On this OOC

[Birdnerdy 1539]

Leo summed up a lot of my opinions on this with his responses. Ever since I inherited the Kingdom of Haense, I have made a serious effort to keep things in roleplay. Most of the server's problems can be traced back to ooc feuds and nastiness, something I have participated in at different points. Since I've began keeping my affairs in rp, I can honestly say I've been enjoying the server for what it is, a place for active, dynamic rp. All I can really ask is that other people try and do the same. Get off ts, get off Skype, make your important decisions in rp, as your char would.

 

((rushed post from my phone, I may post more later

[Treshure 5817]

"These groups tried to kill us during the summer, so we're going to destroy every last settlement of theirs and complain on the forums if we are not afforded the DYNAMIC opportunity to ******* waste them"

 

"Lets separate IC from OOC, guys. Peace, love, happiness. lets not destroy johhanesburg or st. karlsburg, these are hubs of RP!"

 

hypocrisy ripe for the picking. perhaps let the debt be paid in full before you go all "woah there"

[Silverstatik 218]

2 minutes ago, Treshure said:

"These groups tried to kill us during the summer, so we're going to destroy every last settlement of theirs and complain on the forums if we are not afforded the DYNAMIC opportunity to ******* waste them"

 

"Lets separate IC from OOC, guys. Peace, love, happiness. lets not destroy johhanesburg or st. karlsburg, these are hubs of RP!"

 

hypocrisy ripe for the picking. perhaps let the debt be paid in full before you go all "woah there"

 

Circles go round and round, don't take the high ground cause no one has it here.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

1 minute ago, Treshure said:

"These groups tried to kill us during the summer, so we're going to destroy every last settlement of theirs and complain on the forums if we are not afforded the DYNAMIC opportunity to ******* waste them"

 

Replace 'summer' with 'fall' and that statement applies just as equally to the rebel coalition, lol.

 

As much as you try to pin all the blame on one side it's not going to happen. Both have the same mentality. Don't degrade this thread into finger pointing.

[Rammer 388]

58 minutes ago, pb and james said:

 

He lost his region to a 3 year old with no home grown support despite having the backing of at least 40 extremely active players and many more irregulars. He wasn't even allowed to keep one of his vassals keeps, despite having several who had owned the subregions and actively rp'd there. Since then he's never truly been given an opportunity to integrate, my own efforts to give him a chance in Azul ending up getting my regency of Lorraine revoked (that, and supporting Draeris for being heir ironically enough). The OOC persecution leads to stuff like that, and to having to fight if you have any ambition beyond being a wood elven rice farmer.

 

Naturally, he is no friend of the empire that forsakes him, and it's finally at a cost.

 

Yeah, I do not agree with how either situation happened. All I am saying is because even if you kill the character with those thoughts you still also have that person with ooc hatred towards that person.. Well yeah thinking more about it, it does come full circle I admit I was wrong. I do not feel like OOC hatred will ever not be a thing. As much as I'm sure everyone would like it to be. 

[seannie 7443]

well theres this thing call skype and it ******* sucks

[Naj 545]

1 hour ago, 吳憾戰士14 said:

 

Blaming one side perpetuates the problem. Remember that the communities Oren tore down in recent memory were torn down because they themselves tried to tear down Oren with the southern Axis coalition. The Orcs, the Warhawkes, etc. Was Oren responding by shitting on those respective groups a remotely permanent or effective solution? No, not at all as we can see right now. But it was just them perpetuating the cycle. Therefore you cannot place all the blame on Oren any more than you can place the blame on any other community.

 

That said, going out their way to ensure the orcs couldn't settle or warring on the dwarves frankly was pushing things too far. But again, that isn't an oren exclusive thing to do, as we can see much of the rebel coalition plans on doing the exact same thing now, just like they tried to do back in Vailor.

 

Don't try to pin the blame or the harrassment on either side, since it comes from both, and the cycle of perpetual warring and OOC hatred between the same two large chunks of people will only end in this same war igniting again in 2-3 months.

 

No..This traces back to the schism war and even before with a legit RP term 'exterminatus' where dwarves were legitimately considered to be the bane of the server by the populous of Oren. It was upon them to completely and utterly remove us from the server and has been in various other flings and fads to try to add a notch to the belt.

 

There is no blaming of one side or the other the problem started exactly in Oren no where else. Don't even begin to say otherwise. All that you see in this war is a response not only RPly but yes OOCly to the frustration of the consistent OOC imperialism seen in much of the core leader player base of the empire.

11 minutes ago, DPM said:

what the **** are you guys even arguing about lmao

 

have you not heard the rebel coalitions goals? it's not to destroy oren, karlsburg and everyone else lmao. all they want to do is abolish the empire and give everyone independent kingdoms/duchies

this too

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Just now, Joe / joenaj / Yemekar said:

No..This traces back to the schism war and even before with a legit RP term 'exterminatus' where dwarves were legitimately considered to be the bane of the server by the populous of Oren.

