A Thorough Explanation (Very Long Post)

[Moot 1719]

1) acknowledge your faults.

2) Fix the problem, dont go on about how targetted you are.

1) In the op, it clearly states what went wrong.

2) In the op, it clearly states that my offer stands to resolve the problem.

 

 

And taking the village we've been working on since the start of Vailor is the way to resolve the issue? What bothers me most is that no staff member will acknowledge that telling us to start over isn't the right course of action. Sure, it's the rules, but why are the rules there in the first place if they only piss people off and complicate RP for OOC reasons?

I implore you to read the entire post. This shouldn't even be a factor, considering the offer I've given three times now.

On TS the first time, in the second skype chat I was added to, and this post. Ura literally said the same thing in his own post.

 

Edit: Cmack, your original paragraph contradicts your second. You demonize Staff for making you rebuild, and when it's confirmed that's not true, you cross your arms and say "well we dont wanna".

[cmack1028 549]

1) In the op, it clearly states what went wrong.

2) In the op, it clearly states that my offer stands to resolve the problem.

 

 

I implore you to read the entire post. This shouldn't even be a factor, considering the offer I've given three times now.

On TS the first time, in the second skype chat I was added to, and this post. Ura literally said the same thing in his own post.

 

We don't want your World Edit. We're NOT rebuilding.

 

Edit in response: Frankly Moot, I don't care. None of us do. All we wanted was to peacefully RP in our village on our island, and even something as simple as that is too much to ask. Our location was great. Our roleplay was great. Our activity was not. You're seizing our home (1% of the entire map) for OOC reasons and I'm not lifting a finger to redesign a village, world edit or not, when what we had was perfect.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

1) In the op, it clearly states what went wrong.

2) In the op, it clearly states that my offer stands to resolve the problem.

"What went wrong" isn't acknowledging what you did you make your playerbase mad. All I see in the OP is you saying how attacked you were by various members of the halfling community in the skype chat, how you got sick, and how you failed to communicate with Urasept.

 

I'm still not justifying volatile attitudes on either side and obviously no one can fault you for getting sick, that said;

 

The first step to better relations is to state that you understand how the other side is mad and instead of that all this is is just painting how everything went wrong because the stars werent' aligned, and how rude those other guys are, effectively attempting to damage their credibility.

 

Oh, also ask yourself these following questions:

 

1) Who is the victim if the halflings get their own village?

 

2) Is enforcing this arbitrary activity rule worth it given the fact the staff has (once again) pissed off a large chunk of the players? (albeit not VA levels of outrages)

 

3) Since the obvious answer to question 1 is "no one", is enforcing a rule just for the sake of enforcing a rule really benefitting anyone?

 

4) Why aren't halflings a racial nation? They got their own racial city like orcs, elves and dwarves in every other map before this one. They're a tolkien-race staple just like elves, dwarves and orcs. (I dont buy this 'they're half-breeds so not an actual race' bs, thats weak and we all know it.)

[Moot 1719]

"What went wrong" isn't acknowledging what you did you make your playerbase mad. All I see in the OP is you saying how attacked you were by various members of the halfling community in the skype chat, how you got sick, and how you failed to communicate with Urasept.

 

I'm still not justifying volatile attitudes on either side and obviously no one can fault you for getting sick, that said;

 

The first step to better relations is to state that you understand how the other side is mad and instead of that all this is is just painting how everything went wrong because the stars werent' aligned, and how rude those other guys are, effectively attempting to damage their credibility

 

Art I don't want to sit here, trying to pick apart your post, but...

 

 

I understand what you're trying to say, and what you mean - But all of this has been clarified in the op, and my comment to Heff. Me being sick has nothing to do with it, aside from not being able to handle this sooner, nor am I offended with how nayone has acted in Skype.

If you didn't read Ura's post, he apologized for going over the teams head, I'm unsure of how much more "oops i did something bad" he could make it.

This isn't about who was right, or who was wrong; I made this post to clarify what went wrong, and to be transparent.

[Hiebe 2493]

If they dont want to then whats the issue here? Remove and forget and wait for them to come back like most others do anyways

[501warhead 1796]

Hey!

 

I'm a Neutral party. I'm not involved with either side! I personally vouched for the Halflings when it was discussed but in the end it's not really my decision and I left it to the staff teams to handle.

 

So, as a Neutral Party, here you go on my opinions.

 

1. The Halflings haven't really done any harm being inactive on a random strip of land. This is my opinion, mind you, and I mentioned it a few times. At the beginning, I was curious as to why the decision was made.
2. However, since the events that occurred the Halflings have reacted absolutely terribly to the decision.
   
   We get you're mad. We understand you're mad - but here's the thing getting mad doesn't solve problems. It never will, it only leads to more problems than before. Again, I'm a neutral party, I was never in these skype chats or ts chats and I didn't have a hand in any decision. From what I've seen, the attitude and behavior of the halfling community to this warrants nothing. It's pretty hard to defend you guys. Each time you attacked a staff member, pulled out honestly preposterous rumors and slander it got harder and harder to actually make a case for you - you made yourself look like right assholes.

