Snow Elven Lore[Work In Progress Please Provide Cc]

[Narthok 10416]

They can RP physical differences if they wish, Smithers. I'd advise they drop the "longer sharper ears" thing though, as long ears is a high elf characteristic which has been about for a long time. I'd advise shorter than normal ears: After all, ears let off heat and they live in the snow!

This is actually a really good point, I'll change that now thanks for the feedback

[Sky 0]

Snow Elves aren't a subrace, they are a culture derived from (what I presume are) elves of all kinds. Whether intentional or not, you have said multiple times in the thread (and lets not forget the pole) that the Snow Elves are a race. Yes, you didn't directly say "Snow Elves are a race" but it was the wording, such as saying stuff as "Us and the other races", that there is a sly little way of saying "We are a race, just as the others are.". It has been said by Lore Masters, many Global Moderators as well as an Admin (or two) that you are you're own culture, but not your own race. That is the first thing, I believe is needed to be fixed before you do anything with the lore. I didn't come here just to nag on that one point, another point that is a bit of a nuisance is the assumption that this culture was around during ancient times, when it was late Anthos at best which wasn't at all ancient. I cannot simply accept that the Snow Elves were hibernating this entire time. So, since you are a culture, which was created late Anthos how can you say that your culture is this expanded upon? You have your own style of weapons, your own magic for gods sake. 

 

I mean, what is even a bigger spit in the face is that you openly have your own "Culture" sub heading, when the Snow Elves /ARE/ the culture. They don't have a culture, they /ARE/ the culture and no matter how much you try to ignore the Lore Masters, the Global Moderators or even an Admin, you will remain a culture. 

 

That's my two cents. 

[DecoLamb 959]

Remove cavalry charges; although Snow Elves have recently started using them, the harsh climate they come from couldn't support horses. Instead, the Fenn would rely on a traditional foot soldier tactic.

Actually, this is incorrect. There are several breeds of horse easily capable of living in the cold, one of the most famous and adorable being the Arctic Yakut, usually found within Siberia, which survive with no shelter in temperatures as low as -60°F / -50°C.

 

 

This has been a lesson from the horse-crazy DecoLamb, have fun :D

[Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466]

Why do Snow Elves have Naginatas? Considering its a weapon of the Eastern culture, I feel really dirty even bringing it up.

[Narthok 10416]

 

Why do Snow Elves have Naginatas? Considering its a weapon of the Eastern culture, I feel really dirty even bringing it up.

 

Good medium ranged weapon that works very well for stabbing and slashing from horse back.

[DecoLamb 959]

Good medium ranged weapon that works very well for stabbing and slashing from horse back.

I think he's asking how they got ahold of a weapon dominated and created by another culture.. not to mention they're not used on horseback. They're a foot solider weapon used to take out horseback soldiers. Its extremely unwieldy to try and use one while on horseback due to their thin shape and lack of an actual grip. They're basically the oriental version of a pike.

[Narthok 10416]

I think he's asking how they got ahold of a weapon dominated and created by another culture.. not to mention they're not used on horseback. They're a foot solider weapon used to take out horseback soldiers. Its extremely unwieldy to try and use one while on horseback due to their thin shape and lack of an actual grip. They're basically the oriental version of a pike.

I see, alright I'll take them out then

[DecoLamb 959]

You might also want to respond to other posts in the thread, many of them raise good points as well. <3

[Dreek 1633]

Snow Elves aren't a subrace, they are a culture derived from (what I presume are) elves of all kinds. Whether intentional or not, you have said multiple times in the thread (and lets not forget the pole) that the Snow Elves are a race. Yes, you didn't directly say "Snow Elves are a race" but it was the wording, such as saying stuff as "Us and the other races", that there is a sly little way of saying "We are a race, just as the others are.". It has been said by Lore Masters, many Global Moderators as well as an Admin (or two) that you are you're own culture, but not your own race. That is the first thing, I believe is needed to be fixed before you do anything with the lore. I didn't come here just to nag on that one point, another point that is a bit of a nuisance is the assumption that this culture was around during ancient times, when it was late Anthos at best which wasn't at all ancient. I cannot simply accept that the Snow Elves were hibernating this entire time. So, since you are a culture, which was created late Anthos how can you say that your culture is this expanded upon? You have your own style of weapons, your own magic for gods sake. 

