[Complete] Report (Itz_Diogen, Deepdarksamurai, Boknice275, Traveller, TmoneyW)

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Player(s) Involved

Itz_Diogen, Deepdarksamurai, Boknice275, Traveller, TmoneyW

 

Explanation

I don’t really want to be making this report, but the situation has escalated to an unacceptable level. I will provide context. My shaman, Agis Penweather, was in Krugmar when two women (one played by Diogen) began questioning him about his interest in learning alchemy. Agis had just met these people so he did not immediately take them up on their offer, though he expressed interest. When he mentioned the city he hails from (Sulianpoli) both of them asked to visit it. 

 

So my character takes them to Sulianpoli and is followed by an orc. The orc expresses concern that they are both suspicious and the Rex himself is also uneasy about them, to which Agis extrapolates that they could be potential darkspawn. Being a shaman of Scorthuz (which is well-established throughout my RP), Agis suggests using hexed water present in the temple to test if they are darkspawn or not. Both my character, the orc, and Deepdarksamurai (Pamphilos) go up to the temple to find the two already there. My character asks if they wanted to come into the temple, which they agreed to. He uses the phrase baths, in the context of a bath of holy water, not a bath where people bathe. I clarify this fact twice in-character. Diogen’s character and the accompanying individual walk into the temple and remark that it is “too hot.” This is the second time they had made that remark, which made my character (who is already suspicious of them) even more worried about their nature. Eventually, when my character mentions how they could be a potential darkspawn without being tested, Diogen makes an OOC comment about doing “bathhouse roleplay” (I will address that in a second) and logs off.  It is his prerogative to exit any RP he’d like, but the insinuation here (and later the assertion, will address in a moment as well) is that I had framed this RP in an erotic way. Not only is this assertion offensive, it is not even remotely reflective of the actual roleplay that took place.

 

Immediately after receiving this comment (as the logs will show) I messaged Diogen to clarify the roleplay (as I had already done in-character) and to make sure there was no misunderstanding. As of the posting of this ban report, I have received no response from Diogen. 

 

But I have received questioning and scorn from several people OOCly. Shortly after this incident, I go into several Discord chats (will not say the exact ones) and I get told that Diogen has been spreading around the rumor that I (and the others) tried to force him into erotic-type roleplay. I spend an hour or so defending myself (between the two voice chats) that I would not do something like that, and that Diogen completely distorted the situation at hand. In one of the voice chats, someone began using odd arguments to basically say I could be lying, by invoking code that “swingers” use to coax people into their activities– to use their words. Several other people seem to justify Diogen’s suspicion by pointing to the Bronze Elf’s supposed history of engaging in inappropriate roleplay. As many who know me are aware, I am not someone who tries to interact with OOC beef/drama too much. I have been playing this server since 2014. In all my years on the server never have I gotten involved in OOC beef/drama. This is a game. I come here to escape the stresses of life, as do many other people. So I had no clue of the supposed history of the Bronze Elves, or the druids (who many people have told me about), or any other person/player group that constantly gets attacked on the server. I stay away from the nonsense. 

 

Not only that, but I begin receiving screenshots showing Diogen continue to lie about the nature of our RP interaction, like the ones below:

 

 

 

 

Re: “Bathouse.”

 

Not only do the logs prove the intent of the RP was not even remotely sexual, but they also reveal how Diogen distorted the context of the RP setting. The temple (which was referenced in the logs) has two bodies of water in it; one in the center and the other off to the side. One is bubbling with water and steam and the other is not. The water bubbling with water/steam is not where we intended to take Diogen’s character. We intended to use water from the non-steaming pool (one hexed by a WD curse of Scorthuz) to test if they were a spook or not. 

 

Both bodies of water have nothing to do with anything sexual. Both bodies of water represent two distinct deities: the heated one represents Qarkah, a famed lesser spirit on the server of culling, immolation, and cleansing (which is why its steaming) widely considered to be a lesser of Scorthuz. The still water (the hexed pool) represents Scorthuz, spirit of purity, cleansing, and purging. To make matters even clearer as to the nature of both bodies of water: the bubbling water is right below a statue of Qarkah which has fire pouring from it’s mouth/nose. A statue of Scorthuz stands above the non-bubbling waters. Most “bath houses” do not have religious idols hanging up on the walls. The pools are merely reflections of religious idols that are praised in Sulianpoli, and a place for religious sacrament. They are not used for bathing nor sexual purposes and are not meant to cultivate erotic roleplay. Most importantly: both of the cleansing waters are located in a *greek style temple* with columns and several shrines (as mentioned previously) dotted throughout. No reasonable person would believe this is a bathhouse, but Diogen did. And now there is a public perception (amongst some) that I tried to coax him into an erotic situation based on these assertions. All of it is false and bears no truth. There are even folks claiming I am a “known creep.”

 

Here’s more evidence to this extent:

 

 

And a last note about this. I did not want to make this report. I personally considered Diogen a friend. In the past we’ve had good RP and banter about various different topics on LOTC and life. His accusations make me feel absolutely horrible and betrayed. I do believe the severity of this matter rises to a ban report.  I also hope this report clears my name and establishes broader context about what happened. 

 

Evidence logs to establish context. All of these can be omni’d by admins/mods to verify their authenticity. No alterations have been made.

 

Logs here:

 

 

 

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Logs:

 

[19:00:01] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Halfling, are you interested in hunts for alchemy ingredients by any chance? Uruk here is taking us to a field.”

[19:00:15] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Bashag'Ugluk: “Nub, nub yet. Mi iz mizzin azh component mi gruk.”

[19:00:15] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Why do you lot keep calling me a halfling? I am an elf.”

[19:00:31] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “My question stands. Interested in helping us hunt a couple direwolves?”

[19:00:34] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Kybal'Akaal: “Zorri et getz weird when all di odder racez are zhort az zkah.”

[19:00:48] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Direwolves?”

[19:00:56] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Hrm….”

[19:00:58] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Razgor of Light: “Kybal, help mi decide ah name for mi zword.”

[19:01:00] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [!] After being booped by Kybal, all that happened was Kuvirr's eyes rolled up and backwards, displaying only the white of her sclera as the pupils obscured further behind her eyelids. Then with a GASP as if reaching out for air, she snapped back with  her eyes returned to normal. A few panting breathes whisked off her jaw, until she calmed down, quite quickly, into composure. She'd then go after Kybal “What waz the red tree?”

[19:01:02] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Da.”

[19:01:14] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Kuvirr: “Why were urkz fighting around it?”

[19:01:34] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Bashag'Ugluk: “He iz an albai of Sulianpoli.”

