We Don't Trust You [Feedback]

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Just now, Aengoth said:

If you were one for communication you wouldn't consistently make an effort to hide content on the forums by frequently claiming harassment or having your friends on the team hide it for you.

Explain to me how I'm supposed to "communicate" back at posts like these:

 

https://gyazo.com/e961ee16144c8690e03c03bf3ac7556c

https://gyazo.com/abb64b925f04c6d3df306cc27ecdd555

https://gyazo.com/d7d8eaf43419106bbb069b8b550d7780

https://gyazo.com/e614d45344d43962b492513bf9f7d1d6

https://gyazo.com/4426de3dcec017e349a053382b07816e

 

These aren't feedback. They're aren't discussion. They're soundbites. Memes. Am I supposed to just accept the fact people are attacking me as a fact of life, and do nothing about it? No. Actually talk to me and air out your grievances with big boy words and I'll be happy to engage. If you just throw insults, biting one-liners and post derogatory pictures of something, then what do you expect to happen other than having your post hidden and being warned?

 

 

[Daisy 9736]

7 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

Mm. My concern is that the applications for Developers don't involve any sort of 'moderator'-esque questions or criteria. That being said, it's even more worrisome it's not worded anywhere publicly - as far as I can tell, at least.
 

'Out of context quoting'. I didn't feel like quoting the enormous paragraphs that was your message. I pasted the sections that mattered.
The situation was supposedly rectified by simply ignoring it and giving you a slap on the wrist, despite the countless claims that this isn't the first time you've done something such as this.
Though, for the sake of keeping on topic, that's all I wished to say. Just to clear that up.
 

 

First: It's a matter of convenience - we have all the pex and sometimes mod-requests that we can handle without 'moderating' are left sitting - we want to speed things up to help the players if we have free time. It would be kind of silly to disallow that, so it's always been an unwritten agreement. I personally don't do modreqs unless there's loads sitting that I can do without making moderation decisions.

 

Second: It was a minor infraction which I have not done before - mainly due to a misunderstanding. So things were cleared up among myself and my team members. If I did something like forum banned someone for no reason, or harassed someone, or spawned things in, then I guarantee there would be more severe repercussions.

[Dohvi 622]

5 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

The whole controversial ordeal where the lead Dev director handed out warning points even after FM verdicts.
Then the admins made no attempt to rectify the aftermath, and instead silently announced that Devs are capable of fulfilling Game Moderator duties.

I've handled that, because regardless of whether Devs can act as GMs, GMs can not act as FMs (anymore). That came with the change from Global Moderators to Game Moderators. I did not revoke the warnings themselves because they were given to players who posted on a ban report/appeal, which you should know not to do. I think you were only given a verbal warning because your post was trying to be helpful, but if you wish to discuss that with me you can. This isn't the place, obviously. 

 

2 minutes ago, Aengoth said:

If it wasn't for Dohvi accepting you back onto the Forum Team with minimal consideration after you were banned for breaking rules

Just want to clarify. I suspended him while he was banned, but because his ban had nothing to do with forum moderating/forum conduct he was never actually removed. I think that's a stance several (non-GM team) leads have taken in the past. 

[Chaw 964]

i love shitstorms

[Aengoth 2890]

1 minute ago, 吳憾戰士14 said:

Explain to me how I'm supposed to "communicate" back at posts like these:

 

https://gyazo.com/e961ee16144c8690e03c03bf3ac7556c

https://gyazo.com/abb64b925f04c6d3df306cc27ecdd555

https://gyazo.com/d7d8eaf43419106bbb069b8b550d7780

https://gyazo.com/e614d45344d43962b492513bf9f7d1d6

https://gyazo.com/4426de3dcec017e349a053382b07816e

 

These aren't feedback. They're aren't discussion. They're soundbites. Memes. Am I supposed to just accept the fact people are attacking me as a fact of life, and do nothing about it? No. Actually talk to me and air out your grievances with big boy words and I'll be happy to engage. If you just throw insults, biting one-liners and post derogatory pictures of something, then what do you expect to happen other than having your post hidden and being warned?

 

 

I think the large difference you seem to miss here is that you're one of the individuals who goes out of his way to hide and warn others because you believe that you have some higher moral ground over others. You did something cringey (and arguably against the rules) and people are always going to remember it and use it against you as a means of claiming you're incapable. This is not a unique situation you're in, infact most of the community has done something in the past that has put them under consistent fire nor are you being specifically persecuted. You're abusing your position as a means of giving yourself a high ground of those who oppose you unless they meet some made up standard you're imposing based on opinion rather then on standing rules. You don't look to meet people on equal ground when you abuse your staff position as a means of enforcing your beliefs.

