The New Villainy Blacklist

[Sambosefus 47]

I agree with Geo, if the person you are (insert crime) isn't enjoying the roleplay and feels forced into it, then you need to rethink your techniques. Bad villains are ones that are only villains for themselves. There is someone behind that minecraft avatar that likes to have fun just as much as you do. Don't force them to grow bitter because of you.

[big narstie 1701]

its funny that u believe peoples heads work that way

[ToenailTickler 290]

This could lead to really stupid ban reports(Or blacklist reports). But it is a step in an okay direction.... ish. 

[Alan 1815]

I see a lot of people asking for clarification on what a villain should or should not do. While I think it's a bit disappointing that we're still at that stage in our server where people have to ask that question, I'd say it's wise and better to know for sure. When we create the blacklist thread, you can be sure that we'll include a general guide on villainy that should more than suit the question of "What can I do to ensure I don't get blacklisted?". It won't be terribly long and in-depth though, because we'll expect that a certain amount of common sense will be needed in order to be a good villain anyways.

 

And, in case anyone was wondering, we will ideally try and take experience into consideration. We will be much more likely to blacklist a "veteran" player that has had months if not years on this server to develop their villainy RP than a new player that is only just getting the groove of things. In fact, it would take a very significant breach of conduct for us to even consider blacklisting a new player, and at that point they'd probably just be banned anyways. I wouldn't say it's much to worry about, but I guess we'll have to see how it goes!

[A Spooky Witch 156]

On this rare occasion I agree with the Waldian. That said, I personally think the system we've had with zero va's or blacklists of the sort worked fine for months all through summer and before that as well. If it isn't broken or lacking I really don't see the point in even trying to fix something that is fine to start off with. Furthermore if you wanted to regulate it in the first place this should have been started then, rather then now, why sit on something for months, realize it works, then once again re-lay restrictions after a small minority of the community demands it?. Yet another issue with this is that it goes against the players freedoms to non-nonchalantly rp what they wish, assuming proposed rules are as black and white as they appear. 

 

Discuss this stuff with the community, as I for one was kind of blindsided by this as it seems to have come from nowhere

 

It was broken, and it isn't a "small minority" of the server that cries for change. It's the loudest ones that fight against it. Ever since the removal of VA's yeah it's been a bit more free, but it's also been on a slow (mind you slow) and steady decline.

 

If their alt accounts are found doing this, expect their temporary Blacklisting to become much more permanent, just like ban evading on alt accounts extends the duration of your ban.

 

I am in agreement.  We are not a RP server like we claim, we are RPG-PVP and I believe we have lost sight of the fact that we are degrading the RP experience.  Our plugins focus on improving either RPG or PVP, or both, but we have very little that supports improving RP itself, it's just shiney fancy things we don't REALLY need.  Even the magic plugin is just to facilitate PVP on a supposedly RP server, so I have to ask if RP is really what some people have come to this server for?

 

That's why I joined..

 

 

Yeah sure this MIGHT restrict things, but I mean if people don't read up on guides and just go around trolling, then this'll be a surefire way to help fix that issue. As for those who think just everyone will call for a blacklist on a villain, I'm sure that the GM's and such know when to hand out the BL and when it's just a silly butthurt player :/

 

 

Just shut the **** up.

 

Holy f*cking shyte you lot can philosophize, banter, and sh*t on each others' laps quicker than dogs with the runs.

 

First off, quit sitting here philosophizing as if you are Immanuel Kant about 'roleplay quality!' when half of you fail to understand that the only method in improving roleplay is becoming better at writing and fleshing out fiction. I might just do an Amazon competition where one lucky cat gets a book from Penguin Classics, be it Brothers Karamazov or 20,000 Leagues under the Sea. Stop complaining about blacklists and food plugins that 'f-f-focus on RPG or PvP elements!' and learn to write integrating and immersive stories.