But the schism war was started by Aesterwald with Dwarven allies in which Oren was defending itself and really the dwarf-hate truly began in the great war in Anthos which was also started by dwarves. (Bare in mind, I fought AGAINST oren in BOTH those wars).

 

Again, am I saying Oren is blameless, no, they've abused their power to **** in the past and even near present but you insisting to your grave that our current situation is their fault and their fault alone is kind of part of the problem.

[Naj 545]

Just now, 吳憾戰士14 said:

But the schism war was started by Aesterwald with Dwarven allies in which Oren was defending itself and really the dwarf-hate truly began in the great war in Anthos which was also started by dwarves. (Bare in mind, I fought AGAINST oren in BOTH those wars).

 

Again, am I saying Oren is blameless, no, they've abused their power to **** in the past and even near present but you insisting to your grave that our current situation is their fault and their fault alone is kind of part of the problem.

I said its been since then. I did not say in the schism war. However, the most prominent ideas of total conquer of the dwarves began there and continued in more than evident situation where excuses would be made for the Empire to declare war on the dwarves. They have been subject to it for years now. 

 

Dwarves for one reason or another 'allegedly' **** up and suddenly the entirety of the empire is wanting to conquer their nation and impose rulers to eliminate the player base because they saw a snow elf in the city or we said something about yemekar's balance.

 

It is more than evidently clear that the feud happening between the two nations was fueled by the OOC want to conquer the dwarves and finally be rid of the problem that is their player base.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Just now, Joe / joenaj / Yemekar said:

Dwarves for one reason or another 'allegedly' **** up and suddenly the entirety of the empire is wanting to conquer their nation and impose rulers to eliminate the player base because they saw a snow elf in the city or we said something about yemekar's balance.

 

It is more than evidently clear that the feud happening between the two nations was fueled by the OOC want to conquer the dwarves and finally be rid of the problem that is their player base.

Yeah Oren's declared war on you for a lot of dumb reasons in the past but you've also declared war on them for a lot of dumb reasons in the past. Remember like half those million and one oren - dwarf wars since Anthos were started by the dwarves, schism war, 18 years war (debatable but there was certainly dwarf aggro which led to the war), etc.

 

The most recent dwarf - oren war is on oren, that much I will concede to you especially since you'd been at peace with the Northern Union treaty for months. But all in all over the last 3 years the aggro has honestly been about equal on both sides.

 

And this is coming from someone whos fought with the dwarves (anthos - athera) and with Oren (athera onwards) so I've seen both perspectives more or less.

[Naj 545]

Just now, 吳憾戰士14 said:

Yeah Oren's declared war on you for a lot of dumb reasons in the past but you've also declared war on them for a lot of dumb reasons in the past. Remember like half those million and one oren - dwarf wars since Anthos were started by the dwarves, schism war, 18 years war (debatable but there was certainly dwarf aggro which led to the war), etc.

 

The most recent dwarf - oren war is on oren, that much I will concede to you especially since you'd been at peace with the Northern Union treaty for months. But all in all over the last 3 years the aggro has honestly been about equal on both sides.

 

And this is coming from someone whos fought with the dwarves (anthos - athera) and with Oren (athera onwards) so I've seen both perspectives more or less.

 

 

I will say this here and now that in the many instances at which I've led a significant section of the dwarves I have found myself avoiding a war with Oren because they were searching for some reason to come and conquer us. 

 

This fact was EXTREMELY emphasized once Oren formed an Empire and has gotten worse and worse until now.

 

My time on this server has been spent fighting the same enemy because at one point they were conquered by the dwarves. There is no denying it Oren OOCly despises the dwarves when at many times INCLUDING the northern allies, waldenians, and even the carrions had been friends with us. When they all form up they find a common hatred and THATS the dwarves. 

 

Its indisputable. The cause of this polarization is not two sided. Buck up and realize who's been the source of all the grief, destruction of player bases, and unneeded wars in the past years.

[Hiebe 2493]

People can't separate roleplay. I still feel burned when I see dwarves making humans and feeling betrayed. I usually move on but it becomes personal with how much time you spend into building things up. You don't want to be that guy that let the empire fell or let the dwarves be conquered 

[Peter Chivay 2494]

i have nothing against anyone just dont be rude to me and i wont be rude to you love you all 

[Gridlock 1033]

People won't be harassed over choosing the wrong side of the war. Most Duke's war rebels have already reintergrated into oren long ago without harassment.

 

Now if you've rebelled over 5 times whenever given any position of power, you should expect to be distrusted ooc'ly because it isn't just 1 character with rebellious tendency, it's 5 of them. Just play it smarter next time.

[AGP 3169]

3 hours ago, DPM said:

what the **** are you guys even arguing about lmao

 

have you not heard the rebel coalitions goals? it's not to destroy oren, karlsburg and everyone else lmao. all they want to do is abolish the empire and give everyone independent kingdoms/duchies

yeah and this is a much better idea than destroy haense kill all northmen burn dominion to the ground and activate a tactical nuke

 

but the key part of what this is saying is that the people who make up the core empire should be able to do something in rp even if the empire falls. blacklisting pyro or w/e from rp post-empire is just perpetuating the cycle.