SirSnowMan 318 Share Posted April 5, 2014 To be honest, a fundraiser for a new host would not be such a bad idea. Lotc gets donations almost daily. I think a few members of the staff should check to see where exactly this money is going to. Once they solve that issue we need some major upgrades. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndikate 2303 Share Posted April 6, 2014 We know what went wrong, the point of this thread to have both sides talk about a solution that will make them, at the very least, not completely upset. The tech team is constantly working toward reducing lag and Tythus is in charge of where the server is hosted. Both are aware of the problems and are working within the budget we have to make it better... .We need to move past what we can't change. As players you need to sort it out.... I don't think the GM team needs to force a re do or make this choice for you because its a choice both sides are going to have to live with. Force the redo. If the dwarves are happy with the illegitimate win. [i'm not on the Oren side when I say this.] then that's going to hurt the dwarf's OOC image. Force the redo after the latency is fixed. Better yet, don't do a redo and don't declare a winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merkaken 516 Share Posted April 6, 2014 This seems a bit much for a loss... Oren lost once in a war they've won tons of battles in. Just let it go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zezimus 1523 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Force the redo. If the dwarves are happy with the illegitimate win. [i'm not on the Oren side when I say this.] then that's going to hurt the dwarf's OOC image. Force the redo after the latency is fixed. Better yet, don't do a redo and don't declare a winner. A redo will likely do more harm than good. What if we do one and then the exact same issues arise? Will we have to redo it again? It's pointless. Most of us who've been doing these warclaims for a while now accepted this a long time ago. You can never get a war in which there's absolutely zero problems. If we voided every warclaim where something went wrong, we'd have done the same for 3/4 of the warclaims since last Summer. There was nothing deliberate done here to cause a problem to either side in this war. It was just unavoidable and therefore the best thing that can be done now is move on and focus on the next battle, when it eventually comes. I don't say this because I'm a dwarf, I say this because it's what the fact of the server's history has shown us. Look at Shadowcastle and Thoringrad if you want two examples. Also, if you think the rage here is bad, you should see the proper siege warclaims. Due to need for GM involvement in operating siege weapons/placing ladders, you get all sorts of claims of bias. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhulik 3559 Share Posted April 6, 2014 We arrived at 4:59 EST, Oren had some guys already there but the majority of them got there around 5:05-5:10. The Battle was scheduled for 5PM flat. I was the leader of the early Oreners, it was well in the range of 4:50-4:52 when we saw the majority of the Dwarven forces hop over the walls, then a couple dwarves tried harassing us oocly. Though we Lucienists were not effected by the Roll-back, we couldn't do anything due to the lag and when it finally stopped we realized how half of our guys were dead from /1 dwarf/ who passed us via lag as we couldn't see their motion, yet they somehow managed to kill seven of us without us noticing. (We couldn't communicate thoroughly due to TS crashing and a counted 18 second delay). To conclude, the lag was terrible. I don't support a Redo, but if the Dwarves warclaim the Humans and we defend in a hole with forty kill-boxes, lava traps/vents/food supplies I hope the Dwarves wont complain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jachnun 566 Share Posted April 6, 2014 We know what went wrong, the point of this thread to have both sides talk about a solution that will make them, at the very least, not completely upset. The tech team is constantly working toward reducing lag and Tythus is in charge of where the server is hosted. Both are aware of the problems and are working within the budget we have to make it better... .We need to move past what we can't change. As players you need to sort it out.... I don't think the GM team needs to force a re do or make this choice for you because its a choice both sides are going to have to live with. Why should we continue to live on with the faults that the staff caused, I don't really see the moral side to that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Dom 1297 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I was there, and I think the Oreners are basicly just not accepting that they lost in a long while. Get this, we were just better organized. I know for a fact that my Festinians troops have been preparing for OOC scenarios like this, and we survived it. I assume others did too. I suposse to avoid the lag, we may want to get a fundraiser or so. But Oren, you lost because we outnumbered you, and had better tactics, and thats it. Certainly I could be considered biased as my OOC and IC admiration goes towards Mediocregamer, but from an objective perspective I don't think Oren lost due to the rollbacks, we had rollbacks as well. I would want to write a whole rant and informative & constructive post regarding this.. But yeah.. I reminded me of something.. I would do this for the 21th time now. Honestly, get over it. If we can endure your b*llshit day by day, you can endure one loss. That'll be all. ~ pmsl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fimlin 1997 Share Posted April 6, 2014 This seems a bit much for a loss... Oren lost once in a war they've won tons of battles in. Just let it go. I don't support a Redo, but if the Dwarves warclaim the Humans and we defend in a hole with forty kill-boxes, lava traps/vents/food supplies I hope the Dwarves wont complain. needs more anklebiters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirSnowMan 318 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Well - I talked about a break down of possible fundraiser funds - and their usage - in a community fundraiser thread I started. Yet I agree with you, it might be a step in the right direction to see where the money we donate directly to LoTC is actually going on a project to project basis, or server cost basis. It be nice to see the monthly income coming to LoTC perhaps made public, and a pie chart could be shown in the server updates showing the amount of donations/V.I.P ranks being purchased. From there, we could have a list made by a staff member showing where that money went to. I'm sure there is an Admin or GM that could easily handle doing this, while giving the community a safe state of mind. Edit: Sorry, got a bit off track... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fact Core 511 Share Posted April 6, 2014 People don't need to void a battle but they can do it, like nobody won. Yes! Unbelievable right? It even happens that nobody wins in a battle and it ends undecided. Just do that and it even has a nice explanation in roleplay instead of having a war of the forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Dom 1297 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I agree with factcore the GM who decided the victor was a bit off I think no victor should have been officially declared but its not worth redoing or some **** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderssn 1115 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Well no Oreners left on the battle field = Victory for The Alliance! The battles we have fought earlier have had issues too(hax etc) and we seem to take it a lot better than you. Did we "Void the war! It's unfair! We lost!" Outnumbered anyway. Lag/crash/tp went for both sides. Deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowjax 140 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Did we "Void the war! It's unfair! We lost!"? yes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Dom 1297 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Did we "Void the war! It's unfair! We lost!" actually yeah you did 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndikate 2303 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Well no Oreners left on the battle field = Victory for The Alliance! The battles we have fought earlier have had issues too(hax etc) and we seem to take it a lot better than you. Did we "Void the war! It's unfair! We lost!" Outnumbered anyway. Lag/crash/tp went for both sides. Deal with it. Unfortunately, Oren would have been outnumbered after the rollback because the Dwarves are closer to the battlefield than they are. You can't blame them for being upset. Telling them to deal with it doesn't sound fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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