Shamanism + Dark Shamanism

[𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖘𝖍 2451]

 

 

Return of Shaman Sub-Types and Dark Shamanism Teaching

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I would first like to mention that the numbers of Shamans are not as dependable as they may seem since the Magic User List is quite messy due to repeated application processes. It also includes that most of these Shamans are probably not considered as Teachers since many of them have either disappeared or went on hiatus. Shamanism has been one of the most volatile and creative magics on the server that is a traditional and ancestral faith of the Orcish people. Since Vailor and maybe even before this Shamanism has seen a huge decline as many players often disappear without notice and/or never come back even causing one of the Shaman sub-types to actually fade away leaving only 1 semi-active Farseer available, though he grew angry with the current Shaman chat and left in a rage. I will present the semi-relevant numbers of each Shaman sub-type that is currently owned: 

 

 

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Sandk1ng	Eath'lur	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Air & Water
KBR	BurBur'Lur	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Air & Water
Divinejustice	Kulgarok'Lak	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Kizumachan	Elphaba'Gorkil	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Divinejustice	Kulgarok	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Hedgehug	Shagarath	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
knghtArtorias	Kurdon'Lur	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Smawton	Gijaak	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Yank33	Gnarl	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Discoliquid	Ruu'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Travista	Shrek	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Yank33	Gnarl'Lak	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Earth
Travista	Shrek	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Fire & Electricity
Marijuanaology	Zlazh'Lur	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Fire & Electricity
Travista	Shrek	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Metal
BGBuster	Brunhyldir	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Metal
atleast7	Fitz'Lak	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Metal
Discoliquid	Ruu'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Metal
knghtArtorias	Kurdon'Lur	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Metal
Smawton	Gijaak'Raguk	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Metal
Hedgehug	Shagarath	Deity Shamanism	Elemental Metal
ilikethefooddude	Thurak	Deity Shamanism	Farseer
CosmicWhaleShark	Phaedrus'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Farseer
Catarrh	Malog'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Farseer
DarkSainthood	Nurena'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Farseer
KBR	Burbur	Deity Shamanism	Farseer
Sultan_Mogroka	Mogroka'Gorkil	Deity Shamanism	Farseer
atleast7	Fitz'Lak	Deity Shamanism	Farseer
HELLFIAZz	Buubztik'Lur	Deity Shamanism	Lutauman
Hedgehug	Shagarath'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Lutauman
Dakirennis	Dak'ir Des'Nox	Deity Shamanism	Lutauman
Hedgehug	Shagarath'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Lutauman
SubparSodaPops	Grothmar'Gorkil	Deity Shamanism	Lutauman
Sultan_Mogroka	Mogroka'Gorkil	Deity Shamanism	Lutauman
TheRiddleSphynx	Z'raeth Oussana	Deity Shamanism	Lutauman
Hedgehug	Shagarath	Deity Shamanism	Spirit Smithing
Brokenhelix	Jayce Des'nox	Deity Shamanism	Spirit Smithing
Grubgoth_Wud	Irunmonga	Deity Shamanism	Spirit Smithing
micbox2	Grovmar'Gorkil	Deity Shamanism	Spirit Smithing
Moby_Derp	Gukdan	Deity Shamanism	Spirit Smithing
HELLFIAZz	Buubztik'Lur	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Catarrh	Malog'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
DarkSainthood	Nurena'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Smawton	Kharak'Raguk	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Hedgehug	Shagarath	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Pandasan_	Olnin	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Hedgehug	Shagarath'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
ilikefooddude	Thurak'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Ka4xid	Snawt'Ox	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Kizumachan	Elphaba Gorkil	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Kizumachan	Elphaba'Gorkil	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
knghtArtorias	Kurdon'Lur	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
MrPieMan1111	Gurak'Yar	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Pandasan_	Olnin	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor
Sultan_Mogroka	Mogroka'Gorkil	Deity Shamanism	Witchdoctor

 

 

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Shaman Count: 55/2 (Many names are repeated due to a redone application process)

Semi-Active Shaman Count: 4 Witch Doctor, 8-9 Elementalist, 2 Latauman, 3 Spirit Smiths, 1 Farseer

Active Shaman Count: 1 Witch Doctor, 3 Elementalists, 1 Latauman, 1 Spirit Smith, 0 Farseers