[19:01:36] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Kybal'Akaal: “Hmm, dere ar mani theoriez, et wuz juzt a glimpze ov wub di Ilzgul zhowed mi.”

[19:01:37] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “I appreciate the offer, but I am not quite capable of hunting at the moment. I must return to Sulianpoli and meditate on Scorthuz's will.”

[19:01:38] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “What is your name again?” She waved at Razgor.

[19:01:49] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Sulianpoli? What's that?”

[19:01:51] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Although alchemy as an art certainly interests me.”

[19:01:55] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Kybal'Akaal: “Mani warriorz are tu bi flat en a great wagh dat iz komin.”

[19:02:00] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “It is the settlement that lies just outside of these walls.”

[19:02:02] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [!] The urukim was too busy conversing with Kybal.

[19:02:07] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Kybal'Akaal: “Mi kan tak anudder alkhmi ztudent.”

[19:02:15] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Alchemy as an art interests you? I can take in about two more students before it becomes too much of a headache.”

[19:02:38] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Though, I am highly selective of students. So if that is something you are interested in, do let me know.”

[19:02:42] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Well, if you'd consider me then that would be well. I wish to use alchemy to serve the will of Scorthuz.”

[19:02:46] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “But if not, no worries.”

[19:02:49] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Razgor of Light: “Where can mi bird lat?”

[19:02:50] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Bashag'Ugluk: “Sulianpoli is da goi behind uz. Dey are of da Horde.”

[19:02:53] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “I've many crafts to perfect.”

[19:03:12] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Kybal'Akaal: “Mmm.”

[19:03:31] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Would you like to tour Sulianpoli for me while we discuss more about your interests in alchemy?”

[19:03:44] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Very well. Let us go, then.”

 

[19:05:20] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Welcome to our blessed city.”

[19:05:22] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Irene: “It is warm.”

[19:05:26] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Shout] Agis Penweather: “Pamphilos!”

[19:05:27] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are now talking in: Roleplay (20)

[19:05:28] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Blessed? What blessed it?”

[19:05:32] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “The spirits.”

[19:05:47] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Anaxgoras.”

[19:05:58] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “We've visitors, my mentor.”

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[19:06:11] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Wulfric_Borr -> boknice275] hello?

[19:07:03] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Irene: “Is the mask impairing his hearing?” She'd murmur in a singular tone, tilting her head sideways in an attempt to get a differently angled view.

[19:07:27] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SilvertheDM -> boknice275] We can interact with the event tonight

[19:07:35] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Ah there you are!” He waves to them “I am showing the shrine of Qarkah, the great one.”

[19:07:35] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> SilvertheDM] we can? :0

[19:07:39] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Karin'ayla there, bronze Mali.”

[19:07:48] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Come, lliran, join us down here so we may speak easier.”

[19:07:55] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “These two ladies are touring our city as they discuss the art of alchemy with me.”

[19:07:57] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] [Bandaged Arms] Evelynn R'ikarth-Ilkala: “So what is Qarkah's realm?”

[19:08:26] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT]  §7Your §7friend §eIslamadon §7is §7now §coffline§7.

[19:08:36] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SilvertheDM -> boknice275] Yeah

[19:08:50] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SilvertheDM -> boknice275] want me to meet you in Adria

[19:08:58] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> SilvertheDM] do you want to?

[19:09:13] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> SilvertheDM] only if you want to. Malchediael doesn't force things on you.

[19:09:15] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Qarkah's realm is a vast labyrinth where he is the ruler. They say Qarkah's maze is the only way to access the depths of the spirit world. Haunting it are Qarkah's chosen.”

[19:09:23] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> SilvertheDM] unless you're a spook, then he forces judgment.

[19:09:44] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] [Bandaged Arms] Evelynn R'ikarth-Ilkala: “Oh, I mean as in what is he the spirit of?”

[19:09:48] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “I was touring this miss here as well! For she wished to see our temple sites.”

[19:09:53] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Culling and cleaning.”

[19:09:53] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SilvertheDM -> boknice275] Well its a ghost haunt, and I got some aurum

[19:09:56] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [LOOC] [VIP] boknice275: cleansing*

[19:09:59] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Interesting.”

[19:10:05] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Ah, Culling, immolation, and and cleansing.”

[19:10:14] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Do you mind if I were to stroll around to tour this city?”

[19:10:21] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Personally, I prefer Scorthuz, but I respect Qarkah.”

[19:10:27] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Ti, it is by Qarkah's culling knife that the weakest are purged, and the herd is made all the stronger.”

[19:10:40] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “..Yeah, that is why I enjoy Scorthuz.”

[19:10:41] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Ne llir go right ahead! We were to just go up to the temple complexes.”

[19:10:53] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Ahernan.”

[19:11:13] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Oh, a brudda, ug.”

[19:11:15] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> Itz_Diogen] yo, i may need to hop on a different persona if you wanted to continue the alchemy talk later?

[19:11:21] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “….”

[19:11:31] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Itz_Diogen -> boknice275] thats okay

[19:11:32] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Did you really just try to talk like an Orc, Anaxagoras?”

[19:11:33] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Bandaged Arms] Evelynn R'ikarth-Ilkala: “Are they a lesser of Scorthuz?”

[19:11:38] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk: “Ug, bruddah. Mi follow.. Be wary of doez dub. Dey is zneaky.”

[19:11:45] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> Itz_Diogen] i can't believe i was just handed an opportunityl ike that though lol so i don't wanna lose it.

[19:11:50] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Welcome, brave Ugluk” He nods “Your loyalty is warranted.”

[19:11:53] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Oh?”

[19:11:58] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Do you believe they are darkspawn?”

[19:12:02] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Ti, Agis, for I have long since earned the krugger card.”

[19:12:12] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SilvertheDM -> boknice275] alright so the thing will occur in a hour

[19:12:15] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Ne, but I have never seen them before!”

[19:12:17] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> SilvertheDM] ahhhh.

[19:12:25] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk: “Mi haz mi zuzpicionz. Dey iz zum off bout 'em.”

[19:12:31] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [LOOC] [VIP] Poppycon: i dont know which emote is towards who

[19:12:33] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Then we should detain them.”

[19:12:37] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “And question them.”

[19:12:45] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Are you lot up to the task?”

[19:12:58] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> SilvertheDM] okay then i'll be on phil in a bit.

[19:13:10] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk: “Sadly da azh is da Rex teacha in alkhemi. Skullcrusha wants to flat 'em, but we can nub till da Rex learns da knowledge.”

[19:13:22] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are now talking in: Undertone (8)

[19:13:26] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “They offered me alchemy.”

[19:13:31] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “I certainly want to learn it.”

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[19:13:50] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “You should take it if you wish! They are welcome to use our academy as well.”