Again, before you rile up on me this is what your actions have left a neutral staff member thinking. This is just from observing staff chats and seeing the things you say - perhaps they may be out of context... but, given the terminology you used, the self-righteous attitude, and the heavy amount of swearing - I lean toward the idea that it doesnt matter what context it's in. You handled the situation poorly. While at the same time it obviously seems clear there are issues on the staff's end of things the actions taken by the halflings were poor, to say the least.

 

These are my two cents. Still neutral, just putting in some thoughts.

[zaezae 1098]

From what I understood, the reason for the activity checks was to prevent the "Everyone has their own town that they don't use."

[Parkins 550]

 

And to those that haven't ever played a halfling and don't understand, burrowing (making hobbit holes) is one of the most irritating and difficult things to do in survival. Halflings built their whole village from scratch, burrows and everything, and then get it ripped from them. Three halflings know how to properly make burrows, that being myself, Matt011011 and Dalek348. After this fiasco, none of us have any desire to continue burrowing in survival on the server. We lost a village once for OOC reasons, we're not going to put effort in again on this map. Sorry.

 

 

As a Necromancer who loves to dig sprawling underground bases, I know exactly what this is like. Again, you aren't special snowflakes, other people have these problems and deal with them.

 

Thank you Moot for the explanation of things, I only wish it would stop the spam and ****posting.

[Sorsby 123]

Being an Admin or a GM puts you in the firing line for peoples vented frustration, this should be acknowledged by all who even apply for the role, so what I don't understand is why every single time the GM's or whoever makes a decision that is likely to piss off a bunch of people, they immediately curl up and begin to cry at the thought of confrontation.

 

If you cannot handle confrontation whether it be private or public then you are simply not fit to be a staff member, it's that simple really. Another GM requirement is sound judgement, something seemingly every one of you lack, rules need not be blanketed server-wide without regard, use your best judgement for what is best in that situation. Lastly, there needs to be accountability, stop passing blame like school kids, someone must make the final decisions so just man up, do it and then admit you did it later on.

 

Now to the shenanigans,

 

Firstly, this whole Halfling business is so incredibly dumb it is unreal, just drop the thing and move on, why is there even any discussion on destroying anything or moving anything, activity quotas are dumb and so is the resulting forfeit when you become inactive. Secondly, Halflings have always been a small secluded sometimes inactive and quiet race, this is just how it is, people generally float in and out of Halfling life because that is what is attractive about it. To try and change that by making their lives much harder will just drive everyone away from the race and is dumb, special treatment is really just a non issue with such a small race and anyone with a problem with a halfling fast travel or the like is really just a small kid crying about his shorter list of amenities which he thinks he deserves for choosing a bland race full of other greedy kids. Thirdly, unban Dalek348, even if you think he is corrosive or however stupidly you put it, that lad has the nuts and brains to call people on dumb decisions and you should value that ability rather than scorn and silence it, he's a long standing member with a history of being absolutely correct about almost everything and you should really be rewarding him for his undying effort throughout the years.

 

Time to get real and stop acting like the kings and queens of the sandbox.

 

edit:

For those silly kids who keep referring to Halfling concerns and genuine discussion as shitposting and spam, how about you stop practicing what you're preaching you utter morons, whether this offends your pretty forum feed or not we don't care, we will discuss things until it is sorted, for that is how adults handle things.

 

Parkins mate since the dawn of time little necromancer groups have been bundling about trying to be all scary and it rarely ever becomes more than an undead copycat group so I'd go as far as saying you deserve whatever issues befall you, whereas Halflings have 100x the depth of your little dead man walking act.

[Eranikus 348]

We don't want your World Edit. We're NOT rebuilding.

 

Edit in response: Frankly Moot, I don't care. None of us do. All we wanted was to peacefully RP in our village on our island, and even something as simple as that is too much to ask. Our location was great. Our roleplay was great. Our activity was not. You're seizing our home (1% of the entire map) for OOC reasons and I'm not lifting a finger to redesign a village, world edit or not, when what we had was perfect.

 

Sorry Mack, love ya to death, but he's literally offered to pick your entire village up and place it WHEREVER ELSE YOU GET LAND, and you're throwing it back in his face. No matter how you look at it, that sounds like you wouldn't want the help even if he's giving it to you. It makes you look stubborn and bullheaded, and that doesn't make well for trying to resolve an issue. Trust me, I know. Bullheaded is kinda my thing.

[Cpt_Noobman 1954]

Thank you staff members, for running this server and doing your best to make fair decisions. 

[Sorsby 123]

Sorry Mack, love ya to death, but he's literally offered to pick your entire village up and place it WHEREVER ELSE YOU GET LAND, and you're throwing it back in his face. No matter how you look at it, that sounds like you wouldn't want the help even if he's giving it to you. It makes you look stubborn and bullheaded, and that doesn't make well for trying to resolve an issue. Trust me, I know. Bullheaded is kinda my thing.