 

I mean, what is even a bigger spit in the face is that you openly have your own "Culture" sub heading, when the Snow Elves /ARE/ the culture. They don't have a culture, they /ARE/ the culture and no matter how much you try to ignore the Lore Masters, the Global Moderators or even an Admin, you will remain a culture. 

 

That's my two cents. 

dont take my words for a snelves', bcs im a dwarf/alras person

 

but i sense some rustled jimmies from this post :^)

[Sky 0]

dont take my words for a snelves', bcs im a dwarf/alras person

 

but i sense some rustled jimmies from this post :^)

Rustled jimmies, how so? Against popular belief, I have nothing against them OOCly, I'd even say that I see ww2buff as a friend of mine. The post was just to reaffirm a point that was told to some time and time again, but for some reason still isn't stuck to them. I'd appreciate that you wouldn't assume things 303.

[Guest]

And now I suppose it is time for me to leave my own perspective as pertains to the Princedom of Fenn, and the Mali'fenn people as they are. For me, it is indisputable that the Snow Elven playerbase is the most unoriginal and half-assed concept within the whole of LoTC. You're probably going to dismiss my argument as false, biased and rude, though this is my opinion and I feel that I should have the right to share it publicly if I will it so. Within this post I will be providing multiple reasons as to support my claim regarding the essential crap that the Mali'fenn hide behind and revolve around.

 

Their originality. (Or lack thereof.) 

 

Just by taking but a short glance at the Mali'fenn lifestyles, one can deduce that they're a few miles away from being their own, creative concepts. It seems that your precious Grand Prince based most of this half-baked idea off of the hit HBO series Game of Thrones. There is a heap of reasons as pertains to this, though the main one would have to be their lack of societal creativity. You will find that many Snow Elven RPers are exact copies of GoT characters, stealing names and stealing raw ideas. 

 

Before continuing onto stronger examples, you should know that your attention within this particular complaint should initially be adverted at the title of a specific military status: Lord Commander. Huh, where have I heard of that before? In Game of Thrones as many already understand, the acting and ruling hand of the brotherhood of the Night's Watch is leaded by a man with the title of Lord Commander. The series constantly reminds you of this title and seals it into the back of your head. It seems that this memory was taken from a LoTC RPer whom perhaps unconsciously brought it from one world to another. 

 

What is worse that this title is used in what would appear to be the same military idea. The Ivae'fenn, or should I perhaps say, the Night's Watch itself? Just the fact that it's supposedly a Ranger corporation and is headed by the Lord Commander baffles me. To my surprise it isn't all black and white; copied and pasted. Luckily, this portion branches off far from the rest of GoT, though it still holds many of the same ideals and principles. I enjoy that the Ivae'fenn is its own thing, though that one title really kills the magic in the culture that I would've very well had. As goes, there was an Anarion named Rhegon. That's not bad or anything, and the name has a good ring to it, but they essentially just mashed up Rhaegar Targaryen and Aegon Targaryen. That isn't some horrific, monstrous crime, though this next one certainly is. Now, we delve deeper into the realization that these Snow Elves are nothing more than Game of Thrones wannabes. I'm going to strike at the Tundrak family as to further support my argument.

 

TUNDRAKS ARE DAMN LIVING COPIES OF TARGARYENS. Ww2buff98 or whatever the hell his name is created a character named Crown Prince Rhaegar Tundrak. Excuse my French but. . . what the ****?! It would not have been such a sin had he just taken the first name Rhaegar straight out of GoT. Smooth move, Crown Prince. I love the authenticity. (Sarcasm, of course.) 

 

There are plenty other reasons as pertains towards their half-assed culture, though I'm simply going to leave this post with the ultimate one. Once upon a time, there was a little Ww2buff98. He finally got his dandy Snelf culture their own subforum! Unfortunately, every single post I saw him make included a soundtrack video straight out of Game of Thrones itself. Nice job Snelves, nice job indeed. I'm just saying, the other Elven subraces hold a bit more creativity in their names.