[19:13:59] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT]  §7Your §7friend §eBeh0lder_ §7is §7now §coffline§7.

[19:14:00] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Miss luthriel runs it but she would enjoy the company.”

[19:14:19] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “But if they are darkspawn..”

[19:14:24] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “Then we should investigate.”

[19:14:31] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Then we should test them in the baths, ne?”

[19:14:37] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “My orcish brother, come with me.”

[19:14:40] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk: “Kybal is leernin' mi, maybe you can blah to him, bub bi wary of dem. When mi walk up mi heard dem blah about whackin zum'azh in da head wit a stik. Den dey azked you to go on a hunt.”

[19:14:48] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “Anaxagoras and friend, feel free to follow.”

[19:14:51] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Speaking of which, let us go up there!”

 

 

[19:14:55] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk shakes his head “Mi can nub.”

[19:14:56] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Let's find them.”

[19:15:04] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk: “Rex has given ordas.”

[19:15:19] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Down.”

[19:15:24] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk: §8*muffled*

[19:15:59] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Where'd they go?”

[19:16:12] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Bashag'Ugluk: “Hmmm..”

[19:16:59] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Nobody heard you...

[19:16:59] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Orc.”

[19:17:40] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are now talking in: Roleplay (20)

[19:17:42] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “So, you two..”

[19:17:51] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Would you like to bathe in our waters?”

[19:18:03] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “…Bathe with strangers in a communal bath house?”

[19:18:09] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “No, no. Not like that.”

[19:18:20] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “These are cleansing waters, meant for partial application to one's body.”

[19:18:30] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Do ne have any impure thoughts, please llir, these are sacred deeds!”

[19:18:36] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Indeed.”

[19:18:49] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “I will already be in the temple.”

[19:18:54] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Come.”

[19:19:04] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “I will watch at most.”

[19:20:11] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [!] The temple's heat is oppressive! Steam and incense smoke rise and mix in the air. Smoke pours from the eyes of the bull.

[19:20:34] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Blessed heat.”

[19:20:38] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [!] The elven high priest already neared the cooler part of the temple complex where dew covered every surface.

[19:20:41] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Irene: “It is hot.”

[19:20:46] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Come.”

[19:21:00] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “I am fine watching from a distance.”

[19:21:07] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “This is… Quite the culture shock.”

[19:21:09] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Why don't you wish to come deeper into our temple?”

[19:21:26] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are now talking in: Undertone (8)

[19:21:30] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “They don't like heat.”

[19:21:32] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Lok Scorthuz! Lok goth ob bokboz!” He beamed as he entered into the baths, a silver chalice in hand. Instantly is all grime cleansed from him\.

[19:21:36] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk: “Yub.”

[19:21:39] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “Hmm.”

[19:21:55] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “It is alright, llir, it is likely they need cooler clothes. Next time we will supply them with togas.”

[19:22:07] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “It is sus llir!!!”

[19:22:07] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “Or maybe they're darkspawn.”

[19:22:22] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Can you comrades hear me?”

[19:22:31] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are now talking in: Roleplay (20)

[19:22:39] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Right… I will see you at a later date.” She nodded to Agis. “We will discuss more about your interests in alchemy somewhere in Krugmar.”

[19:22:46] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Wait.”

[19:22:51] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Ne baths here? We have another that is ne in the firey temple!” He beamed as he waved at them.

[19:22:59] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “I cannot learn from someone who does not dip themselves into the cleansing waters of Scorthuz.”

[19:23:16] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT]  §7Your §7friend §eGajaTheMessiah §7is §7now §aonline§7.

[19:23:34] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “You could both me darkspawn, for all I know.”

[19:23:37] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [LOOC] [VIP] boknice275: be*

[19:23:48] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “Are you really trying to peer pressure women into bathing with you under the impression of being darkspawn?”

[19:23:59] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [LOOC] [VIP] Itz_Diogen: sry im uncomfortable doing bath house RP LOL, i'll catch you later

[19:24:27] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> Itz_Diogen] LOL it's not bath house rp my dude.

[19:24:42] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> Itz_Diogen] agis was going to spook test you, like he does to everyone, by throwing hexed water on you

[19:24:46] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [LOOC] [VIP] boknice275: it's not bath house rp wtf

[19:24:55] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “They are gone, llir perhaps your suspision is warranted.”

[19:25:29] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> Itz_Diogen] i obviously wouldn't do anything inappropriate or whatever. that's not what this is lol i don't want you getting the wrong idea.

[19:25:34] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [LOOC] [VIP] DeepDarkSamurai: I think diogen doesnt like our ladly rp since once we fought against them when they tried to take over hnor, several times have I been badmouthed in ooc even though theres nothing about it!

[19:25:43] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Bashag'Ugluk: “Like mi blah'd, Skullcrusha want to flat em. Yet we handz is tied due to da Rex leernin' from azh em.”

[19:25:53] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Lads, I did ne wish to think this is true, but it obviously is.”

[19:25:55] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> TMoneyW] do you think the rp we just did was inappropriate/erotic?

[19:26:02] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> TMoneyW] im so confused.

[19:26:16] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [TMoneyW -> boknice275] No not at all, they just using ooc excuses to escape the RP prob

[19:26:18] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “When The Rex has taken the information he needs, let us coover them in salt then deliver them to the brazen bull.”

 

 

Relevant Material

Evidence

In thread.

 

(x, y, z)

01/28/23

 

Evidence of uncooperative conduct.

Evidence

I tried messaging them in-game (as logs show, and can be substantiated through omni) and unfortunately I received no response. They decided to spread unsubstantiated claims around about me instead of responding.

 

 

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[rukio 8910]

I don't like how there's cut off context where it's very clear we're all talking about the group's mindset being uncomfortable to be around, vs you as an individual. My response is about things deepdark has done in the past (including a screenshot of him emoting his toga being blown off). My name weirdly isn't included on who can reply but I'm in almost every screenshot. 

 

Dio and other people were talking about how it feels really vile, weird, and uncomfortable to tell a female persona to use a bathhouse- especially given the current culture and forum posts about why we should remove bathhouse roleplay. 

 

To you the roleplay bathhouse may not be sexual. To others, being told to take a communal bath with males as a female persona may make them feel unsafe. There is no truly disparaging comment about you in any of the comments. Just that Dio felt the situation was vile and that bronze elves have a history of doing things that are questionable in nature, which is objectively true, with a moderator suggesting that people compile a report, as they're trained to do. 

 

Also, as a side note, messaging someone in-game after making them feel uncomfortable may not be the best way to try to resolve it. Going through a moderator, having a blue tag contact them, will probably be a better way of getting a response from someone who made it clear they felt uncomfortable/unsafe in the future.

