Should Using the Builds of Another Group Be Allowed?

[wowj 9747]

imagine taking the effort to take over a city and they say 'you cant use my build' so the whole city disappears, i dont think that's a good thing
 

14 hours ago, Wonderland_Boy said:

Following this logic, if I were to roleplay killing a character whose skin was commissioned and paid for, would I then be entitled to take their clothes and thus effectively take their skin

skins r different than builds and people get in trouble if you report them for stealing/using your skins w/o permission coz its like not really a server thing no?

[Kaiser 2347]

16 hours ago, Tav said:

as a biased wood elf/druid player my answer is wholeheartedly yes, it’s very fun to settle onto a build and having that be an abandoned city on the map.

 

i remember there was a huge problem oocly last map when Nevaehlen took over Talar’nor, saying we stole their build n stuff despite leaving it for dead with no second thought. at that point it’s just petty ooc, not something that should dictate the actions done in roleplay.

 

All 2 Talar'nor players were shook by such an event....

[Random 1690]

No ******* way you are trying to snipe worst forum take of the year this close to New Years

Holy shit this is such an atrocious take, this HAS to be bait

[Slorbin 2932]

It's the same build, it's not like the build was stolen and moved somewhere else. If I built a 1:1 model of Rittersburg on a tile I owned and called it my city, that's stealing. If I take over Rittersburg and use its build for new residency that's different - it's a ruin, and it's getting new use.

Sucks for Haelun'or to completely lose their beautiful build, but at least it wasn't pasted over with nothing but grass as has happened in previous maps.

And their region owner sort've allowed this. Like he had full on evil men stealing souls in his own basement, as a vassal, in an exceptionally precarious position already. I say this as one of the evil guys in his basement - He wasn't rrreallly in the position where he could afford that kind of target on himself since he didn't own his own nation.

[Vikenz 1162]

if you take over a build you should be able to use the build

[Xarkly 17299]

You can inherit a build but you cannot copy assets 1:1.

 

E.g. if the head of a noble family commissions a castle, his heir/family are entitled to use it upon inheriting the land irp.

 

A future member of the family cannot copy assets of the build for uses in other builds.

 

[KeiaTypeBeat 3277]

I miss the Johannesburg Ruins... Abandoned builds can be put to the prettiest of use, and have just the most wonderful moments attached to them, too. As someone in the Haelunor discord, many of us agreed we would rather see the build be put to loving use by others, than it just be abandoned outright.

[Hunnic 482]

6 hours ago, Xarkly said:

A future member of the family cannot copy assets of the build for uses in other builds.

I don't plan on doing something like this and I am mostly wondering if this is an actual enforced rule or more of a guideline... but honestly, I wouldn't see it as RP friendly....

 

IRPLY inheritance makes sense: A family continuing to use a commissioned build, as you described. I don't think someone should be able to go back and steal random builds... inspired is different ofc. However, say the House of Oak has a tower in one map, and generations later, the descendants of House of Oak (regardless if the builder is still involved with them) incorporate that original tower into a new build - would that be disallowed?

 

In an IRP perspective, I feel like that old build would just be architectural tradition or smth, not really OOC stealing.

And I won't lie, I'm unsure how far build "ownership" extends in MC or LotC. I don't know about the server's TOS or legal copyright that might apply... but I don't imagine MCRP builds are covered much....
Thoughts friend?

[NotEvilAtAll 10906]

I think tossing out old builds makes less sense than repurposing them.

 

99% of lotc builds were made solely for use on lotc they aren’t like products being sold elsewhere or anything. They don’t have any market value outside of the server so using them isn’t theft.

[Lirinya 4021]

On 12/21/2025 at 7:31 AM, Tav said:

i remember there was a huge problem oocly last map when Nevaehlen took over Talar’nor, saying we stole their build n stuff despite leaving it for dead with no second thought. at that point it’s just petty ooc, not something that should dictate the actions done in roleplay.

There was also some debate after Nevaehlens fall, in the transition period between losing the war and being removed from the region, wherein we were told that there was no major alterations allowed. 

Despite it being that this group had worked hard on the build, spent countless hours on it etc etc. It then becomes an OOC debate. They were then not allowed to do with it as they pleased. Does that mean then, the people who took it over, own it? (Not a direct question to you!)