 

Second off, thank you Rittsy for taking the player feedback. Lord of the Craft has always had an experimental streak within itself. This is on a test run as Rittsy hisself bloody well said and hopefully it proves fruitful! I do agree that raid leader VAs should be introduced as it puts a heavy burden on a specific player for responsibility for his crew, but this is a start and a good one at that.

 

Third off, translating 'minas or die' into 'orcish blah' is pretty petty of a lowblow. I mean, if you want to trade lowblows, are you willing to actually stomach the Roger Ebert-like critique that any one of us can throw at you and your folks? Stop lobbing and start understanding each other. The blacklist will make short order of folks that are truly abusive, so sit back and let the moderators moderate.

 

 

This. A little intensely worded, but this.

 

 

 

All agreements aside though, I'm honestly relieved that they finally listened to a good size of the server and implemented something like this. For me it isn't about how well someone can roleplay (i.e type and come up with stuff), it's about the way I feel as my character while something terrible is happening like a robbery. How am I supposed to take villiany seriously when someone just comes up to me and spouts off the usual you-know-what in an obviously trolly manner? Don't get me wrong, I don't call out bad villian RP like I should, but I swear the minas or die crap would have had me walking away if it wasn't for the PVP default. But this isn't about that I guess. I suppose I just want to be able to take the person seriously at the other end of their keyboard. I take mine moderately seriously, it'd be nice if others did the same as well and with this system, maybe they will.

[knightly11 | lotc_fox 111]

Damn, didn't see this coming. Seems alright on paper, but I guess we'll see how it turns out.

[ski_king3 0]

I am in agreement.  We are not a RP server like we claim, we are RPG-PVP and I believe we have lost sight of the fact that we are degrading the RP experience.  Our plugins focus on improving either RPG or PVP, or both, but we have very little that supports improving RP itself, it's just shiney fancy things we don't REALLY need.  Even the magic plugin is just to facilitate PVP on a supposedly RP server, so I have to ask if RP is really what some people have come to this server for?

 

LotC is an RP-RPG server and a staff member really ought to know this. Mechanics are a part of roleplay just as emotes are on this server, as has been the case for quite some time. I believe Rittsy (although it could have been someone else) made an announcement thread explaining this within the past year. I really think you should ask him to link it to you so you can take a look, as it wouldn't be surprising for you to not have seen it given you were gone for quite some time.

 

Hopefully this didn't come off as too abrasive or aggressive, as that wasn't my intent.

[GodEmperorFlam 3447]

You saying uruks suck at banditry? There is Rp reasoning behind every time we collect tribute for the spirits. 

 

There may be reasoning /behind/ the banditry, but it doesn't mean the bandits don't suck at banditry. I've already suggested this on a separate thread, but add some RP to the banditry. Add orc culture, explain why you're banditing, ****, anything to make it more than "Tribute ur flatz" which is minas or die incarnate.

 

Edit: Gaius, I translated it into blah because with the orcs gaining activity and members thanks to Burke's assistant making events and whatnot, orc raiders on the main road are more prevalent. I don't mind being bandited as long as the RP is more than a one liner and then PvP.

[ACanadianCraft (Nate) 682]

This is a great idea.

The list should be public.

[Alan 1815]

LotC is an RP-RPG server and a staff member really ought to know this. Mechanics are a part of roleplay just as emotes are on this server, as has been the case for quite some time. I believe Rittsy (although it could have been someone else) made an announcement thread explaining this within the past year. I really think you should ask him to link it to you so you can take a look, as it wouldn't be surprising for you to not have seen it given you were gone for quite some time.

 

Hopefully this didn't come off as too abrasive or aggressive, as that wasn't my intent.

 

He's not saying we're officially RPG-PVP, he's saying it's his opinion that what we've become such a server, whether intentionally or unintentionally. I can only say this for him because Menarra and I have talked about this recently, and although we both agree that our server's "focus" is on RP, it's up for debate whether or not we are in a true "RP-RPG" state. It's a large part of the reason that we're trying to make changes like this which encourage better and stronger RP, but we'll have to see how it works out.