Everybody gets ****, however not everybody goes out of their way to use staff pex to kick **** back harder.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

@Aengoth@Harold

 

I want to state, cards on the table, that I PM'd Dohvi about Harold's reply to me on this thread and asked if I was acceptable. But a few minutes later I went back on that call and asked Dohvi not to reprimand Harold for his comment.

 

I want to make something clear. If you want to talk to me, I will be happy to do so on any medium. If you want to point out my flaws or receive an explanation for anything you think I've done in the past which is questionable, I will be happy to explain myself.

 

But, if you're being blatantly insulting, ad hominem, posting biting one-liners, derogatory words, using memes and soundbites to degrade me, then I will report it to higher staff and get it handled, and I won't buy your attempts at justifying it.

 

You're both smart. You know the difference between criticism and shitposting/harrassment . Stop pretending you don't. You're free to throw the former my way, preferably over a private channel. You are not free to do the latter.

[Daisy 9736]

6 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

I understand. I just wanted to disclose the information of your response, as well as how the admins had handled it.
I felt like this information should be accessible to everyone. Unwritten duties would obviously lead to confusion; as you can see by a majority of this situation.

Simply an opinion on the matter, nothing more. It shouldn't be taken to heart (Not saying it is); I'm not trying to stab anyone here.

 

I'll try to improve the documentation on our information thread.

[Gallic 1066]

I don't know what the heck is going on here; I stopped reading at about page five. But, I do want to say...

 

Holy cow, really? Trying to say that because evidence wasn't shown, it's fake? I was indirectly involved in one of the claims against Pyro, and the reason that the evidence wasn't shown was because if it was, it would have been directly linked back to the person reporting him. And if a staff member is being accused of abusing their position, why would somebody want to have the abusive staff member they're accusing knowing who they are? That would be a horrible decision.

 

It should tell you what sort of things he was being accused of, not that the admins are biased and straight up making things up to pee in your koolaid or something. Then again, it's not surprising that you'd jump to pulling out things like this when the guy is your nation leader.

 

I'll say the same thing I said the last time I responded to a topic like this. I'm not even involved, really. I don't hate Oren, I'm not at war with them... The closest I've gotten to this is getting my hands a little dirty in reporting Pyro for something. Which, by the way, was a legitimate report. And Tahmas wasn't even involved.

[Nathan_Barnett36 1564]

Just now, Harold said:

 

I have every right to call you out here for using me as an excuse to degrade other players and player groups by making memes about cancer and, and in the case of ww2buff99, dogs, - in which nobody has ever been properly reprimanded or banned for. You included. Just because you're staff should not mean you are excluded from this rule of harrassment you make up to defend yourself with.

 

This is /you/ trying to justify your actions against me as proxy. It's to divert attention away from the things /you/ have done. 


I've refrained from posting any of this, and why becomes evidently clear when you say you were in a call with the Head of the Forum Moderators after I posted the reply which is very much warranted. You wish to use me as a defence, I get to defend myself. That you were discussing what to do with me, for defending myself against you, and your horrific cancer memes and dog references is one of the reasons I wish to do this in public eye.

 

If Dohvi wants to discuss this with me, I will oblige willingly, but seeing as you have had your hand in this already, it might be time to get the admins involved if this goes any further. 

Nobody cares about your history with Leo and how bad you think he is. This thread is about Pyro's removal from gm, not how you get warning points.

[Hiebe 2493]

Too bad this is a private mc server and they can do what they want. 

 

I'm all for protecting the person reporting the harassment.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

2 minutes ago, Harold said:

I have every right to call you out here for using me as an excuse to degrade other players and player groups by making memes about cancer, and in the case of ww2buff99, dogs, - in which nobody has ever been properly reprimanded or banned for. You included. Just because you're staff should not mean you are excluded from this rule of harrassment you make up to defend yourself with.

 

This is /you/ trying to justify your actions against me as proxy. It's to divert attention away from the things /you/ have done. 

I've refrained from posting any of this, and why becomes evidently clear when you say you were in a call with the Head of the Forum Moderators after I posted the reply which is very much warranted. You wish to use me as a defence, I get to defend myself. That you were discussing what to do with me, for defending myself against you, and your horrific cancer memes and dog references is one of the reasons I wish to do this in public eye.

 

If Dohvi wants to discuss this with me, I will oblige willingly, but seeing as you have had your hand in this already, it might be time to get the admins involved if this goes any further. 

You're really milking my post on that one thread for all its worth. "Horrific". Really? I apologize for traumatizing you. My cancer remark got me a warning, actually, which is on my record. A warning which I accepted as warranted as I knew going in it was going to be questionable and did it anyway, that I own up to and recognize my fault. However, using the phrase 'fennic dog' was literally a generic moniker I slapped on to replace it with as its literally one of the most common and generic racist slurs out there. The association between ww2buff and the word "dog" literally did not occur to me in the slightest, and no matter how much you choose not to believe me, I will stand by that until I die. If it bothers you that much, I will go back and change it to "Fennic scum".