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Smawton	Tome of Ixli	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
_Sug/NotSugsAlt	Kahrgol'Azog	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
DivineJustice	Kulgarok'Lak	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
Jentos	Huul'Ruk	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
KBR	Burbur	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
KingOfTheMoon_	Gukdab	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
Lhindir_	Kurag	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
Scubasteveee	Draggur'Dom	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
sjw_king3	Madraz'Ruk	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
Smawton	Zaniil	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
Ventai	Pumpz'Ruk	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism
WarsongFarseer	Saria Camoryn (Caerme'onn)	Dark Arts	Dark Shamanism

 

 

 

 

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Dark Shaman Count: 12
(This is a rough estimate as there may be more or less due to teaching and PK's)

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I would like to start by helping those who don't know much about Shamanism by saying having a communication with the Spirits is similarly known to having an ability like 'The Force' from Star Wars. If you have an understanding with the Spirits (Force) you have a sense that someone around whether Shaman or Dark Shaman are attuned to the way of the Spirits. The reason for this is mainly because word travels through the Spirit Realm and rumors are passed around and often arrive to a Spirit that one would communicate with. These Spirits present themselves to people that they believe are honorable and faithful to the Spirit-Kind. An Elemental Spirit relinquishes its name (which is the Spirits source of power) to the Shaman but requires a pact in trade of the name so that the Spirit can see how dedicated and faithful the Shaman might be to the Spirits in order to not just waste its time and give its name and power to some fool.

This being said the issue I would like to discuss that is about a Dark Shamans ability to continue to teach people into a standard Shaman. Dark Shamanism is a form of abusing a Spirits name and power in spite of the Spirits rather so the question being that why would a Spirit even consider approaching a student that is being taught by a Dark Shaman who hungered and ate a Spirit especially if word gets around within the Spirit Realm. A Spirit would only understand it was being a fool by giving its name to someone studying under a Dark Shaman that spites Spirits rather than praises it. As well to contribute to this, Dark Shamanism shouldn't exactly be something simple to obtain as in order to even somehow consume the Spirit you would have to survive against the Spirits strength and ability similar to how Farseers battle against Spirits who might want them dead. If there is a Light Side and a Dark Side to the Spirits, then why would a very knowledgeable Spirit that is resourceful with many rumors of the realm provide it's name and power to someone being taught by a person who does the exact opposite of respecting the Spirit Kind. 

As I have stated before, Shamanism has been slowly draining of all sub-types and has already caused Farseeing and Latauman to fade with none to very few semi-active players knowing the shamanism. Many of great Orcish qualities remain in those sub-types that bring some of the best cultured rituals and ideas of the Orcish people including drumming and chanting, learning lectures from their Ancestors and being told what Spirit demands praise. For so long has the Orcish race been depressed of these fine Shamanic qualities that for a time it had impacted the race leaving very few dedicated to carry the player-base. Not only is it a part of the Orcish culture, but it also provides the Orcs some sort of guidance and goal in order to recieve some sort of respect or blessing by a certain Spirit. It has been a lingering problem the Orcish playerbase has dealt with for far too long, but as I said Spirits present themselves to those they believe and know are faithful and respect them so please help return such a great but suffering culture and magic type to the server.

 

~ A Concerned Orcish Mineman

 

 

[Pandasan 74]

Hello~ I may not be in any LotC power/staff/whatever, but thank you for your feedback! Overall, the shamans are currently in the works of a Shamanism clarification project. A few obstacles here and there, but of course it will get done (hopefully soon) nevertheless! Buuuuut, you already knew that since you're a Shaman, hehe. Anyway, let me address your concerns and my standpoint on them.

 

1. Shamanism decline! Yes, as it always has been since Vailor and now it just continues to sink. I do not have a valid or concrete answer to this issue, but I can give you what I think of the situation. Yes, the lack of teachers is one of the main causes for this problem - no doubt in my mind. I do not think I need to elaborate on that since it is evident and pretty self-explanatory. As a teacher in shamanism, and probably the only current active witch doctor teacher,  finding students who my character deems "worthy" is difficult. Might not be an excuse and I do not want it to be seen as such, but my character truly sees many people unfit for shamanism. Speaking of which, if you are interested in witch doctory, do not hesitate to reach out to me IRP and things will go up from there! (I swear I'm nice!)