 

Weird report, not a fan, not a fan of not being included in the list of people who can reply, given half of some of the screenshots are just my discord tag. 

[Privet 1840]

While I am not included in this I believe I can shed some light on the slander that has been going on about Deepdark and the bronze band, specifically upon the emote where his toga was blown off.

These logs are from 2022-03-26 at around 10:00 PST and 10:07 PST respectively

Reacting to this emote, a voidal fireball being interrupted by a thanhium arrow causing it to explode upon the caster and those nearby,

THIS is the emote, this is what they say he is a degenerate and slander his name for, simply misdescribing the top half of his toga blowing off from the explosion. After this emote, he proceeded to remove ONLY the chest layer of his skin, which all present could plainly see. Clearly this is just part of their vendetta against Deepdark for opposing the Snow Elven takeover of Haelun'or where they would consistently attack people in the street simply for gathering and trying to roleplay. Which people are ACTUALLY banned for, by the way. 

 

EDIT: Also, Deepdark has never been banned for inappropriate roleplay, and had never been banned in the 10+ years he has played on this server until going to Fenn for spiritualist RP with the Dark Elves, where when being told by a moderator he could leave, was then banned for leaving rp by a mod sympathetic to the Snow Elves. Who is ZachoSnacko, apparently a Krug mod at the time, but could now be considered a Celia'Norian (Snow Elven) mod.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Privet

[Boknice275 1186]

Re: Rukio.

 

A. I am sorry I didn't include you in the report. I didn't know you were apart of the Discord conversation, so my mistake.
B. The report has established that the RP that occurred on 1/28/2023 and is reflected in the logs provided was not, in fact, "bathhouse roleplay." For brevity, I shall re-state a few reasons as to why:

Bathhouses tend not to have religious idols on their walls with fire and smoke blowing out of their nose.

Bathhouses tend not be inside greek-style religious temples.

Bathhouses tend to be covered in steam entirely, not a single part represented by a deity that reflects immolation (and thus explains the steam).

 

All of this is merely incidental. As it relates to the actual roleplay, I clarified my intent twice during the entire ordeal ICly, and then I re-clarified it oocly. At that time, however, Diogen simply just didn't answer my message and resorted to slandering the Bronze Band (which includes me, Deepdarksamurai, and others) for an offense that did not happen. I hopped into several Discord voice calls randomly (as is my ritual) and I immediately got grilled and criticized for an offense I did not commit, and for being friends with Deepdarksamurai, who I have known for more than half a decade. This begs the question: if Diogen did not feel comfortable enough to address this issue with me, but felt more than comfortable to go on a misinformation tour across LOTC discord, was he really unable to address this in private?

 

 

Just to reiterate: the acropolis (where the RP took place) is not a bathhouse. It is a religious temple. And the type of roleplay we were doing is nowhere close to bathhouse roleplay - I don't even know what that looks like because my mind is not in the gutter. This is a children's game. I have been playing this game since I was fourteen, and I have personally witnessed friends of mine over the years deal with people who had impure intentions. The assertion that I, or Samurai, or anyone else on that day (or ever) has engaged in Bathhouse roleplay, especially given the evidence against that claim, is absurd.

 

And last point: this report is not weird. I have never had an incident like this in all my time of being on LOTC, and almost immediately I became associated with an action I would never commit. This report is necessary to establish context and ensure proper action is taken.

 

[Boknice275 1186]

B. The room is not full of bathwater; it is full of sacramental waters. This is the fundamental claim you're making that is untrue. Plenty of churches around the world have giant vats of holy water in their sanctuaries. Some temples in the east even have entire bodies of water they use for purification. In the Hindu faith, Theertham (or Tirtha) refers to water or sacred water. Tirtha is basically a large body of water in a temple or adjacent to it that one 'dips' into to receive purification. In Christianity, this is sometimes referred to as baptism. None of this is sexual and none of it even verges upon being a bathhouse, as bathhouses mostly just have *steam,* not large bodies of water with religious significance. You continue to not recognize what the evidence clearly demonstrates and that worries me.

 

C. I believe that it is my duty to ensure everyone is comfortable with the RP they involved in. This is why I clarified twice ICly and three times oocly the exact nature of the roleplay. And of course, Diogen was free to leave at any time, even before entering the temple (which they did willingly). No one coaxed them into any kind of setting, and even Tyto was exceptionally clear ICly what kind of roleplay this was. Don't believe me? Here's an excerpt from the logs:

 

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[19:18:03] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “…Bathe with strangers in a communal bath house?”

[19:18:09] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “No, no. Not like that.”

[19:18:20] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “These are cleansing waters, meant for partial application to one's body.”

[19:18:30] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Do ne have any impure thoughts, please llir, these are sacred deeds!”

[19:18:36] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Indeed.”

 

At some point, "lived experience" has to correspond to reality or it cannot feasibly be accomodated. I respect Diogen's right to know what kind of RP they're involving themselves in, which is why I repeatedly clarified. I can only do so much.

 

Re: Bronze Elves. It is not fair to litigate every issue with a particular player group by accusing them of predatory behavior.  One thing I do not like about LOTC is how people decide who they RP with. Many people rely on rumors/distortions and then pressure others to do the same, kind of like high school drama/bullying. I'm not saying you're doing this, but much of the discourse surrounding Samurai is very much of that nature. But that's a different topic for a different day.

 

D. It's not harrassment if someone hears a rumor and questions you about it. But it certainly is behavior that made me feel uncomfortable, ganged up on, and attacked for no good reason. Also, Diogen's posting (and going around certain Discord servers to spread his narrative) is what precipitated those questions. Diogen is ultimately responsible for what followed, especially since he was actively trying to stir up a witch hunt ("get evidence so i can make a report") over an event that was not what he claimed it was.

 

E. People have all kinds of opinions. But what is the truth? The truth is that the Acropolis is a religious temple. If players no longer saw Aaun as a legitimate kingdom but it still remained as one, would Aaun all of a sudden no longer be a kingdom? No, because that's not how designation works. Anyone who seriously thinks a religious temple that utilizes sacraments common to millions of faithful around the world is a "bathhouse" is simply wrong.

 

F. After he made his claim OOCly to me in the logs I immediately followed up three times to ensure he was OK. All of those three times he was still logged in-game. I tried to resolve this, but he resorted to spreading distortions instead of responding to me.

 

Al in all, this report is not weird. The celia'unor group chat (and other chats) immediately had the perception that the Bronze Band as a whole are perverts, and what occurred the other day was an erotic RP. I had to personally stave off several inquiries to this effect. This is a matter that could have been handled in private but Diogen made a different decision. And so I responded in kind.