 

I'm going to get a lot of backlash for this, and I've accepted that. Just know that this is my personal opinion, and it lacks much background knowledge in the Snelven culture. However, the only things I've observed as a casual RPer are simply copy and paste ideas from Game of Thrones. This is why I dislike the Snow Elves, and why I believe they're half-assed. I encourage their playerbase to prove me wrong, though I doubt that their examples are going to overrule the fact that they have revolved heavily on Game of Thrones since their creation in late Anthos. 

 

((Much love for you guys OOCly. But I hate yo culture with the utmost extent.))

[MamaBearJade 2090]

I guess I will give my own two cents then. Wont be as long.

 

From what I have seen, Snow Elves are nothing more than High Elves who like snow. They stray very far from mali customs and beliefs for being a race that was created mid last year. The concept originally was alright, but you not only ripped at the playerbase by trying to seperate your "race" from us but you are a bit overly aggressive for elves.

 

You are more like Orcs in how you act, attacking your own kind. I have even seen snow elves kill child characters. While this is a huge no in Mali culture, it seems to bother you little.

 

Next, your attitudes OOCly towards any critiques (at least the ones I have spoken to) puts me off on this sub-culture. While ww2buff99 and I get along well OOCly, his attitude around the whole Snelf culture is quite arrogant and put off. I rather see them stop rping Snelves, put more work into this, find different heads to this, and give it to the LORE team instead of the path you are on now. I have no issues with some of the snow elves, but right now, all you guys are are Goblins in disguise.

[Narthok 10416]

And now I suppose it is time for me to leave my own perspective as pertains to the Princedom of Fenn, and the Mali'fenn people as they are. For me, it is indisputable that the Snow Elven playerbase is the most unoriginal and half-assed concept within the whole of LoTC. You're probably going to dismiss my argument as false, biased and rude, though this is my opinion and I feel that I should have the right to share it publicly if I will it so. Within this post I will be providing multiple reasons as to support my claim regarding the essential crap that the Mali'fenn hide behind and revolve around.

 

Their originality. (Or lack thereof.) 

 

Just by taking but a short glance at the Mali'fenn lifestyles, one can deduce that they're a few miles away from being their own, creative concepts. It seems that your precious Grand Prince based most of this half-baked idea off of the hit HBO series Game of Thrones. There is a heap of reasons as pertains to this, though the main one would have to be their lack of societal creativity. You will find that many Snow Elven RPers are exact copies of GoT characters, stealing names and stealing raw ideas. 

 

Before continuing onto stronger examples, you should know that your attention within this particular complaint should initially be adverted at the title of a specific military status: Lord Commander. Huh, where have I heard of that before? In Game of Thrones as many already understand, the acting and ruling hand of the brotherhood of the Night's Watch is leaded by a man with the title of Lord Commander. The series constantly reminds you of this title and seals it into the back of your head. It seems that this memory was taken from a LoTC RPer whom perhaps unconsciously brought it from one world to another. 

 

What is worse that this title is used in what would appear to be the same military idea. The Ivae'fenn, or should I perhaps say, the Night's Watch itself? Just the fact that it's supposedly a Ranger corporation and is headed by the Lord Commander baffles me. To my surprise it isn't all black and white; copied and pasted. Luckily, this portion branches off far from the rest of GoT, though it still holds many of the same ideals and principles. I enjoy that the Ivae'fenn is its own thing, though that one title really kills the magic in the culture that I would've very well had. As goes, there was an Anarion named Rhegon. That's not bad or anything, and the name has a good ring to it, but they essentially just mashed up Rhaegar Targaryen and Aegon Targaryen. That isn't some horrific, monstrous crime, though this next one certainly is. Now, we delve deeper into the realization that these Snow Elves are nothing more than Game of Thrones wannabes. I'm going to strike at the Tundrak family as to further support my argument.

