World Team... Please?

[Nug 1886]

gotta beat up the badmins if you want any world stuff done xD

[Lomiei 1488]

8 hours ago, satinkira said:

Nice lil paragraphs are cool. I agree they should be made available everywhere

 

8 hours ago, Jenny_Bobbs said:

There is a post about able to request map art. However i've been told the plugin was broken by WT.

 

I suggested a better setup than what they have currently but its been under review for the last month(+). To the other concerns don't have much say.

 

For sure its not like WT's computers are the only ones who can run map art and region greeting programs. Perhaps if they just said the name or gave the link to the tools they used, the community could just do it themselves and there would only be need for restriction if the art or region greetings were like explicit or sexual.

Other than that, I see no reason why making art in an rp server where you can do anything you want should be restricted to the builder boys, or restricted at all.

[E__V__O 1984]

53 minutes ago, Lomiei said:

 

 

For sure its not like WT's computers are the only ones who can run map art and region greeting programs. Perhaps if they just said the name or gave the link to the tools they used, the community could just do it themselves and there would only be need for restriction if the art or region greetings were like explicit or sexual.

Other than that, I see no reason why making art in an rp server where you can do anything you want should be restricted to the builder boys, or restricted at all.

 

To answer your first point, it isn't restricted as per this post explains: 

 

 

The current way Map-art works on the server is you have an image in mind, send it to the WT. They convert it to a map-file and hand it to someone with file access (kowaman). Then on server restart when put in the files the map-art will be available to decern if it is good/bad. So I am unsure how this is broken?

 

The plugin I suggested to the development team and world team was something that'll streamline that process and take 2 minutes for a mapfile to be converted and used as img art without a restart or file access. The plugin being:

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/imageonmap.26585/

 

Voop has been testing the plugin as he from 28/01/2022. Though I haven't heard anything else from that point.

 

This plugin can be given to staff permission, eg- world team to make the custom map and hand them out on any specified size. The WT can also delete the maps easily if found controversal or a flood of them have been made. 

 

I'm sure there is some development issues blocking them from implementation but from personal tests I couldn't see any besides a third party plugin. Though I am not an LoTC coder so i'm sure there is something.

[SoulReapingWolf 2258]

Howdy, evil WT manager here. Overall you raise some valid points in your feedback post but some of them I won't be able to address until an update for what World Team has been doing in the last few... years I guess. I will make sure I go over every section of the post and if I can address it I will do my best to answer those questions, if I can't I'll say so. 
 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

Where is world team? What are they doing?

Where is World Team?
The team currently is in bad shape, despite all of the effort Carol & myself had put into it, it's no secret.

What are we doing?
We are preparing for a new chapter

 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

Map art: Putting pictures on maps and giving it to players for an extra layer of decoration and scenery to a place. Obviously it doesn't have to all be typed out how much this improves the immersion and rp of a building’s interior, or even just makes individual blocks look 1000 times cooler. It also removes the need for 3 or 4 ugly ass signs to be placed in front of the very thing we're supposed to be looking at. But I digress.

What's happening to Map Art?
The process of getting map art into the server has been painful since it was first created by Basket, at first it required an entire group of staff that volunteered to act as reviewers for incoming map art, but it became tedious since it meant I had to bug admins or senior techs to upload files into the server. However after much time complaining and asking for another way to get World team a way to handle both Map art & pastes we were able to get a tool that allows us to upload files into the server. This tool however is only accessible by Admins, Senior Techs, Carol & myself. The software to produce said map art is a bit janky, uploading files into the server is also not something you do lightly, for this reason I took the responsability of handling these types of requests mostly on my own, to make sure any file I was uploading was 'safe'. 

Before winter break (christmass or whatever you want to call it) I was handling all requests in a weekly basis, waiting a week to get all the requests possible before giving people their map art (usually on sundays)

Ok thats cool & all Soul but why do we not have map art now?
Recently however we were asked to put a temporary stop to this service, it will be handled through a different process. 
 

 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

SoulStone Pillars: Of course this is going to be a BIG part of the rp and travel around the large map of almaris, so being able to answer questions about these things is equally as important to the people that use the pillars as it is to the ROs and PROs that have to manage them.