 

2. I could not agree more. Dark shamans, although it is somewhat helpful to the magic's growth, should not be able to teach regular shamanism. Yes, they could have the knowledge to teach, however the Spirits would know your attempts and obviously know that someone is a Dark Shaman and who you are teaching. It would be highly unlikely a Spirit would listen/answer/grant power to you if you are being taught by a Dark Shaman - a being that most, if not all, Spirits would have knowledge of being an entity that goes against the Spirits via (did I use that word right?) eating other spirits. The only spirits who would answer their call is probably another Dark Shaman in the Ancestral Realm or malicious Spirits such as Ixli, oh boy especially Ixli (naughty spirit).

 

Do note, these are just my views and beliefs on the problems! Sorry if they did not make sense, but I am always willing to elaborate and expand upon them. Anyway, you are in Shaman Chat and we are able to reflect and deal with this issue (preferably after the Shaman clarification, pls). Was this help? Probably not, no no. But, meh, why not pitch in my own two cents.

[ScreamingDingo 20568]

Shamanism is an amazing magic but my concern is the playerbase are just arguably bad at roleplaying it and/or are not interested.

I believe it either gets re-worked and revitalized or it spreads to other races, or the drastic option is killing it entirely. Dark Shamans shouldn't be able to teach normal shamans, but once again the numbers are so low that the active dark shamans outnumber the active shamans.

 

 

divine shares my main concerns and is probs one of the only people i trust to do good @DivineJustice

[𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖘𝖍 2451]

35 minutes ago, GrimReaper98 said:

I believe it either gets re-worked and revitalized or it spreads to other races, or the drastic option is killing it entirely.

It doesn't need to be re-worked it just needs to redistributed. Any race can have a faith of the Spirits but that's up to them, Shamanism remains as an Orcish faith because they have a history since Krug himself with experiencing the Spirits even speaking the Old Blah or Black Tongue like the Spirits as to where most people don't even try to understand Blah. Killing it entirely would be the most disappointing thing ever to happen on this server and in no way should go that route.

[zaezae 1098]

is shamanism race-locked?

[Yankee 130]

2 minutes ago, zaezae said:

is shamanism race-locked?

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No

[zaezae 1098]

Just now, Yankee said:

No

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Huh, I had a /really/ religious dark elf but I always figured it was race locked lol.

[Smaw 2376]

It's very clearly stated in the Dark Shaman lore that they can't learn or use any other Magic (which would include normal Shamanism) so teaching it has always been out of the question.

 

It also makes no sense because the approach is different, and they can't even teach their own Magic.

[PraiseTheLord 868]

I don't see any harm coming from OOCly overseeing experienced orcish players shamanism. +1 -Another concerned Shaman.

[𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖘𝖍 2451]

7 hours ago, zaezae said:

is shamanism race-locked?

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Shamanism descends from Orcish Ancestry and the Old/Black Tongue which is the language of the Spirits. Most prove unworthy since they can't even get used to learning the regular Blah.

[Panashea 3326]

I suppose I should finally speak on this matter. I plan to reintroduce shamanism after the rework is fully done, that also acts as a guidelines and idea generating selection of things to do as a shaman, explaining clearly to LT and MT how shamanism works so they don't muck it about, and providing ET ideas on possible events. 

 

Shamanism has always been an orc first magic to be, regardless of whatever flak or bias I may receive from it. Though Hellfiaz gave dark elves lutaumancy, I still would like to think all of the forms have been locked to essentially the orcs.

 

HOWEVER. 

 

Its hard to find candidates for the magic. In my honest opinion, many orcs seek out shamanism without truly wishing to be a shaman. Before I toss out shamanism to orcs, can I see some effort in their part to actually roleplay their relationship with the spirits? This doesn't mean going out and sacrificing randoms without care along the roads. I've made numerous documents on how one can improve their RP and faith with the Spirits, though no orc has actually made effort on it.

 

I temporarily made an orcish school for the spirits, and more non-orc players arrived than actual orcs interested in the spirits. If orcs are so desperate for shamanism, can they please at least try to do something with the spirits? 1Bow has never been a shaman and yet his character is entwined in their affairs.  

 

Essentially. If you want shamanism more used by the orcs, RP it. The rework will be done shortly, and those who actually put themselves forward to roleplay their interactions and character development with the spirits will find themselves with shamanism. I'd gladly do events for those seeking interactions with the spirits as well. Simply PM me your idea or what spirit you'd like to discuss with. 

