The Dictatorship: Attempt II

[mmat 7460]

THIS IS LEGITIMATE CRITICISM, NOT A TROLL.

 

Just as there are three branches of power in the United States: The presidency, judiciary and legislature, there are two in Lord of the Craft.

 

The Administration - The de facto power on the server, with authority to give the authority and commands, notably TO the tech team for them to do what is best for the players
The Tech Team - Control the technical aspect of the server. Theoretically, the server cannot function physically without them.
 
In past times when I was a GM and an Admin, I clashed almost daily with Kowaman because of the bullshit he was pulling, because I wanted to do what I thought was right for the players when it came to tech aspects, rather than the tech team dictating. I hated the idea of technocrats being in power. An occasion came to mind from years ago when I was an admin. I was called into a skype call by Tythus who was trying to convince me to support Telanir for admin, which I was skeptical of. Then I left admin a bit after.
 
Since then, 501warhead and Telanir have managed to monopolise power by just staying where they are, and not stepping down from any position, this has allowed them to become what would be in the American example, a dictator with all the pillars of power under their control. They are under no obligation to listen to anything the players want because they are the admins, with the power to dictate AND the techies, with the power to implement.

[monkeypoacher 8055]

I'd rather that 501 and telanir have "ABSOLUTE POWER" than their apparent successors, ladyrebecca and cablam

 

I'd rather that a lot of things happen than that

[zaezae 1098]

It's a bad practice I won't admit. Spread your attentions too thin and  you won't do anything good. Also, the tech team should exclusively be in a patronage to admins. Also I do hope there is a binding understanding that any code made for LOTC belongs to Tythus LTD.

 

Don't need that lawsuit **** again.

[KeatonUnbeaten 1103]

I think that the scaremongering everyone is doing, saying that people like LadyRebecca and 501 are awful, is a bit much. At the same time however, the administration (GM's, Admins and Techs) have made some rather questionable decisions in the past, which I don't doubt will end soon. 

 

It's not great, could be worse.

[argonian 14254]

this isn't even the first time they've done it. our first tech guy vaq got availer to host the server on his service so he could steal the server. never trust techies.

[Imam Faiz Kharadeen 3167]

i bet the neighbors know my name

[drfate786 1690]

12 hours ago, zaezae said:

It's a bad practice I won't admit. Spread your attentions too thin and  you won't do anything good. Also, the tech team should exclusively be in a patronage to admins. Also I do hope there is a binding understanding that any code made for LOTC belongs to Tythus LTD.

 

Don't need that lawsuit **** again.

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Tythus "LTD" doesn't exist, the code developed by the tech team belongs to the tech team, not Tythus. Even if it did, it means Tythus has limited responsibility and can't actually pull any legal strings to keep it. If Telanir and friends wanted too they could pull the Nexus plugin from the server since its their property and not Tythus. 

 

To be honest, all you need to do is wait. If people dislike the current work the tech team is doing then they'll continue to do a horrible job and everyone will slowly trickle away. When the donations stop coming Tythus will be forced to purge the current tech team. But I doubt that people will cease their donations over the current plugins and code. I don't really see any significant issue with the current tech team other then the fact that they're allowed to have multiple positions. 

[zaezae 1098]

3 minutes ago, drfate786 said:

 

Tythus "LTD" doesn't exist, the code developed by the tech team belongs to the tech team, not Tythus. Even if it did, it means Tythus has limited responsibility and can't actually pull any legal strings to keep it. If Telanir and friends wanted too they could pull the Nexus plugin from the server since its their property and not Tythus. 

 

To be honest, all you need to do is wait. If people dislike the current work the tech team is doing then they'll continue to do a horrible job and everyone will slowly trickle away. When the donations stop coming Tythus will be forced to purge the current tech team. But I doubt that people will cease their donations over the current plugins and code. I don't really see any significant issue with the current tech team other then the fact that they're allowed to have multiple positions. 

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Actually, if you make an agreement that technology developed for a platform belongs to that platform, then it does. It's actually more rare to not see this policy than to not see it. It's to protect people from saying "You can't use nexus since it's mine. you don't have permission" 

 

Honestly, that'd be my first policy if I was in charge. I wouldn't say 'you cannot use this technology elsewhere' just simple 'by installing and running this code, you're agreeing that we have the right to use, change, reverse engineer, etc. etc. forever'. So you can use what you built for your own projects but you can't pull the rug out from under everyone else on the server just cause you're upset. Besides, who really owns nexus' code, I imagine, is in a tangled mess since I doubt only one person ever contributed to it. This is why it's always smart to lay out a clear policy. 

[drfate786 1690]

4 minutes ago, zaezae said:

Actually, if you make an agreement that technology developed for a platform belongs to that platform, then it does. It's actually more rare to not see this policy than to not see it. It's to protect people from saying "You can't use nexus since it's mine. you don't have permission" 

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This would be true if the "platform" were a legitimate business under a corporate business license. But since this isn't a legitimate business with a government issued business license what you are saying is hereby false. 

