A Grave Insult

[Bircalin 332]

Forgive my foolishness, friend. Forgive my defending my people. I am a Human, for me to aid in the destruction of the Human race is to be traitorous. Enough is enough, this has gone on far too long and side-tracked beyond comparison. I suggest ( " suggest" as I know my place with my people, unlike some. ) that a meeting is held with representatives of Malinor and Krugmar, and that they decide upon a suitable conclusion to this matter. No more insults and mockery are needed, respect your damn leaders.

[Aerinyes 402]

I too thank him for his honest, if yet misguided and uneducated opinions. It allows all to see what and who exactly we are dealing with.

This is in fact the first time the orcs and the elves have been openly honest with each other. For that I commend both sides. Does it hurt feelings? Yes, the truth will do that. The truth may very well break our friendship and pact.

But if that is the case, we should welcome it. We should not enter into a falsely made friendship for the sake of one family, wondering if the other will help in a time of need.

Let us be friends honestly and openly, or not at all. This was the mistake made long ago. When the few made a pact for the many. There was no understanding, no respects made.

If we are to truly be friends and allies, we will need to understand and respect one another. And before that can happen, both sides need to Want it! We should not be forced to enter a pact with Krugmar out of fear of war with them otherwise. It needs to be a true and honest friendship.

If this pact is to end, and they engage in violence, they will have shown their true intent all along. For it will NOT be Malinor that will be the aggressors. We will always seek peace. However we will be prepared to engage in defense and if need be, vengeance on anyone that wishes to take advantage of the Princedom.

[Haelphon 407]

I think our races have grown apart, and a continued alliance is no longer possible as we are too different. We elves try to understand others, and orcs do not. We try to respect others, and orcs do not. We try to keep the peace with others. and orcs do not. We try to train our minds, and you train your bodies. We have developed into almost exact opposites, and I see that now. I do not believe it is the wills of either of our peoples to continue to have a pact of any form, just the will of a few people who think they know what is best. And they might, but we must do what we feel is right, not what others do.

Objection. You have no reason to cancel a treaty for a few actions of a few people. If one elf was to shoot you in the back of the head, we wouldn't remove all bows from Malinor. Pushing for a treaty break is inappropriate, as well as unethical. If you broke the treaty, we don't worry about a few orcs, we worry about all. Perhaps that sheds a new light on your "thought-out" opinion.

[VonEbs 1224]

I am not cancelling the treaty. I am suggesting we discuss the treaty, which I have been pushing for many seeds. I have talked to the High Princess and she said thag we must uphold the treaty, but we will not go to war. I am questioning the sense of this statemet, as is contradicts itself.

[Swgrclan 2682]

Forgive my foolishness, friend. Forgive my defending my people. I am a Human, for me to aid in the destruction of the Human race is to be traitorous. Enough is enough, this has gone on far too long and side-tracked beyond comparison. I suggest ( " suggest" as I know my place with my people, unlike some. ) that a meeting is held with representatives of Malinor and Krugmar, and that they decide upon a suitable conclusion to this matter. No more insults and mockery are needed, respect your damn leaders.

If you want to defend your people, go and defend them. Do not hide behind an Orcish army, and act as an ally in an attempt to lessen our numbers. I will agree to stop talking of this, but do not do it again.

[Aerinyes 402]

Objection. You have no reason to cancel a treaty for a few actions of a few people. If one elf was to shoot you in the back of the head, we wouldn't remove all bows from Malinor. Pushing for a treaty break is inappropriate, as well as unethical. If you broke the treaty, we don't worry about a few orcs, we worry about all. Perhaps that sheds a new light on your "thought-out" opinion.

It has been more then the simple actions of a few, and it has been something that has been going on for some time. Haelphon you are rarely within the streets of Laurelin so you do not see what I see on an everyday basis.

Orcs come in to our city and continuously disregard any respect for our culture and do not conduct themselves as guests. They assault our people and insult them for not being like themselves. Since managing the Vanguard, I see this on a daily basis.