[zaezae 1098]

28 minutes ago, DivineJustice said:

I suppose I should finally speak on this matter. I plan to reintroduce shamanism after the rework is fully done, that also acts as a guidelines and idea generating selection of things to do as a shaman, explaining clearly to LT and MT how shamanism works so they don't muck it about, and providing ET ideas on possible events. 

 

Shamanism has always been an orc first magic to be, regardless of whatever flak or bias I may receive from it. Though Hellfiaz gave dark elves lutaumancy, I still would like to think all of the forms have been locked to essentially the orcs.

 

HOWEVER. 

 

Its hard to find candidates for the magic. In my honest opinion, many orcs seek out shamanism without truly wishing to be a shaman. Before I toss out shamanism to orcs, can I see some effort in their part to actually roleplay their relationship with the spirits? This doesn't mean going out and sacrificing randoms without care along the roads. I've made numerous documents on how one can improve their RP and faith with the Spirits, though no orc has actually made effort on it.

 

I temporarily made an orcish school for the spirits, and more non-orc players arrived than actual orcs interested in the spirits. If orcs are so desperate for shamanism, can they please at least try to do something with the spirits? 1Bow has never been a shaman and yet his character is entwined in their affairs.  

 

Essentially. If you want shamanism more used by the orcs, RP it. The rework will be done shortly, and those who actually put themselves forward to roleplay their interactions and character development with the spirits will find themselves with shamanism. I'd gladly do events for those seeking interactions with the spirits as well. Simply PM me your idea or what spirit you'd like to discuss with. 

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I'd honestly suggest that the (old) darkie culture have space to work themselves in there. Ancestors, spirits? Kinda the same thing. but it ain't my business lol so you know it's whatever. I was a little miffed when I ran into the attitude I gotta admit but I understand ya'll don't want shamanism to become a trophy magic and I can respect that.

[Pandasan 74]

18 minutes ago, DivineJustice said:

Its hard to find candidates for the magic. In my honest opinion, many orcs seek out shamanism without truly wishing to be a shaman.

Well said! And I agree completely with majority of what you said.

 

With that, I would like to add that any race can become a shaman and learn shamanism. People in the past have acquired shamanism and they were not even an orc! Such as Phaedrus'Yar (I kind forgot what his username was, but I'm sure it's somewhere), 'Wraps' played by Whymsical, Dak'ir played by Dakirennis (spelling?), and probably others that I just cannot remember right now. If you are a non-orc and seek to be a shaman, you honestly just have to find the right kind of teachers and prove yourself worthy to be a shaman - that means you gotta deal with the spirits and praise(or at least, what most people prefer)!

This is mostly directed to: @zaezae and any others who thought shamanism is race-locked!

[zaezae 1098]

5 minutes ago, Pandasan said:

Well said! And I agree completely with majority of what you said.

 

With that, I would like to add that any race can become a shaman and learn shamanism. People in the past have acquired shamanism and they were not even an orc! Such as Phaedrus'Yar (I kind forgot what his username was, but I'm sure it's somewhere), 'Wraps' played by Whymsical, Dak'ir played by Dakirennis (spelling?), and probably others that I just cannot remember right now. If you are a non-orc and seek to be a shaman, you honestly just have to find the right kind of teachers and prove yourself worthy to be a shaman - that means you gotta deal with the spirits and praise(or at least, what most people prefer)!

This is mostly directed to: @zaezae and any others who thought shamanism is race-locked!

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Sounds like a good idea to me. TBH the decline in the darkie and orcish culture was one of the most disappointing things in the past few months for me.

[Boomzerang 515]

35 minutes ago, DivineJustice said:

1Bow has never been a shaman and yet his character is entwined in their affairs.  

To me, this is a bit of a problem. Although I can certainly not call myself a new player, I'm not completely sure of what I can and can't do with and regarding spirits. Is it possible for a non-shaman to travel to the spirit realm, contact spirits, and request things from them etc, or is this reserved for Lutaumans and Farseers? There are certain things that overlap a lot between normal worship and shamanism, and making guidelines for people to be able to know what they can and can't do with their character would help at least myself dabble a lot more into the worship of spirits.

TL;DR I don't know what I can do with spirits and I'm spooked because big scary MTs might chase me down