[zaezae 1098]

5 minutes ago, drfate786 said:

 

This would be true if the "platform" were a legitimate business under a corporate business license. But since this isn't a legitimate business with a government issued business license what you are saying is hereby false. 

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For profit corporate businesses are not the only entities that legally exist. It's not even hard to understand. Someone pays for the server, whoever pays for that server owns the server and seemingly everything on it. You do not need a license to run a non-profit server. I'm sorry but respectfully, you really don't know what you're talking about. \

 

Basically, all you would have to do is craft an agreement that any technology developed for and deployed on lotc gives Tythus an unlimited license to use and update it. This is /super/ basic. So he wouldn't own the code but he has unlimited right to do whatever he wants with it except sell the code.

[drfate786 1690]

1 minute ago, zaezae said:

For profit corporate businesses are not the only entities that legally exist. It's not even hard to understand. Someone pays for the server, whoever pays for that server owns the server and seemingly everything on it. You do not need a license to run a non-profit server. I'm sorry but respectfully, you really don't know what you're talking about. \

 

Basically, all you would have to do is craft an agreement that any technology developed for and deployed on lotc gives Tythus an unlimited license to use and update it. This is /super/ basic. 

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The forums we are using are powered by these two seperate companies:

 

 https://invisioncommunity.com/

 

https://www.ipsfocus.com/

 

Technically, they could claim anything on this website to be theirs since we're using them as a medium to communicate. The only way this wouldn't be true is if the website was hosted on a personal server with no creation kit of any sort. It would have to be made entirely from scratch with Python and all. I doubt the tech team is capable of that, even though Python is highly malleable. 

 

Take Enjin for example, you pay monthly to keep the forum up and if you can't pay they lock the site and take it from you since it's THEIR property. The same rules would apply here. Tythus doesn't own this forum, he pays to modify and use it, just like Enjin. 

 

This also falls under minecraft servers. Microsoft owns LoTC's minecraft servers since it's their game, not Tythus. Since the code is for a minecraft server, microsoft and the people who developed the code own said code, 50/50. NOT Tythus.. The only way he would own the code Telanir makes is if he were to pay Telanir per commission or by salary. Which he doesn't!

 

Do you get it now? LTD means LIMITED TRADE MARK, what he owns is LIMITED and not corporate. He owns less then 50%!

[Dry Crackers 268]

Now, I'm no expert, but I'm fairly certain that isn't how copyright or corporate ownership of anything works.

 

Also, LTD does mean limited, but it refers to how shareholders (aka Tythus, does own 100% of the company) are limited in their liability by how much they have invested, which I believe is £100, 100 shares at £1 apiece. 

[zaezae 1098]

On 6/20/2017 at 2:57 PM, Dry Crackers said:

Now, I'm no expert, but I'm fairly certain that isn't how copyright or corporate ownership of anything works.

 

Also, LTD does mean limited, but it refers to how shareholders (aka Tythus, does own 100% of the company) are limited in their liability by how much they have invested, which I believe is £100, 100 shares at £1 apiece. 

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Basically means that if the LOTC gets debt and becomes insolvent, they can't go after Tythus' PERSONAL belongings to pay the debt. I think. 

[Dry Crackers 268]

28 minutes ago, zaezae said:

Basically means that if the LOTC gets debt and becomes insolvent, they can't go after Tythus' PERSONAL belongings to pay the debt. I think. 

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That's what liability is yep!

[Telanir 6975]

Hi iMattyz,

 

I apologize for the delayed response. Despite the date, I have decided it appropriate to reply anyways.

I have left a star * near points I strongly emphasize.

 

The concerns I read are:

• 501warhead and myself monopolizing power as techs.
• My promotion process.
• Our activity in the administration.

 

We act and abide by the Admin Protocol, in good spirit, as is mandatory of any administrator. It prevents any sole admin from making spontaneous or uncommunicated decisions. I may provide the link upon request but it is awfully dry.

 

Essentially, we are not about performing left-field decisions or anything in absence of administrative unanimity.

 

* As the team can attest, I am almost entirely withdrawn the past year from any tech duties. 501warhead is chiefly concerned with his duties as an administrator, though also acts as our tech-liason.

 

My promotion to administration was fairly ordinary with exception of Tythus’ involvement. We are well familiar, very good friends, and yet despite this his influence was by and large absent from the process (Pandan was promoted at the time). Later, (following your departure) after several months’ work as a game moderator (and many years on the staff), the administration of late 2015 was convinced I was prepared for the role.

 

* 501warhead is notably active in the administration and is altogether indispensable. He is vital to the server strategy and we rely on his dependability for our map development process.

 

I hold a more reserved role and deal almost exclusively with internal staff matters. I also fulfill other duties as necessary. If I am present it is usually because someone has misbehaved.

 

* All administrators consistently input on executive matters, unless on hiatus. (Which has only occurred once this year).

 

* Finally, as we don’t have any “branches of power” here, we can only keep each other in check as administrators. We are, without question, the top of the hierarchy. No other team shares this authority, and, in contrast to your impression, we do not give the development team this power.

 

 

This thread will close in 24 hours unless otherwise contested.

 

 

Thank you,

 

Telanir @ LotC Administration