Pyro's Intervention in RP

[El Ricktador 1394]

The Administration team has been popularly thought of in the context of the hostility between itself and the Empire of Oren. To be more specific, they are viewed as a regressive clique of “career staff members” who are allegedly anti-Orenian with the general goal “to preserve the status quo as much as possible.” While this view may be popular with many individuals, it does nothing to reveal the reality of the character of those who made the posts. There have been many popular posts made in outrage against the staff for intervening in dynamic roleplay but there have not been many that lambast the individuals who wrote them.

Vegetarianism is a player of the community that has become more synonymous with anti-Orenian movements and rebellious sentiments than Narthok or even DPM; however, I believe he is most recognized as the guy who had land sniped through staff bureaucracy (I can use this word too) a multitude of times. He has been forcibly robbed of his land with Courland in Vailor, allegedly some land in Lorraine, and arguably some land in the old Dreadlands when my deal fell through with @pb and james when he was removed from power for no apparent reason that I could see. This shows that Vege is no stranger to getting his land taken from him through OOC avenues. It also shows the predisposition Vege has to getting his land taken away OOCly. These past incidents should be indicators for what the administration’s next course of action should be. There are two reasons why you should not answer Pyro’s pleas for staff intervention.

The first reason that Pyro’s plea for staff intervention should not be answered is because of the image that he linked of his Skype chat with Wolfie.

One can see that his conversation with Wolfie clearly states that Pyro would receive the land when he was “done with it.” In other words, if Pyro were to receive the land then it would not be until Wolfie fully decided to hand it over or when his time ran up. However, something else occurred before Pyro was able to be given the land. This event that transpired changed the course of things and led to the land being handed to GGT and Vege. The situation was described in the image below by GGT in a post he made within the thread.

According to GGT, he asked Wolfie (the region owner of the land at that time) if the region owner perms being given to him made RP sense to which GGT claims Wolfie responded with yes. Additionally, it is important to note that GGT states that there were no imperial guards occupying the fort but there were Felsen Watch mercenaries (his cringey mercenary group).

The evidence above contradicts the reasoning for Pyro’s call for admin intervention in which he claims that the land “isn’t wolfie’s to give anymore” since “RPly its in the imperial hands” and a “revolt from this region wouldn’t be legitimate.” GGT’s post reveals that the land was given to him legitimately and that the region owner of the land in question transferred ownership to him. To hammer the point that the land was given legitimately even further into the ground, the nation leader rule additions that Tsuyose implemented also say that any denial to be removed from the land in question would initiate an immediate open rebellion.

This means that region must be placed into open rebellion since Pyro is wanting GGT and Vege removed from the region.
 
The second reason that Pyro’s pleas for staff intervention should not be answered is because he doesn’t want you to get involved in dynamic roleplay. The topic below will reveal to you all of the opinions that Pyro and Orenian leadership hold against admin intervention.

On 12/5/2016 at 11:15 PM, Pyro™ said:

Admins,

 

Please stop letting players use you as a crutch to avoid needing to roleplay their way out of dire situations.

 

Please stop delving into overly long legalistic technicalities and citing nonexistent precedents as an excuse to prevent any RP changes which don't sit with with people oocly.

 

Sincerely,

A good chunk of the GM team, and most of the playerbase.

 

On 12/5/2016 at 11:15 PM, Pyro™ said:

The admins need to stop putting their hand in almost every form of rp that has any impact on anyone. Dynamic rp that happens between large groups (I.e nations) is almost completely dead because now groups realize that they have the admins to lean on as a crutch whenever things don't go their way, or whenever they don't want to actually work to prevent bad things from happening in rp

 

On 12/5/2016 at 11:15 PM, Pyro™ said:

So in the end, instead of attempting to stem the tide of war upon them through ROLEPLAY, the kneejerk, immediate reaction was to have the Admins come in and put a complete stop to it, thus avoiding the need to capitulate to any terms of peace, or attempt any offerings of peace.

And this is from me to you, Pyro:
 

On 12/5/2016 at 11:15 PM, Pyro™ said:

Changes, shifts, impactful roleplay, those things only happen when you LET them happen

 

 

[Ambduscias 1028]

dark days ahead maybe no holy orenian empire.

[AGP 3169]

copyright AGiantPie Inc.

[Harri 4815]

This is being discussed with a few GMs and the Admins when they're around, please just hold on tight.

[Andustar 4143]

10 minutes ago, El Ricktador said:

He has been forcibly robbed of his land with Courland in Vailor

There was rp reason for it and the gms took it away due to him not being the official leader of the region, if that wasn't the case he never would have lost it.

[Vege 4804]

The only plus one I can give you is through words

[AGP 3169]

1 minute ago, Ended said:

There was rp reason for it and the gms took it away due to him not being the official leader of the region, if that wasn't the case he never would have lost it.

At the time there was no "primary region owner" type system. There was no such thing as being the 'official' leader of the region. He was one of several region owners.

[Tornaedo 1249]

He wasnt the official leader. Thats why it was taken away thats the RP reason. 

[Andustar 4143]

6 minutes ago, AGiantPie said:

At the time there was no "primary region owner" type system. There was no such thing as being the 'official' leader of the region. He was one of several region owners.

My mistake, thanks for the correction, though this whole thing about him losing land is wrong and Oren was hardly bending rules.

[ski_king3 0]

This is perhaps the most savage thing you have ever done, Ricky.

[Nathan_Barnett36 1564]

You hear that ******* pyro!!!! There will be punishment if you get admins to get his region!!!!!!!! Vege is telling the truth!

[AGP 3169]

6 minutes ago, Ended said:

My mistake, thanks for the correction, though this whole thing about him losing land is wrong and Oren was hardly bending rules.

Well I think it's clear that the decision on who got permissions to the land completely ignored the roleplay of the situation, which is what the 'admin intervention' thread complained about.

[Suicidium 1295]

11 minutes ago, Ended said:

There was rp reason for it and the gms took it away due to him not being the official leader of the region, if that wasn't the case he never would have lost it.

 

[chaotikal 2392]

Awww poor vegetarianism, such an innocent guiltfree victim.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

To be fair nothing came of those complaint threads Pyro/Oren made, the haelun'or coup in the end was still OOCly railroaded so the main rg owners were in charge, the dwarven artifacts were never given back to Oren after confiscated by the staff and so on.

 

So the question stands; why should this dynamic RP which we've all been striving for (and should be getting) now apply to courland when it never applied to Oren. It should apply to both equally and be implemented during a time in which its implementation doesn't deal a blow to either side.