 

TUNDRAKS ARE DAMN LIVING COPIES OF TARGARYENS. Ww2buff98 or whatever the hell his name is created a character named Crown Prince Rhaegar Tundrak. Excuse my French but. . . what the ****?! It would not have been such a sin had he just taken the first name Rhaegar straight out of GoT. Smooth move, Crown Prince. I love the authenticity. (Sarcasm, of course.) 

 

There are plenty other reasons as pertains towards their half-assed culture, though I'm simply going to leave this post with the ultimate one. Once upon a time, there was a little Ww2buff98. He finally got his dandy Snelf culture their own subforum! Unfortunately, every single post I saw him make included a soundtrack video straight out of Game of Thrones itself. Nice job Snelves, nice job indeed. I'm just saying, the other Elven subraces hold a bit more creativity in their names.

 

I'm going to get a lot of backlash for this, and I've accepted that. Just know that this is my personal opinion, and it lacks much background knowledge in the Snelven culture. However, the only things I've observed as a casual RPer are simply copy and paste ideas from Game of Thrones. This is why I dislike the Snow Elves, and why I believe they're half-assed. I encourage their playerbase to prove me wrong, though I doubt that their examples are going to overrule the fact that they have revolved heavily on Game of Thrones since their creation in late Anthos. 

 

((Much love for you guys OOCly. But I hate yo culture with the utmost extent.))

 

 

I guess I will give my own two cents then. Wont be as long.

 

From what I have seen, Snow Elves are nothing more than High Elves who like snow. They stray very far from mali customs and beliefs for being a race that was created mid last year. The concept originally was alright, but you not only ripped at the playerbase by trying to seperate your "race" from us but you are a bit overly aggressive for elves.

 

You are more like Orcs in how you act, attacking your own kind. I have even seen snow elves kill child characters. While this is a huge no in Mali culture, it seems to bother you little.

 

Next, your attitudes OOCly towards any critiques (at least the ones I have spoken to) puts me off on this sub-culture. While ww2buff99 and I get along well OOCly, his attitude around the whole Snelf culture is quite arrogant and put off. I rather see them stop rping Snelves, put more work into this, find different heads to this, and give it to the LORE team instead of the path you are on now. I have no issues with some of the snow elves, but right now, all you guys are are Goblins in disguise.

These are both excellent points and I really agree with the fact that we have way to much game of thrones influence. With this post I hope to give the snow elf culture an actual guideline instead of a vague set of guidelines surrounding a psuedo culture entirely based on hatred of the tahn'siol elves. The ranger concept was not actually of the council rather it was thought up by the first warden of the Ivae'Fenn if you've read the new lore post I stated that the Ivae'fenn will be phased into a more horse based form known as the Faersu'Fenn as i think this will be the most effective way for us to use our smaller numbers as well as giving the military rp on the server an influx of Mounted forces as every battle I've fought in during the daily war was entirely confined to ground forces, regardless.The anarions are.. an interesting bunch but I don't think its fair that snelves are the only ones called out for having game of thrones related names, I've seen many game of thrones related items among other races and factions as well. Thank you for your comments I appreciate them I will speak to the other snow elves regarding fixing these issues as well as improving our origin lore.

[Supremacy 3361]

Ah! A new point!

 

When you write in Elven you do not capitalise everything. You only capitalise proper nouns also (so only if it is the name of an organisation or person do you capitalise, not even at the beginning of a sentence).

 

Mali'fenn not Mali'Fenn
Ivae'fenn not Ivae'Fenn

Faersu'fenn not Faersu'fenn

 

Also "Ivae" is not a word. I don't know where it came from, but it isn't elven.

[Narthok 10416]

Ah! A new point!

 

When you write in Elven you do not capitalise everything. You only capitalise proper nouns also (so only if it is the name of an organisation or person do you capitalise, not even at the beginning of a sentence).

 

Mali'fenn not Mali'Fenn

Ivae'fenn not Ivae'Fenn

Faersu'fenn not Faersu'fenn

 

Also "Ivae" is not a word. I don't know where it came from, but it isn't elven.

alright thanks for the tips buff told me it meant bringers making Ivae'fenn mean Bringers of Ice