 

-Fin.

 

 

[Traveller 2172]

This is a joint response from Diogen and Traveller.

 

I’m going to respond to this post with Diogen as the so-called “accompanying individual.” After reading this, this feels like boknice took us feeling uncomfortable to another level and took the situation personally, which is okay and I can understand why he’d feel like that, but to call for us to be banned because we left the RP in question because we were uncomfortable seems like a reach in this case.

 

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"So my character takes them to Sulianpoli and is followed by an orc. The orc expresses concern that they are both suspicious and the Rex himself is also uneasy about them, to which Agis extrapolates that they could be potential darkspawn."

 

DrunkPapaBear (The Rex) was AFK at the time of this RP happening, including as far as someone saying he is “asleep”. He was located in the gatehouse and did not move or emote for the entire RP, including when we left for Sulianpoli. 

 

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"My character asks if they wanted to come into the temple, which they agreed to. He uses the phrase baths, in the context of a bath of holy water, not a bath where people bathe."

 

You said “Come.” to which Diogen responded. “I will watch at most.” This was not an acceptance of an invitation. There is also little difference between these two concepts, considering they are both holes in the ground with steaming water that you sit in, which DeepDarkSamurai’s character did. Surely one can understand, especially about the recent community uproar about bathhouses and bathhouse RP should be banned, how it could make two people, both playing women uncomfortable when invited into such. It does not matter if it was holy water, when it was perceived by both me and Diogen as a bathhouse.

 

I’d also like to say that your character was very ambiguous when originally proposing such an invitation, Diogen’s character had to pry with a comment showing he was uncomfortable to get the actual information of what these bathhouses are out of your character. Again, leaving the initial invitation so open-ended just seemed odd to us and already sparked some uncomfortableness. We shouldn’t have to dig for the “true intentions” when it’s surrounding something that is so infamous in the community, even to the point of that complaint post last week calling for them to be banned.

 

 

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"Diogen’s character and the accompanying individual walk into the temple and remark that it is “too hot.” This is the second time they had made that remark, which made my character (who is already suspicious of them) even more worried about their nature."

 

It was my character who said that, not Diogen. I emoted this because we were literally at the bottom/inside a volcano, and DeepDarkSamurai quite literally emoted the bathhouse being hot. To assume we are darkspawn from that is ridiculous. And then we can go into your logs that you posted of your own on this post, seeing you went into quiet and made an egregious metagaming attempt, as seen below.
 

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[19:18:54] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Come.”

[19:19:04] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “I will watch at most.”

[19:20:11] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [!] The temple's heat is oppressive! Steam and incense smoke rise and mix in the air. Smoke pours from the eyes of the bull.

[19:20:34] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Blessed heat.”

[19:20:38] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [!] The elven high priest already neared the cooler part of the temple complex where dew covered every surface.

[19:20:41] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Irene: “It is hot.”

[19:20:46] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Come.”

[19:21:00] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “I am fine watching from a distance.”

[19:21:07] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “This is… Quite the culture shock.”

[19:21:09] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “Why don't you wish to come deeper into our temple?”

[19:21:26] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are now talking in: Undertone (8)

[19:21:30] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “They don't like heat.”

[19:21:32] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “Lok Scorthuz! Lok goth ob bokboz!” He beamed as he entered into the baths, a silver chalice in hand. Instantly is all grime cleansed from him\.

[19:21:36] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Bashag'Ugluk: “Yub.”

[19:21:39] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “Hmm.”

[19:21:55] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “It is alright, llir, it is likely they need cooler clothes. Next time we will supply them with togas.”

[19:22:07] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “It is sus llir!!!”

[19:22:07] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Quiet] Agis Penweather: “Or maybe they're darkspawn.”
 

 

Again, to emote and mention numerous times IRPly that it is hot then accuse us of being darkspawn because my character says it’s hot. We don’t want to get into water with unknown men as our characters so we must be darkspawn. It's not a strange and outlandish reaction to refuse such. I also do not like the connotation in a quiet conversation in our presence but not privy to that you will supply two women with togas and then DeepDarkSamurai even checks if we can hear him after he says this in quiet. We won’t even mention the meme RP.
 

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"Eventually, when my character mentions how they could be a potential darkspawn without being tested, Diogen makes an OOC comment about doing “bathhouse roleplay” (I will address that in a second) and logs off."

You made the accusation in #q as we can see via logs. Diogen and myself also DID NOT log off. We went back to Nor’asath, which can be proven via logs and timestamps. Maybe the fact that we took off was related to the group of Bronze Elves in front of us borderline begging for us to come and sit in the bath and we were actually uncomfortable with the RP.

 

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"It is his prerogative to exit any RP he’d like, but the insinuation here (and later the assertion, will address in a moment as well) is that I had framed this RP in an erotic way. Not only is this assertion offensive, it is not even remotely reflective of the actual roleplay that took place."

 

What is wrong with anyone with exiting RP that they are not comfortable with, regardless of the situation? I also think it is reflective because this response is how we viewed the situation at the time and afterwards. 

 

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"Immediately after receiving this comment (as the logs will show) I messaged Diogen to clarify the roleplay (as I had already done in-character) and to make sure there was no misunderstanding. As of the posting of this ban report, I have received no response from Diogen."

 

(I further elaborate on this point in the screenshots down the page of discord dms.) When the situation happened, it was rather late (me and Diogen are both from Europe.) The situation was done and dealt with when we removed ourselves from the situation. It did not constitute a message or any more clarification from Diogen because the final message that was said before we SS’d out was. “Sorry, I am uncomfortable doing bath house RP lol, I'll catch you later.” from Diogen.

 

The RP in question made myself and Diogen uncomfortable, we should not have to be further subjected to discuss it in greater detail for boknice’s sake. It was us who were made uncomfortable. Diogen also did not respond because he explicitly said. “I’ll catch you later.” and in dms, “I’ll talk to you about it when I wake up.” To me, these two messages do not seem like meticulously planned to paint you as coaxing into ERP like you are framing Diogen out to be. To us, we are just simply avoiding an uncomfortable situation that in our eyes, could’ve evolved based on reputation in the community. The situation should’ve ended there.
 

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"But I have received questioning and scorn from several people OOCly. Shortly after this incident, I go into several Discord chats (will not say the exact ones) and I get told that Diogen has been spreading around the rumor that I (and the others) tried to force him into erotic-type roleplay."

You make this claim yet none of your screenshots show this. Nowhere in your evidence does Diogen mention anything about being forced into erotic RP. I don’t think Diogen posting screenshots of logs of RP that actually happened and those same logs that are in your post in Celia’nor’s Discord is damning. It doesn’t feel like any consideration was given to us being uncomfortable more so you and your community are trying to save face.