[ski_king3 0]

He's not saying we're officially RPG-PVP, he's saying it's his opinion that what we've become such a server, whether intentionally or unintentionally. I can only say this for him because Menarra and I have talked about this recently, and although we both agree that our server's "focus" is on RP, it's up for debate whether or not we are in a true "RP-RPG" state. It's a large part of the reason that we're trying to make changes like this which encourage better and stronger RP, but we'll have to see how it works out.

 

Fair enough. I won't pretend like I know for sure what Menarra thinks or wants for the server, or the direction the staff is trying to take right now. I just thought there was a subtext in his post that was contradictory to the "official" classification of this server as set by the staff, so I mentioned it. However, you certainly have a better understanding of Menarra's point than I do, so I'll take your word for it.

[Space 2335]

Just shut the **** up.

 

Holy f*cking shyte you lot can philosophize, banter, and sh*t on each others' laps quicker than dogs with the runs.

 

First off, quit sitting here philosophizing as if you are Immanuel Kant about 'roleplay quality!' when half of you fail to understand that the only method in improving roleplay is becoming better at writing and fleshing out fiction. I might just do an Amazon competition where one lucky cat gets a book from Penguin Classics, be it Brothers Karamazov or 20,000 Leagues under the Sea. Stop complaining about blacklists and food plugins that 'f-f-focus on RPG or PvP elements!' and learn to write integrating and immersive stories.

 

Second off, thank you Rittsy for taking the player feedback. Lord of the Craft has always had an experimental streak within itself. This is on a test run as Rittsy hisself bloody well said and hopefully it proves fruitful! I do agree that raid leader VAs should be introduced as it puts a heavy burden on a specific player for responsibility for his crew, but this is a start and a good one at that.

 

Third off, translating 'minas or die' into 'orcish blah' is pretty petty of a lowblow. I mean, if you want to trade lowblows, are you willing to actually stomach the Roger Ebert-like critique that any one of us can throw at you and your folks? Stop lobbing and start understanding each other. The blacklist will make short order of folks that are truly abusive, so sit back and let the moderators moderate.

 

Self righteousness is a hell of a thing, eh Gaius?

[Samson Option 9652]

Self righteousness is a hell of a thing, eh Gaius?

And this is the problem with the internet, you want to play a Chambyses and say 'mu-muh opinion' one minute and then 'self-righteous you are!' the other. Well, let me split this head off of this parasite that you've been towards me since joining and hope you'll regrow the 'opinions matter' one. ;)

 

I've always wondered if there is like an age-range for restraining orders because you really have an erotic desire to love on me. Regardless though Space, keep loving because as Dave Chapelle once said:

[Space 2335]

And this is the problem with the internet, you want to play a Chambyses and say 'mu-muh opinion' one minute and then 'self-righteous you are!' the other. Well, let me split this head off of this parasite that you've been towards me since joining and hope you'll regrow the 'opinions matter' one. ;)

 

Cambyses*

 

 

but at least admit that the GMs oddly enough have been doing what folks collectively to a certain extent have been begging and requesting and yet some lads are still sh*ting on them.

 

If you don't question changes you won't be able to fix anything. I like the new blacklist, but people who don't still get to talk. I don't think it's me that is accepting of others opinions.

[Samson Option 9652]

Cambyses*

Both spellings I've seen proper and you are a nice lad, but at least admit that the GMs oddly enough have been doing what folks collectively to a certain extent have been begging and requesting and yet some lads are still sh*ting on them. Whether it is warhead's proper prior notices about server being down or the Villainy Blacklist and new Admin upgrade of Cappy lol. Just a little breathing room for these folks would be awesome, I can speak from experience before my infamous Ben Bernanke ;)

 

PS: Yes yes, spit the hot 'questioning!' philosophy but you typically wait to question until after the experiment is over. It takes awhile to see if spinach leaves lose oxygen in room light or under an intense lamp. Biology Basics Lab for the win!