 

Love you to death buddy but surely you see the pointlessness of any world edit move when in fact it could just remain in exactly the same place requiring... hang on let me calculate this, square root of -1 to the power of 69... approximately 0 effort +/- 0.000000001 brain power points.

 

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Clench up staff members, Cpt_Noobman is about with his puckered lips.

 

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Dalek's post pre-deletion, valid points yet again ignored becuase of inflated ego's.

 

It's a damning indication of GMs when they manage to stir up the most chill, peaceful and unobtrusive race on the server into an angry mob on the forums - and then indeed to have the cheek to then play the victims on the forum. Own up to your disparaging comments, your degrading attitudes and your inability to co-operate with real people outside of your Skype chat. I'm tired of the constant character assassination card that's always pulled against the name Dalek348, you have to make posts to counter my logical points and arguments - not give me your woe-is-me's about how I swore at you one time.

 

The policy is dumb, it's obvious. It doesn't mean, however, that you just follow through with it anyway. This is actual people you're dealing with. You can't continue to see the server through graphs, quotas, rules and regulations as you do. The whole system is fundamentally wrong, unless you can (it would be a first) actually explain to me face to face why it is a good thing, or indeed explain to the new players playing halflings that you just accepted onto this server a matter of weeks ago. I would admire the integrity of any GM that would do that.

 

I have to say that I cannot imagine a situaiton like this occurring under shiftnative, or with drplat as GM. Those people understood the virtues on what the server was built on, and knew more than anyone how halflings encapsulate everything that is good about the server. They would hate to see such a great thing be dismantled in the name of quotas and systems and regulations.

 

I would say about 95% of the server is against your decision, and yet a majority of GMs voted in favour of it. Should we not be worried about this? Such a huge majority so disconnected from the reality of the server. I do hope you're satisfied with what you have accomplished.

 

[Heff 2460]

It's a damning indication of GMs when they manage to stir up the most chill, peaceful and unobtrusive race on the server into an angry mob on the forums - and then indeed to have the cheek to then play the victims on the forum. Own up to your disparaging comments, your degrading attitudes and your inability to co-operate with real people outside of your Skype chat. I'm tired of the constant character assassination card that's always pulled against the name Dalek348, you have to make posts to counter my logical points and arguments - not give me your woe-is-me's about how I swore at you one time.

The policy is dumb, it's obvious. It doesn't mean, however, that you just follow through with it anyway. This is actual people you're dealing with. You can't continue to see the server through graphs, quotas, rules and regulations as you do. The whole system is fundamentally wrong, unless you can (it would be a first) actually explain to me face to face why it is a good thing, or indeed explain to the new players playing halflings that you just accepted onto this server a matter of weeks ago. I would admire the integrity of any GM that would do that.

I have to say that I cannot imagine a situaiton like this occurring under shiftnative, or with drplat as GM. Those people understood the virtues on what the server was built on, and knew more than anyone how halflings encapsulate everything that is good about the server. They would hate to see such a great thing be dismantled in the name of quotas and systems and regulations.

I would say about 95% of the server is against your decision, and yet a majority of GMs voted in favour of it. Should we not be worried about this? Such a huge majority so disconnected from the reality of the server. I do hope you're satisfied with what you have accomplished.

What is the point of pasting it anywhere else? Seriously, what's the importance of our little peninsula?

[LPT 771]

TL;DR GM lives matter

[zaezae 1098]

You know. I get fatigued reading through this all. So basically I'll boil it down to what I see. A group of players isn't getting special treatment and is being held to the same standard as everyone else. In spite of that, they are offered speshul treatment, and they refuse it. They refuse something that, had players just actually take a moment and realize that they don't get to make the rules, and that if they had just played along, taken the WE, it would have literally have resulted in just an incy bincy bump in their RP that hardly was even happening to begin with. Ignoring the fact that they could get a fast travel like everyone else. But no, let's choose to be stubborn so that the whole ordeal creates a major problem for our RP and then blame it on staff as if they owe us something.

 

Let's not ignore the fact that by being so stubborn, certain players are actually blocking the ease of new halfling players from joining. Because muh princpiles, muh anger.

 

I honestly hope the staff doesn't budge an inch. Why? Not any reason about the actual problem. Oh no. I don't want policy to be based off how violently a small group of players shouts and calls people names. I was fine with the criticism to begin with from the halflings. I sympathized with you. However, there comes a point where, when you're using someone elses services, you just say. "hey, you're offering me help. I'll take it so I can get this behind us so much faster and not spend my entire day fuming over the forums because now I have to walk to this new cord to the same exact village I had before."

 

 

Seriously, what's the importance of our little peninsula?

 

What an excellent question. What is so important about it? Why does it deserve special treatment for? What is the reaction so obtuse and stubborn?

 

Absolutely no doubt halfling RP is going to suffer because of a Jim Crow style 'Leaving'. Oh, it is already starting.