Language

[Tharggus 50]

This thread is ooc only. I propose as a race we fill the gaps in our ancient language with Scottish Gaelic would like everyones views, plase leave feedback with your thoughts.

[Guzr 2050]

I like this idea, certain keywords are lost in the language and we need to fill it out

[nordicg_d 1847]

wee jock poop plong @DPM 

[chaotikal 2392]

If you read the thread, the language states plainly that you can shoot me a pm with word ideas and they'll be added.

 

I'm against the idea because Scottish Gaelic sounds nohting like Dwarven, and because if you had a language that can be used easily it'd lose a lot of its interest, like how noone really takes Blah as a "cultural thing", just something orcs do, yet Elven language, with its scarce entries, stands out as a highlight of Elven culture.

 

Similarly, Dwarven isn't meant to be a spoken tongue, like your everyday, but spicing up names, and maybe some cryptic talk, interjecting words into every day speech and such.

 

Dwarves don't seem that eager to implement Dwarven into their common roleplay. I added a few greetings to the language thread a few years ago, and noone has used them but a handful, so I think adding a language that sounds nothing like it just to fluff up the word count would break it in its aesthetic

 

anyways my two cents as the creator of the language.

[Jondead 260]

1 minute ago, Chaotikal said:

If you read the thread, the language states plainly that you can shoot me a pm with word ideas and they'll be added.

 

I'm against the idea because Scottish Gaelic sounds nohting like Dwarven.

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That is true, unless you can make it sound like a drunk man dancing with warkittens, then no Gaelic is needed.

[TJBMinecraft 821]

we need to update our language

[Jondead 260]

14 minutes ago, TJBMinecraft said:

we need to update our language

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That is true, it is needed, heck maybe some new words for new creatures need to be added also.

[Algoda 885]

I like the idea of different dwarven dialects springing up, i say go for it as it doesnt have to mean that everyone has to use it. If some lore is put behind it we can just have different dialects depending on where you hail from. Maybe clan-specific dialects?

[chaotikal 2392]

1 hour ago, Algoda said:

I like the idea of different dwarven dialects springing up, i say go for it as it doesnt have to mean that everyone has to use it. If some lore is put behind it we can just have different dialects depending on where you hail from. Maybe clan-specific dialects?

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Clan specific dialects is a no in my books, given that 99% of the clans have bunched together historically it'd make no sense for them to go the separatist route.

 

However, given the Kaz'Ulrah development, I'd very much agree that those alligned with Ulrah should definitely think of a new dialect or language, I think it'd make sense given that they are no longer part of the mainstream Dwarven group and would maybe add words from Norlandic languages or Orcish Blah, perhaps a more aggressive tones, since it'd be a language forged from war.

 

It should not replace the Dwarven Language. I think nothing should. The Dwarven language as is is good, and just needs the input from the community for new words, but remaking it to replace it with some celtic language is honestly a dissapointing idea.

[Algoda 885]

1 minute ago, Chaotikal said:

Clan specific dialects is a no in my books, given that 99% of the clans have bunched together historically it'd make no sense for them to go the separatist route.

 

However, given the Kaz'Ulrah development, I'd very much agree that those alligned with Ulrah should definitely think of a new dialect or language, I think it'd make sense given that they are no longer part of the mainstream Dwarven group and would maybe add words from Norlandic languages or Orcish Blah, perhaps a more aggressive tones, since it'd be a language forged from war.

 

It should not replace the Dwarven Language. I think nothing should. The Dwarven language as is is good, and just needs the input from the community for new words, but remaking it to replace it with some celtic language is honestly a dissapointing idea.

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The thing is, we are the mainstream dwarven group. It would make more sense for the dwarves living at other places than the rest of us (i.e the Ironguts if they want this). 

I agree with it not replacing the dwarven language, i quite like the current iteration of it aswell. Hence why i suggested dialects for a way for diverse dwarven cultures to appear as we're not all united anymore, just like the humans.