 

It's certainly a difficult grey area. 

 

On one hand, people work hours on a build, or spend a tonne of money on it. Technically they own it.

On the other, it's RP, and you should be willing to lose it and/or have it damaged in some manner. 

 

I do however believe that, and this is my personal opinion, that if you pay for/build something, you own that build. You can use it in other places and settings.

I do not believe that allows you to block, stop or limit RP changes to it or RP ownerships. 

 

With Nevaehlen, they ended up allowing it to become overgrown, though I can't recall exactly who did it/if it was done by druids or just generally over time. But the initial response had been a want to burn it down.

 

Why couldn't they? If that was the groups illogical reaction to it being taken over? Because OOCly, we had lost the region. ICly we were allowed to remain for.. a month I think? Maybe longer? 

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

I think this is less a rules issue and more like. We could be so fr and be reasonable. 

 

Haelun'or pays for a build to be made. It doesn't matter if theyre a "Vassal" or a "Realm" or a "lair". The common courtsey can be extended that their build should not be used 1 to 1, because they didn't "lose" the vassal through any real war; there was 1 raid, 1 rp event, and a 1 week eviction while a DJinn player tried and failed to do what Werewolf did on Aevos; What werewolf did on Aevos was often followed by a near total ruin rebuild of each place raguel destroyed. What happened this time was a really shitty destruction that borders on landscaring, followed by the subrealm being handed to a different PRO/RO group, who then started to rebuild it within the infrastructure already made by the paid hnor build.

 

No, you cannot just copy delete your entire build because you lost, but by the same token someone can't just take your entire 1 to 1 build, rechange some interior stuff, and call it a new "build". I think the situation is shitty all around and it's not really the fault of the druids who moved in, nor their responsibility to check for these things and rebuild it from the ground up.  

 

Everyone is aware of this, to be fair, but instead a majority of people just take the "losers coping L"! take on this issue and put nothing else forward. LoTC is a cynical place where change only comes when a large human group faces the same issue and demands change. We could just be so fr and extend a little kindness to fellow players about things they paid actual money for and say "hey man ik this all happened in rp but lets work together OOCly in this OOC issue to make a amicable OOC outcome about the nature of your build" instead of going "hahaha lol L loser mystic base!!!" 

[Arianthe22 242]

8 hours ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

I think this is less a rules issue and more like. We could be so fr and be reasonable. 

 

Haelun'or pays for a build to be made. It doesn't matter if theyre a "Vassal" or a "Realm" or a "lair". The common courtsey can be extended that their build should not be used 1 to 1, because they didn't "lose" the vassal through any real war; there was 1 raid, 1 rp event, and a 1 week eviction while a DJinn player tried and failed to do what Werewolf did on Aevos; What werewolf did on Aevos was often followed by a near total ruin rebuild of each place raguel destroyed. What happened this time was a really shitty destruction that borders on landscaring, followed by the subrealm being handed to a different PRO/RO group, who then started to rebuild it within the infrastructure already made by the paid hnor build.

 

No, you cannot just copy delete your entire build because you lost, but by the same token someone can't just take your entire 1 to 1 build, rechange some interior stuff, and call it a new "build". I think the situation is shitty all around and it's not really the fault of the druids who moved in, nor their responsibility to check for these things and rebuild it from the ground up.  

 

Everyone is aware of this, to be fair, but instead a majority of people just take the "losers coping L"! take on this issue and put nothing else forward. LoTC is a cynical place where change only comes when a large human group faces the same issue and demands change. We could just be so fr and extend a little kindness to fellow players about things they paid actual money for and say "hey man ik this all happened in rp but lets work together OOCly in this OOC issue to make a amicable OOC outcome about the nature of your build" instead of going "hahaha lol L loser mystic base!!

 

I agree with all of this and as one of the people who was part of hnor (I owned the everwinter tree and yes anyone can and should take seeds) , the lack of empathy is astonishing. We're not saying other groups shouldn't move in but the whole thing was done with 0 regard to us. 

 

A small correction here, we didn't pay people to make the city it was made by members of the community.