What about Soulstone Pillars?
Honestly, I feel like this one is on players. Soulstone pillars (unless of the emerald variation) are 100% able to be handled by players on their own. There is a shop that sells Soulweaving Tomes on Cloud Temple, you can make 3 redstone blocks put them one on top of each other and run the following instructions.

Run the following command while holding the soulweaving tome & looking at the redstone pillar. 
/ss imbue (insert name for pillar here)
If you wish to add more slots to another pillar you simply purchase a new soulweaving tome (different to the one you've already used) and run the following command while holding the soulweaving tome & looking at the redstone pillar.*
/ss study

*I believe you must be the pillar owner to do this but I might be misremembering. 

If you wish I can write down a simple guide on Soulstone Pillars and post it on the forums.

 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

Region greetings: You all know these, they are what you see when you walk onto a tile/region and see the large paragraph in the bottom left, and theyre ******* awesome.They are very useful for setting a scene and enhancing some aspects of rp that wouldnt be otherwise mentioned. Some people ignore them or read them once and never pay attention again, but the fact is, theyre cool and should be everywhere that PROs and ROs can pay for.

Region Greetings, allowed or not allowed?
I'll talk a bit more about this in the coming update but the short answer is that they are not allowed.
Why are they not allowed if some people have them?

Policies in World Team have been very 'in the air', initially there was nothing set in stone regarding region greetins so a few of us did them for different places. In the last six or so months admins told us they'd prefer if we kept those things to more special locations. This is why they are not used today outside of nation capitals, settlements or event sites.  

 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

Roads: Self Explanatory, connecting one building or town to another.

I honestly don't know what to tell you regarding this. World Team does roads when asked. I did one yesterday. If it's not something like connect Mother Circle with Fenn plz, I'm sure someone would be willing to handle it. I think we have not gotten a ticket regarding roads in months.

 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

Pasting Builds: This one is a sore spot for the community’s interaction with the world team. Never has anyone said that WT is ever pleasant or punctual when it comes to pasting in builds. And while that is not the fault of WT members, it always fascinates us how long some pastes can take to get finished, and how ghostly some of the WTs seem to be as soon as we need them. [As a full disclaimer, I have never had to deal with a WT for a paste, but I have been on the council of ~5 different settlement/nation leaders and have been there for the firsthand accounts.]

What's wrong with pastes?

The team has gotten a lot of flack for this, while some of it is understandable people like to complain way too much. A year ago pastes were few and far between, could take several months to get handled. Nowadays we have pastes that are handled in a period of time between hours and a week. The team gets fingers pointed at them and told they are at fault but the process of pasting in a build is not a process handled only by one person.

If you want I'll tell you the steps.
1. Player makes Wreq requesting a paste.
2. World Team Member takes req, if player is offline they start to handle the ticket by telling player to PM them through discord. (Depending on how long player takes to approach WT it can affect the time it takes for a paste to be completed)
3. WT asks player for schem file, PRO or RO approval. (Again, if player doesn't have these the process takes longer.)
4. WT sends file to a specific channel in staff discord where Carol or myself upload the file to the server. (I try to check this channel every other day but sometimes I miss the notification)
5. WT checks the build for the price, gives the cost to the player and waits for player to say they are able to pay & that they can be around for the paste to happen. (Sometimes players take hours, days, weeks or months to get back to the WT handling their paste after hearing the price.)*
6. Build needs to get pasted in, but first WT must make sure there is nothing on the way, making a region that encompasses the area and evicting it to make sure people don't lose their pixels.

*In this step a WT might notice that a build that's getting pasted is not really up to standard, or that it changes drastically the land around it or that it doesn't fit the terrain, making this process a lot longer.
 

So I ask you. Why do pastes take time?
My answer would be something along the lines of "Because it requires at least three players that might be anywhere in the world to interact. If everything goes well they will be able to do so in a matter of hours, if not then it could take months."

I've been trying my best to handle pastes as fast as possible for people lately. Think I've managed to handle the lasts ones in under a week. 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

Next Map: Self Explanatory, building the next map. And of course building the ET event sites or improving the natural world we already have.

This will be addressed in the update post.

 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

Thirdly, this is not about the things we cant have, as cool as they’d be. Its about the fact that world team does not talk to us. They are just as important as any other team for the longevity and short term beauty of the server, and yet they are the ones who get shit on most by the community, and the ones who get the least attention.