[Vulkin Frostbeard 58]

As someone who can say they have been around for a long time, I think it's safe to say "yes" to adding words to the dwarven language. No I do not think we need to be making a new language.  I think everyone should remember that we are suppose to build off what was already created for us to expand on. I think trying to create all these side info is nothing more than making it complex and annoying to some. We are a dwarven race, a race that chooses to be amongst it's own. Isn't that a good enough reason to speak one language as is. Even during petty rivalries, civil wars etc I don't see dialects being really needed... I think everyone should just except what we have and move one. Sure we can add and expand which is fine but I don't think a new language is even needed. Dialects maybe but only if there has been a long split amongst dwarves that caused a change in dialect and such or at least the region that they live in. If really needed though you could just modify your characters dialect.

All I can say is I think as a race we need to focus on things more in game like our gods???? Everyone is always saying "The gods this" "The Gods that" but when it comes down to it no one even worships, prays or tries to do anything related to the religion. I think the poor use of our own creations religion and its ethics as a race is horrible right now. What happened to making our religion a part of who we are? What happened to having ethics toward half breeds, outsiders and even fowl or corrupt beings. Dwarves were not always so open to half breed dwarves running about acting as if they were pure. How about actually progressing and using our races unique traits for rp such as golemancy and Runesmithing. Yes we accept it in game and talk about it but only literally (select few know). How about guilds dedicated to focusing on our advancements. I think more language would be nice but I think there is more issues that should be addressed and worked on before messing with the language.



All in all, no new language. Dialects are fine but don't expect a lot of people to use it. I think dialects would be fine per character. This is just my opinion though so hope no one is butt hurt.

 

[Algoda 885]

1 hour ago, Vulkin Frostbeard said:

As someone who can say they have been around for a long time, I think it's safe to say "yes" to adding words to the dwarven language. No I do not think we need to be making a new language.  I think everyone should remember that we are suppose to build off what was already created for us to expand on. I think trying to create all these side info is nothing more than making it complex and annoying to some. We are a dwarven race, a race that chooses to be amongst it's own. Isn't that a good enough reason to speak one language as is. Even during petty rivalries, civil wars etc I don't see dialects being really needed... I think everyone should just except what we have and move one. Sure we can add and expand which is fine but I don't think a new language is even needed. Dialects maybe but only if there has been a long split amongst dwarves that caused a change in dialect and such or at least the region that they live in. If really needed though you could just modify your characters dialect.

All I can say is I think as a race we need to focus on things more in game like our gods???? Everyone is always saying "The gods this" "The Gods that" but when it comes down to it no one even worships, prays or tries to do anything related to the religion. I think the poor use of our own creations religion and its ethics as a race is horrible right now. What happened to making our religion a part of who we are? What happened to having ethics toward half breeds, outsiders and even fowl or corrupt beings. Dwarves were not always so open to half breed dwarves running about acting as if they were pure. How about actually progressing and using our races unique traits for rp such as golemancy and Runesmithing. Yes we accept it in game and talk about it but only literally (select few know). How about guilds dedicated to focusing on our advancements. I think more language would be nice but I think there is more issues that should be addressed and worked on before messing with the language.



All in all, no new language. Dialects are fine but don't expect a lot of people to use it. I think dialects would be fine per character. This is just my opinion though so hope no one is butt hurt.

 

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Well that wasnt really the point of this post. It was simply an idea to expand on the language that we already have, not replace anything. To which you already said you agreed to. 

Also everyone decides what is important for themselves, im sure we have people more interesting in tinkering with languages than engineering or magics. If you want the religion to be expanded upon you're free to do so yourself!

[chaotikal 2392]

1 hour ago, Algoda said:

Well that wasnt really the point of this post. It was simply an idea to expand on the language that we already have, not replace anything. To which you already said you agreed to. 

Also everyone decides what is important for themselves, im sure we have people more interesting in tinkering with languages than engineering or magics. If you want the religion to be expanded upon you're free to do so yourself!

