guards, were replaced, and still haven't managed to help anywhere succeed. If Dan returns and decides he wants Alstion restored, we'll no doubt end up helping rebuild that too. It's hilarious to see that out've all my counter arguments to everything that people have said against Edmund the only rebuttal you can come up with is "Name 5 things Edmund Built besides your guys luxury keep?" Perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself further.

Very true but since you said edmund will help re build alstion ill order the rebuilding soon

[GrimBeard 46]

Ok i lord of alstion while dans away just ordered the repairs of alstion i hope to see edmund and the archeticts soon like you said they would!

[Hempshine 1]

*Hempshine approaches the scroll, and reads it*

*Huff* "What's it even matter?"

*Hempshine surveys the area around him, looking for anybody that could see him, nobody is there.*

*Hempshine takes a leak on the wall next to the scroll*

[Khaene 1]

*Reads the scroll and scoffs. More ungrounded accusations from people wanting their problems to be solved by others. In Alstion's final days Khaene had met one of the Oren Guards ordered to support the North and spent several hours at the tavern swapping war stories over hot ale. True, perhaps it was too little too late, but an independent settlement such as Alstion, far to the north and on the edge of Oren, cannot expect aid to come from others and yet Captain Vardak and by extension King Sheffeild did send that aid in the end.

The Alstion veteran's main concern with Oren had been the lax laws that have allowed undead and their agents to lurk in the shadows of the cities and towns, plotting Oren's destruction in nigh-plain view. And yet the King has cracked down on this as well, allowing the guard to act more boldly in detaining and questioning suspicious travelers. But no, laws alone will never be able to do what needs to be done to truly secure Oren. Accepting this, the ranger believed the King has done well with the power a King wields.

(( OOC: This video sums up how I tend to feel about stuff like this:

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[Whitebeard 126]

*Picks up quill*

I liked Pampo better he was very social i could say hi to him and he would reply but when i try greeting edmund he says nothing this is one reason i liked Pampo better than Edmund and also Pampo has always watched over all parts of Oren including the northern parts like Alistion and Snowy Fields but Edmund seems to mainly focus on just staying in Al'Khazar don't take this this as an insult this is just my opinion

Considering Alstion and Snowy fields only came in just near the end of Pompo's reign and the fact the Undead were not around make your point irrelevant.

[Whitebeard 126]

Name 5 things edmund Built besides your guys luxury keep?

Well he built the Military District and everything in it, Rebuilt the Residential and Commercial District, Rebuilt the Main Gate and entrance and the wharf so don't you dare say he didn't do anything.

[Coconuta 141]

*reads the scroll and thinks*

neither , or both.

pampo had a peacfull time and made a great kingdom and faught the undead when they came to our world

but, edmund built al khazzar unto a even better city and has had to face the undead alot while the north is falling

[Whitebeard 126]

My father was a great King and had many good qualities. He was more social then Edmund is and tended to focus more on speaking and interacting with the people of Al'khazar. Edmund however has focused much more on Al'khazar's infrastructure and rebuild various parts of the city.

My fathers death came as a shock to all the people of Oren and through Aegis and will remain a sad day in Oren history, however Edmund has done a fantastic job on rebuilding the city he loved so dearly. However I see it as no more then plain ignorance to suggest that one was better then the other, they both have outstanding qualities and weaknesses alike. But these weaknesses and strength cannot be the standpoint for deciding on whether my father was better then Edmund.

And I find it rather disgusting to know the truth behind the intentions of this parchment in its attempt to insult and damage Edmund's reputation by comparing him to my father who too would be insulted to find such a question being asked. And too you Grimbeard keeper of Alstion, I find it rather childish that you pose this question, since you are just angry about the fall of Alstion. You expect brave and honest men of Oren and Al'khazar to rush to the aid of those who were too selfish and stubborn to leave the cities in the first place, they may justify it as some kind of heroic stand against the Undead but are truly selfish and stubborn individuals to expect that the men of Oren would sacrifice the lives they so willingly put on the line.

*He finishes his last full stop with a forceful jab of the quill.*

[Tegrof 46]

Without taking anyones side now, I want to ask: In times of these, is infrastructure and building the way to go, or should a King under Undead pressure not prepare Defence and armies?

This is just my small thought.

[argonian 14254]

Without taking anyones side now, I want to ask: In times of these, is infrastructure and building the way to go, or should a King under Undead pressure not prepare Defence and armies?

This is just my small thought.

That is what we are saying but Ivrae always goes back to her point about money but if they have enough money to build dozens of houses and make a massive expansion to Alkhazar(don't pretend you aren't, you booted us out of our base because you were expanding Alkhazar and we were a good ways away from Alkhazar)then they would definitely have enough for a few forts if they didn't waste their money on tons of houses. All the extra houses will do is give the Undead more buildings to burn when they attack because there were no forts to stop them.

[GrimBeard 46]

Come to alstion if ya want war,we need more swords war is to happen soon