In a few words, if we are not getting back to you is because someone else is not getting back to us. It's impossible for us to sit there and give you all the answers because Carol & I do not have the authority or power to make certain calls. I understand the frustration its been one of my main qualms with Staff ever since I returned to LoTC. I even joined Community Team back then to become the bridge between staff and players, open a communication channel that would allow players to see things happening. However I soon realized that if staff doesn't tell things to players it's not because they want to keep stuff from them, most of the time it's because they don't know themselves. 

 

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

But this, this is the final nail in the coffin for me. 

Some time ago, a young and dumb lomiei_ decided to join WT, to see if he could address some of these issues, to maybe produce some of these benefits to the community, to try and support the team in the lesser important roles so that the main hitters could focus on the big stuff, but most of all, to be a conduit for the community to talk to and see what was going on with the team, since there was not any public figues that answered questions about what was going on with WT.
BUT! ALAS! My app was, for lack of a better term, ignored. A response in a few hours would be impossible, in a few days would be unreasonable… but a week? A week seemed like it wouldnt be too bad for a team that didnt seem to be doing much else. And as such, when 7 days passed, I excitedly pinged the world team… this is what I got.

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[This was taken just now from the public help channel in the main discord, so I hope none of the people here mind being shown.] The last question in the screenshot was left unanswered.

 

Why are they not adding new members? I have no idea. This is quite confusing, considering the fact that the above issues could be addressed by some new blood that has the time and energy to provide aid. And yet, ‘their hands are tied’.

 

Ive been rambling for too damn long so lemme conclude.

Im not asking for map art and region greetings or for builds to be pasted in on time (although those things would be cool).

I'm just asking that the world team makes it easier to discuss things with them, to have open lines of discussion where we can get more than 1 sentence responses to our questions.
That's all, it's completely understood that staff is a volunteer service, and that it's all meant to be a fun and beneficial group for the community, so if anything good comes from this post, lets just… y'know… talk to each other.
Please?
<3
(:
CX

I can't say much regarding this final nail in the coffin, things will become clearer with time, I'm sorry I can't give any more details. 

[monkeypoacher 6993]

12 hours ago, Lomiei said:

Pasting Builds: This one is a sore spot for the community’s interaction with the world team. Never has anyone said that WT is ever pleasant or punctual when it comes to pasting in builds
 

 

because it's a pain in the ass. scheduling it is difficult, running the commands slows the server down and you have to get it right or you slow down the server even more for longer.

 

we should reduce player dependence on the world team (by letting players actually gather resources and build things without WT intervention)

[Adelemphii 962]

can you use a bigger font? I can't read this post without zooming my page to like 250%

[Lomiei 1488]

11 minutes ago, GodOfPie said:

can you use a bigger font? I can't read this post without zooming my page to like 250%

Sawwy

[xMuted 2486]

Would like to give a thumbs up to all the WT members that helped me get my clan hall pasted in, all reacted very quickly.

[Lomiei 1488]

4 hours ago, SoulReapingWolf said:

Howdy, evil WT manager here.

GRRRR DONT TALK TO ME, YOU REJECTED MY APP! DX<

 

4 hours ago, SoulReapingWolf said:

What's happening to Map Art?

 

4 hours ago, SoulReapingWolf said:

What's wrong with pastes?

 

4 hours ago, SoulReapingWolf said:

Why are they not allowed if some people have them?

 

4 hours ago, SoulReapingWolf said:

What's wrong with pastes?

Look there, Thank you soul. 
This is just what I wanted. You took the time to sit down and explain things to the public, and answer questions in a polite way and in very good detail. That is the goal of why I made this post so thank you for bringing that to a reality.

I think one of the biggest problems with the world team in general is that there are no like explainations for things like you just outlined here. At least none that are easy to find references or links to. 
Like Mod team has its own sections on the forum website where the rules they enforce are, story team has the lore pages and redlines (and the wiki technically), community team also has the wiki (obv. for a different purpose than ST but yknow what im saying), and then tech team has that one new recently released project board. But now, if people have questions or whatever about certain things that world team does, good answers are right here. Big poggers

World team, if only they had more people like you who explained things and referenced more information, would not be as looked down upon as they are. I am of course, to reiterate, speaking in my humble ignorant noobie opinion, as I have only been here for like 8 months.