 

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"I spend an hour or so defending myself (between the two voice chats) that I would not do something like that, and that Diogen completely distorted the situation at hand. In one of the voice chats, someone began using odd arguments to basically say I could be lying, by invoking code that “swingers” use to coax people into their activities– to use their words."

It feels like these unrelated actions to myself or Diogen to make us seem worse despite it not being from ourselves. Neither of us accused you of this.
 

I don’t really know what else to say about this because it’s not about us and again, I don’t know why it’s in this report.

 

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"Several other people seem to justify Diogen’s suspicion by pointing to the Bronze Elf’s supposed history of engaging in inappropriate roleplay. As many who know me are aware, I am not someone who tries to interact with OOC beef/drama too much. I have been playing this server since 2014. In all my years on the server never have I gotten involved in OOC beef/drama. This is a game. I come here to escape the stresses of life, as do many other people. So I had no clue of the supposed history of the Bronze Elves, or the druids (who many people have told me about), or any other person/player group that constantly gets attacked on the server. I stay away from the nonsense."

 

Regardless if you do not try to “OOC beef/drama” you made us uncomfortable, and the history of this community and the infractions some members have gained because of it, even if you do not “interact” with it, me and Diogen know this history and we can’t help but be wary when we are placed in such a situation involving a bathhouse. Also: “This is a game.” Exactly. So why should we be penalised for leaving a situation that made us uncomfortable? I don’t think an extensive history lesson needed to be had to understand the situation that we were in made us not feel comfortable, especially when the LEADER of the group is suggesting in quiet just out of our ear range that we need togas as women characters that we should wear them into a bath? Including afterwards going back into #RP and checking if we can hear him.

 

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"Not only that, but I begin receiving screenshots showing Diogen continue to lie about the nature of our RP interaction, like the ones below:"

You can be offended by these screenshots, but once more, there is no lying in these screenshots. I understand if you’re upset but all that is shown in the screenshots from Diogen’s end, since it is a report on him and me, is that he said the situation was vile, stated a very very brief history on the Bronze Elves and that your build looks like a landscar and is ugly. Sure he says you tried to peer pressure us into joining you in the bath, but that’s… exactly what happened? The persistent emotes of “Come.” and constant attempts at convincing us despite our refusal numerous times until Diogen had to say something in OOC and we distanced ourselves.
 

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"And a last note about this. I did not want to make this report. I personally considered Diogen a friend. In the past we’ve had good RP and banter about various different topics on LOTC and life. His accusations make me feel absolutely horrible and betrayed. I do believe the severity of this matter rises to a ban report.  I also hope this report clears my name and establishes a broader context about what happened."

 

 

I believe that both sides have misunderstood the situation, and I still stand by that we had a right to remove ourselves from that uncomfortable situation, which we did. It wasn't about any testing it was purely because we did not feel at ease being in that scenario, which is something I hope you can understand from our point of view. Diogen's discomfort of the situation resulted in him going to these Discords and drastically spreading such screenshots of IRP logs, not out of malice but out of a state of bewilderment and shock.

 

We do not want to deal with situations like this, I’m sure like yourself, we just want to play. The screenshots below speak for themselves. We do not want boknice or anyone involved to get banned, punished or further hurt from the situation. It feels like his first instinct wasn’t to make sure we were okay and submitting the report as fast as possible, to the point where it is submitted in the middle of the night for us and we’re asleep. I understand this could have been in a panic, but we feel like this escalated to a report too quickly, you claim no communication but communication is bound to be impaired when we are in vastly different time zones. 

 

Another important thing to mention is that Diogen and myself were spook-tested throughout many communities, even caught and executed with 50+ people watching, posts made about us exposing our natures and were never once bad faith about it. We were not not aware of the reason behind the bathhouse situation until the last second, having been extremely uncomfortable by then, thirty or so minutes into the situation.
 

That is all we will say on such, there are some more relevant screenshots below:

Spoiler

Claims were made that Diogen apparently joined a VC to talk smack about Boknice when that wasn’t the case, as Muppet admitted, as he had been in Nor’Asath VC throughout the entirety of that time.

[Privet 1840]

16 minutes ago, Traveller said:

Regardless if you do not try to “OOC beef/drama” you made us uncomfortable, and the history of this community and the infractions some members have gained because of it, even if you do not “interact” with it, me and Diogen know this history and we can’t help but be wary when we are placed in such a situation involving a bathhouse.

Another reminder nobody in the Bronze Elves let alone Deepdark has received infractions or bans for inappropriate roleplay, another slanderous comment. Which the report is about, not the fact you guys left the roleplay, it's about you slandering players.

Edited January 29, 2023 by Privet

[Diogen 3071]

Perspective can become a curious subject, and I feel like that is where this whole ordeal stems from. We have lacked thoughtfulness towards one another in the whole process. 
 

As Sterling K. Brown once said; “Empathy begins with understanding life from another person's perspective. Nobody has an objective experience of reality. It's all through our own individual prisms,” yet we have avoided this extremely simplistic and humane factor from both sides of the issue. And I feel like that is what I want to add here. 
 

Both sides are uncomfortable, that much has been made clear throughout the entire report and discussion which has followed, and the core fact of the matter is that no one on the server should be forced to feel discomfort in any scenario whatsoever. Both sides have made mistakes, both sides have acted rash; and now both sides are trying to defend themselves from the tight grasp of hatred towards each other. And yet there is next to no reason for this hatred to burrow through the layers of our skin, and nor was there ever truly reason (from my own perspective) to create an entire report on us for this entire situation. So perhaps, it’d be wiser to look from both perspectives of the situation; perceiving from both sides one by one to truthfully understand what has occurred and the reasons behind them. 
 

Let me start with my own side, because that is the side which I know the best. We have a simple fact which has been mentioned by Traveller in the above reply; DISCOMFORT. We were extremely uncomfortable with the situation at hand. We felt forced into a roleplay which we desired no reasonable involvement in. We tried (from our perspective) to communicate this to the players and we felt as though our communication was avoided. I tried to reach out to discuss the situation; I tried to solve the issue before further issues arose, yet I was met by the notion that “we will continue this on the forum” of which was never my desire. This whole situation has blown a hole in a dam which merely needed maintenance at the start. 
 

Yes. I confess that in the bewilderment of the situation which has occurred throughout the last two days, I acted drastically. I acted, perhaps, without care for consequence nor thought of the connotation applied and for that I apologize. I desired, in that time, to feel validated for my own discomfort and reached out into a larger audience than I should’ve done. It was not optimal yet as all humans do; I made this mistake. 
 