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You could ake a thread on Cultures if this will be a sort of cultural thing pertaining to the dialects of clan and such, we shouldn't go around stickying every new dialect that pops up if you feel me. If you want to centralize it into a secondary language you could definitely get it stickied, but precedents are precedents. The Dwarven Language in itself has no culture, but Dwarven, the Kingdom of Urguan does not own it, neither does Ulrah, neither does any singular group or individual. It is as part of Dwarven Lore as Runic magic and Clans are. Thus, I'm alright with additions, but I'd prefer if all additions are made to the main language via sending me a PM, where I will include 'em with no hassle and no delay.

 

If you're resilient you want a new language, again, I'd highly insist you either put it as a non stickied dwarf roleplay thread or inside the cultures forum, where I think it'd suit best, as it'd be a language borne from a culture, and not one intrinsic in lore.

 

As a conclusion, I'm all for new languages, just stating a few facts here so that a standard is well-known. I made the Dwarven Language back in early Anthos because I saw that we were scrambling random words, so I thought to give it some structure, and it's been used ever since. I do not think it should be touched on much more than it is. And I'm actually against using it in a day-to-day roleplay manner, I don't think it sounds good to roleplay in it, and honestly people will find you a bit pretentious if you break out in full dwarven with no explanation. However, a language that you design for day-to-day roleplay is very different, and something I'd like to see. 

 

:)

[Tharggus 50]

3 hours ago, Chaotikal said:

You could ake a thread on Cultures if this will be a sort of cultural thing pertaining to the dialects of clan and such, we shouldn't go around stickying every new dialect that pops up if you feel me. If you want to centralize it into a secondary language you could definitely get it stickied, but precedents are precedents. The Dwarven Language in itself has no culture, but Dwarven, the Kingdom of Urguan does not own it, neither does Ulrah, neither does any singular group or individual. It is as part of Dwarven Lore as Runic magic and Clans are. Thus, I'm alright with additions, but I'd prefer if all additions are made to the main language via sending me a PM, where I will include 'em with no hassle and no delay.

 

If you're resilient you want a new language, again, I'd highly insist you either put it as a non stickied dwarf roleplay thread or inside the cultures forum, where I think it'd suit best, as it'd be a language borne from a culture, and not one intrinsic in lore.

 

As a conclusion, I'm all for new languages, just stating a few facts here so that a standard is well-known. I made the Dwarven Language back in early Anthos because I saw that we were scrambling random words, so I thought to give it some structure, and it's been used ever since. I do not think it should be touched on much more than it is. And I'm actually against using it in a day-to-day roleplay manner, I don't think it sounds good to roleplay in it, and honestly people will find you a bit pretentious if you break out in full dwarven with no explanation. However, a language that you design for day-to-day roleplay is very different, and something I'd like to see. 

 

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I wasn't dead set on the idea of Scottish Gaelic however my main goal is to have the language updated monthly or weekly even adding new words or at least writing a way to create words using conjunctions and an alphabetical system. The words we have aren't truly enough to form whole sentences. For those who do use it not for everyday roleplay but for things like the Brathmordakin or dwarven history's and such the language doesn't have enough in it to develop full functioning sentences.

[mateolog 1623]

Gaelic? we all ignore the fact that there is a perfect source of actual Dwarven language that can be added to the lore: https://dwarrowscholar.wordpress.com/khuzdul/documents-dictionaries/
here there is a 5271 page dictionary of the dwarvenlaguage dwarven -> to english (Includes the runes).
Hre is an example of a word:
bunudsin [bʊnʊdsɪn] to head (lead) [Perfect Form (Dependable) / 2nd person plural feminine formal] [BND]

there is also this one thats easier but less specific;
https://es.scribd.com/document/217311993/khuzdul-dictionary

and this one is a bit in between;
https://www.paolini.net/fans/invented-languages-inheritance-cycle/dwarf-language/dwarf-language-english-dictionary/