 

Infact, I'll go do that now.

There, done. See for yourself. Apologies for the mishap.

 

You were forum banned for those posts you made about me but unbanned on the condition you acknowledged they were harrassment and ensured they did not continue. When Dohvi informed me of this I readily agreed. I don't care if you're banned, I only want you to stop targeting me. However, you seem to be actively justifying those posts of yours as being somehow the right thing to do.

 

If you want to actually talk about anything I've done (beyond that one post) then feel free to add me on skype at leowarrior14. Beyond that, all I ask is you learn the difference between criticism and harrasment. Criticism is detailed. It highlights facts and specifies what was done wrong. Harrassment is vague, it attacks the person himself, its designed to hurt, not address issues.

[FlemishSupremacy 6115]

3 hours ago, Esterlen said:

Anyone is allowed to MCly run from RP. The pursuers must simply give chase and down the runner mechanically to then resume RP. Not only this is plainly written in the rules, several GMs, including GM manager Beast720 have enforced this as a viable tactic in the past when players got disgruntled about people bolting from them MCly. Are GMs suddenly held to a different ruleset than regular players now? Or is this just admins manipulating unwritten expectations to justify removing someone who wasn’t part of the echo chamber?

Wasn't there a rule update surrounding this making it so that running from rp is a bannable offence, due to it being rather hard to down someone who's running, especially in 1.9+ pvp.

[Ambduscias 1028]

2 hours ago, Jake! said:

Fucked up the management of the warclaim and nearly got it delayed 12 days before brules saved his ass.

 

Let me dispel with the fiction that was Thomas' fault. If anything it was my fuckup as I was still on hiatus and didn't demand an answer from the admin team as to if it would still be ongoing when they said to hold off.

 

I'm not even going to bother responding to Buff because his comments are baseless shitposting poorly disguised as some kind of elightened knowledge on the inner workings of the staff team and all their pro-Oren plots. Past that, I find it funny we use the fact that Pyro was trying to ensure that people that did not RP and had been fighting against him out of character for the best part of a year and a half did not lead the military of the Dwarves as a reason to remove.

 

 

1 hour ago, Kowaman said:

Second: It was a minor infraction which I have not done before - mainly due to a misunderstanding. So things were cleared up among myself and my team members. If I did something like forum banned someone for no reason, or harassed someone, or spawned things in, then I guarantee there would be more severe repercussions.

 

Not to go wildly off topic, but you do in fact have a notable history of intervening as a moderator where your assistance is most certainly not needed. You continually have served to further your own agenda and act exceptionally petty when someone brings the matter up, in the same vein as your respectable "comment" you addressed to the moderation team yesterday. 

 

Don't try to play the innocent victim and continually claim that everything is "water under the bridge" or a "misunderstanding." Overstepping your authority has been a great deal of what you've done since you became TT lead. 

[Praetor 1550]

+1

 

The general administration of this server hasn't been competent since the early days back in 2011. The people who control the server are just a bunch of kids and teenagers. Chances are, most of them are those losers nobody liked in high school. So when they come home, they log onto their skype and forums and suddenly they feel powerful, and they decide that they like that.

 

Then come along people who actually have something of worth to say, but these young ones on powertrips can't take that, because they want to be the strong popular ones in at least one place in their lives.

 

Rampant bias and shitty decisions have been a thing since the beginning of it all. There's a massive ******* list of favoritism and general bullshittery. From Urasept making Wode the VAT GM lead because she sucked his e-peen (litteraly), to this. When I was a Lore Master, the team was filled with a bunch of stuffy fuccbois who just wanted to maintain the status-quo and keep things static. Worst of all, half of them litteraly did NOTHING, but they stayed on the team for some reason.

 

When 501 rejoined the admin team and said that even though we hadn't seen him much had he been working behind the scenes? Bull ****. There's not an ounce of truth in that. Anybody who honestly believes that it wasn't a short skype conversation to re-affirm that he was still a 'part of the clique' is deluded. Only a small amount of players ever gain their position by merit. Most of them gain it because of what they think, who they align with, etc. 

 

Give control to a bunch of kids, watch the server be led by a bunch of kids.

[Shalashask 1112]

I'm not sure why people seem so surprised at all of the staff corruption and unprofessional acts. This problem isn't just exclusive to LotC but pretty much any other game server, especially minecraft ones. Moderator and admin positions have always been dominated by community college students or fast food/minimum wage workers. These people will achieve very little with their lives and hold no power over anyone. An easy way to compensate for this is to seek out pseudo-positions of power, i.e admin on a minecraft server. If you expect these kinds of people to behave professionally then you are a fool.