It seems that from your perspective, Traveller and I are the most malicious beasts which exist on the server. You desired not truly to communicate with us privately and would rather blow up a storm from the situation on the forums. I am uncertain if this is to redeem yourself from the thoughts people have applied to your name or to attempt to start a witch-hunt on both Traveller and I, but frankly it is irrelevant to me. I would just like for this all to be solved peacefully, without anyone from any side feeling as though they have won or lost; because this situation was never supposed to be a win-or-lose situation.  
 

If you feel as though we have roleplayed badly, then I am sorry. If you feel as though you have been targeted, then I am sorry. If you feel as though we have been uncommunicative, then I am sorry. I cannot control your perspective but I try to understand your side, and in turn I ask that you try to understand mine. I acted rashly in a time of absolute discomfort of the situation which had occurred to me. I said certain things in a wider audience than needed. I sought validation. I sought comfort. I understand this might be an issue for you, but I ask you to understand how the connotations of the roleplay made US feel in the moments and time thereafter. I ask you to understand and to see without care for personal defense how this situation impacted us as players of the characters involved. 
 

I have let my guard down here, I admit to my mistakes as reasonable people should be able to do, and I would like for the situation to end. I have no desire to witch-hunt you nor your community. I have no desire to further accuse anyone of anything. I would simply like for this to be over. And so I hope you can let your walls come down as well. That you can view the situation from my, our, perspective and try to put yourselves there. Try to view the other side. All this situation needed was a small discussion, an I am sorry from both sides, and a friendly handshake to seal the deal.
 

Please. Let that be the end. 
 

[Privet 1840]

17 hours ago, Diogen said:

Both sides are uncomfortable, that much has been made clear throughout the entire report and discussion which has followed, and the core fact of the matter is that no one on the server should be forced to feel discomfort in any scenario whatsoever. Both sides have made mistakes, both sides have acted rash; and now both sides are trying to defend themselves from the tight grasp of hatred towards each other. And yet there is next to no reason for this hatred to burrow through the layers of our skin, and nor was there ever truly reason (from my own perspective) to create an entire report on us for this entire situation. So perhaps, it’d be wiser to look from both perspectives of the situation; perceiving from both sides one by one to truthfully understand what has occurred and the reasons behind them. 

Both sides did not make mistakes, perhaps in dealing with the aftermath of this scenario, but you twisted a temple made for religious purposes in to 'a bathouse', spreading various screenshots without context, and reiterated this in Traveler's reply, leading to harassment of two individuals who merely want to roleplay and create roleplay for other people. It shows in the screenshots you were in the motions of creating your own ban report, so to say 'nor was there ever truly reason (from my own perspective) to create an entire report on us for this entire situation' would be false, since you were obviously prepared to make your own report over the situation. This seems like a last minute apology only created because you realized you could actually get in hot water over this situation, and wanted to save yourself from being banned from the roleplay server you made hostile for two other individuals.

 

Apologies for slander usually come with full admission of false statements, I suggest you write one about your statements on Boknice and Deepdark.

[Diogen 3071]

18 minutes ago, Privet said:

Both sides did not make mistakes, perhaps in dealing with the aftermath of this scenario, but you twisted a temple made for religious purposes in to 'a bathouse', spreading various screenshots without context, and reiterated this in Traveler's reply, leading to harassment of two individuals who merely want to roleplay and create roleplay for other people. It shows in the screenshots you were in the motions of creating your own ban report, so to say 'nor was there ever truly reason (from my own perspective) to create an entire report on us for this entire situation' would be false, since you were obviously prepared to make your own report over the situation. This seems like a last minute apology only created because you realized you could actually get in hot water over this situation, and wanted to save yourself from being banned from the roleplay server you made hostile for two other individuals.

 

Apologies for slander usually come with full admission of false statements, I suggest you write one about your statements on Boknice and Deepdark.

 

To claim both sides did not make mistakes is simply incorrect and you should take the time to view this carefully in your own perspective. If you take the time to actually read the response and contemplate what the response says; then those messages, those actions, were done in the midst of bewilderment of the situation which made me feel uncomfortable. When you feel uncomfortable you seek validation of your discomfort, this is a rather obvious physiological process, and in this case my response became “this needs to be dealt with” before I had the time to truly process everything (which was closely before this report was posted). 
 

Your side is in the wrong, if you cannot admit that yourself then you have a deep issue in your mentality that you might want to look into. Your roleplay made US uncomfortable. Your roleplay caused us ACTIVE DISCOMFORT and we vividly expressed this. In the moment this was addressed you should’ve looked more lightly. You are, as well as us, responsible for the insurance that this community feels safe and comfortable wherever you might be. 
 

To quote the Safety rules released earlier this year; “You’re allowed to say “stop” at any time, and your partner needs to respect that.” Perhaps this discusses sexual consent (which was later explained to not be such) yet it remains as relevant in any situation of discomfort. We said stop. You did not respect our wishes. We removed ourselves from the situation. I acted rashly, I have confessed to this fact and I have apologized, but your side is certainly not innocent here and to claim that would be plainly false. 
 

Furthermore, I’d like to know (and actively wonder) why someone unmentioned and seemingly unrelated to the report itself continues to comment in defense (and oppositely in attack) of the involved parties?

[Privet 1840]

4 minutes ago, Diogen said:

 

To claim both sides did not make mistakes is simply incorrect and you should take the time to view this carefully in your own perspective. If you take the time to actually read the response and contemplate what the response says; then those messages, those actions, were done in the midst of bewilderment of the situation which made me feel uncomfortable. When you feel uncomfortable you seek validation of your discomfort, this is a rather obvious physiological process, and in this case my response became “this needs to be dealt with” before I had the time to truly process everything (which was closely before this report was posted). 

You are free to feel uncomfortable over the situation, but you are not free from the consequences of the actions you take due to the state of mind you were in. I speak for Deepdark because he does not wish to involve himself in OOC gossip or drama, seeing as he is only interested in roleplaying, as I have mentioned before. 

 

It is telling that you double down instead of making a full retraction of your statements, and instead choose to berate me over apparently being unrelated to the situation.

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[Boknice275 1186]

A few comments on both responses.

 

RE: "Boknice is calling for us to be banned because we left the roleplay."

 

This is another egregious mischaracterization and a feeble excuse to cover for bad behavior. I have affirmed the right of Diogen and Traveller to leave the RP numerous times in this post and in my replies throughout the thread. Everyone has the right to withdraw from RP that makes them uncomfortable. This complaint was not that you left. As I said, if you had simply left this report would not have been filed and would likely be dismissed by now. Diogen left and then proceeded to slander me, Tyto, and the rest of the Bronze Elves by mischaracterizing the RP that took place. This is clearly demonstrated in the Discord screenshots and Diogen's assertion that we "peer pressured" him into bathing with us. This mischaracterization is also strongly present in Diogen's assertion that the RP setting is a bathhouse when, in fact, it is a religious temple. All of these characterizations have been devised to one effect: to slander RPers who were (potentially) about to expose Diogen's character as a darkspawn. This is not the first time Diogen has exhibited this behavior, but I am doing my best to keep my complaints grounded in the contents of my report.

 

The facts are simple: you accused us of framing the roleplay on exotic grounds. You then went and shared the following screenshot to several chats, which include text from my character (Agis Penweather), and then proceeded to call it "vile." Not only did you share the following screenshot to people, you intentionally cut up parts of what we said to make it seem nefarious. This is what you shared, Diogen:

 

 

 

In your excerpt, you omit my response to your question and make it seem as if the answer was 'yes'.

 

And yet, here's the full context:

 

19:18:03] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Arùnia] NPC: “…Bathe with strangers in a communal bath house?”

[19:18:09] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “No, no. Not like that.”

[19:18:20] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Agis Penweather: “These are cleansing waters, meant for partial application to one's body.”

 

This was an intentiona, deliberate edit meant to make *me* look bad. Any assertion from Diogen or Traveller that they were not attacking me and were only focusing on Tyto or the Bronze Elves is a lie. Firstly, I am with the bronze elves, so by extension they are attacking me. Secondly, that selectively edited screenshot includes the words from my character and tries to paint them as predatory.

 

Diogen deliberately went out of his way to slander me. And I had to pay the consequences. I was accused of using code to get Diogen to ERP with me. I was accused of associating with creeps and sexual predators. I had close friends of mine even agree with Diogen because they're "cool" with him and urged me to abandon the Bronze Elves. This entire event has caused me unnecessary stress and anxiety, and almost caused me to quit the server I've loved since I was fourteen. All because Diogen decided to deliberately lie and selectively edit to slander.

 

This is not a "both-sides" issue. Diogen committed a dishonest action because he cannot separate himself from his characters. The only side in the wrong here is his, and the evidence supports that assertion.

 

Re: "There's no lying in those screenshots."

 

As demonstrated above, that claim is untrue. Diogen selectively edited screenshots to make me seem like I was framing the roleplay in an erotic fashion. That is not true and the logs prove it. The claim that there is no lying in those screenshots is itself a lie. I don't understand why you would make a claim like that when the evidence is clear.

 

 

Re: Discord screenshots.

 

Yup. I said those comments. I tried reaching out to Diogen three times (as logs show) right after he left Sulianpoli in game. According to Traveller's own account, he had not logged off. He was in-game still, which means he clearly saw my messages and decided not to respond. Now a day after the incident, when I've already filed the report, Diogen messages me to "clear things up." The damage had already been done. There is no need to discuss a matter in private that had been publicized (in a distorted fashion, mind you) by Diogen throughout LOTC discord community. That is why I am choosing to handle it here.

 

Re: Bathhouse.

 

The temple is not a bathhouse. This continued notion that we were doing bathhouse roleplay is untrue. As explained numerous times, the temple is a religious temple with idols hanging around. Also, no one "forced" you into going into the temple, you came through your own free will.

 

 

Re: "You made us feel uncomfortable."

 

Really? Even after I checked on you the moment you expressed discomfort (the first time you had done so throughout the whole interaction, mind you; the logs don't lie), and I clarified twice ICly that this had nothing to do with sex, bathhouses, bathing, or anything erotic or perverted? How was I to know you are uncomfortable when the only time you communicated with me is when you decided to storm off, and then smear my name throughout Discord? I am not psychic. I never want any player to feel uncomfortable or put off, which is why communication is important. But you didn't take that route. You decided to cause OOC beef which has caused me an undue amount of stress, and you're only backtracking because you understand you did wrong. You cannot blame me for your wrongdoing.

 

 

Re: Diogen says nothing about being forced into ERP.

 

Really? Explain this:

 

The evidence speaks for itself. Diogen claimed we were pressuring him into ERP when that never happened, was never insinuated, and was never apart of the context for the interaction. Diogen came to Sulianpoli willingly; an orc told Agis he's suspicious of them. Agis, being a priest of purity, wanted to test them. Diogen and Traveller went to the temple on their own accord. When they got closer to getting tested, Diogen (for the first time) publicly expressed discomfort to me OOCly, stormed off, and then began to slander me on discord by saying things like this. That is all that happened. The statement above is a lie, plain and simple. Diogen has the right to leave any RP he'd like, but he does not have the right to spread falsehoods about me, my moral character, or my friends.  That is why I filed the report.

 

Re: Rex was sleeping.

 

Correct. But the player who discussed the suspicion with Agis likely had an interaction with the Rex earlier which brought him to this belief. I don't understand this argument.

 

Re: You didn't want to communicate with us privately about this.

 

Exhibit A:

 

[19:23:59] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [LOOC] [VIP] Itz_Diogen: sry im uncomfortable doing bath house RP LOL, i'll catch you later

[19:24:27] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> Itz_Diogen] LOL it's not bath house rp my dude.

[19:24:42] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> Itz_Diogen] agis was going to spook test you, like he does to everyone, by throwing hexed water on you

[19:24:46] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [LOOC] [VIP] boknice275: it's not bath house rp wtf

[19:24:55] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [#Blessed] Anaxagoras The Terrifying: “They are gone, llir perhaps your suspision is warranted.”

[19:25:29] [Render thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [boknice275 -> Itz_Diogen] i obviously wouldn't do anything inappropriate or whatever. that's not what this is lol i don't want you getting the wrong idea.

 

 

The evidence speaks for itself. Diogen was still online and on main when these comments were made; they undoubtedly saw them, and chose to go to Discord to spread falsehoods instead.

 

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We said stop. You did not respect our wishes. We removed ourselves from the situation. I acted rashly, I have confessed to this fact and I have apologized, but your side is certainly not innocent here and to claim that would be plainly false. 

 

Provide evidence of you telling me to stop the RP because you felt uncomfortable, me saying no and disregarding that wish and continuing anyway. I shall wait. You will find yourself disappointed, however, because the evidentiary record demonstrates no such thing occurred. You continue to distort the situation instead of fully embracing that you did something wrong.  You messed up and you are doing your best to paint me as the aggressor. The evidence will not abide that desire.

 

 

Ultimately, I am disappointed in Diogen's response. It amounts to a half-hearted apology whlist still continuing to distort the nature of what happened. I hope that action is taken to ensure this behavior is thoroughly punished. I have said my piece, and I believe the evidence is clear enough.