I have visited Krugmar on several occasions and have been chased out each time for merely being an elf. I hadn't even had a chance to speak when one or more orcs come running up demanding myself and anyone with me to leave on the threat of our lives. Not a mere 'klomping' as they call it, but threatening to cut us down where we stand.

Where ironically the Humans of Oren and Dwarves of Kal'Urgan show the most utmost respect to their guests and conduct themselves as guests when they visit. Even during times of conflict they have respected our ways.

[Blawharag 277]

*grunts and grins*

Consider this Albai, the Orc kub you are "rearing" is three years into this world and all he does is whine. Today I chanced upon a Kub of one year who fancied himself tough. I drove him out of Krugmar and when I hand landed him bloody in the snow I made him stand and walk back. The Kub was a year old and never learned to walk. He spent 5 minutes with me and my blade and he was jogging by the time he made it back to Krugmar.

You know nothing of raising orcish kubz. Strength is what is required to rear them right, not the coddling of the Albai. You should have let the Kub die. Think carefully, for all your insults to our intelligence, perhaps you should think yourself.

Already relations are inflamed between us, and I for one care to leave it that way. Even when our "alliance", if you can call the farce that, was at its strongest still some Albai showed horrible racism towards the orcs. Only the most well informed showed any decency towards us. Even the Wardens had some men who were hostile towards orcs long after Quazar had invited me to come and participate in his tournament.

Now you have taken an Orc and started rearing him in this environment. No matter how hard you try, no matter how many friends he makes, there will still be those Albai who see him as nothing more than a brutal monster. Of kin to those that maybe killed the Albai's parents, or raped his wife, or pillaged his village. He will never be fully accepted in your society, despite your best efforts. Only among Orcs would that chance have ever existed, yet by raising him outside our culture, raising him to be an Albai, that is all the Orcs will ever see in him. He will find acceptance no where. You should have let him die, it would have been the most honorable thing you could do for him.

Hows that for an uneducated opinion? Or do you mean to tell me Albai society is free of racism?

[Aerinyes 402]

Why do you continue to bring this back to the discussion of the child? What care do you have if he lives as an elf, or orc, or at all for that matter? He's not the first to live amongst our kind, and will not be the last.

We are different, and we need to accept that. While an orc cub will learn to fight and kill at an early age, an elven youth will spend nearly a century learning the intricacies of our own culture and the world around us.

I don't see the orcish culture as wrong. I have never stated such. What is wrong is when it is imposed upon us, within our borders. I would never think to go to Krugmar and suggest that a school be erected for its youth, or that they should stop their inter clan rivalries. It is not my place to. It is not their place to dictate that which we do.

You have your laws and I encourage any elf to follow such laws when in orcish lands. We have our own, and we only ask that they be followed as well by any that visit Malinor. I don't understand why this is so much to ask.

As for this so called pact. There was never any document written down. And because of this, I have heard many different variations of the conditions of said pact. I don't know who to believe. Not that I am inferring that anyone is lying about the contents of the pact, but the years have been long, and memories do fade in time.

Let the conditions of the pact be reevaluated. If it continues to be, it will be written down and all will know and understand what is expected. Not recording the pact was a mistake our nations made in the past. We can correct that in the present however.

I implore you, orc to speak your opinions to your Warlord as well as the rest of Krugmar so that he knows which terms to bring for his people. We will do the same with the elves.

There's no reason for us to continue to argue when we both agree on the subject.

[Sultan 3953]

"Afar Vadokanuk!" taking out his blade and axe slamming them together. The sound of iron crashing into a another echo's "me 'ear frum da sides ush gis". "Gith Uruk jashat"

clears his throat before addressing the Elfs. "Go do your meeting thing. And Ebs you were never there when we signed the treaty as the treaty was signed between me and Native."

Turns and begins to walk out. His blooded cape flattering in the wind, looking back to see if all the Orcs have left following his orders.

Looking back at the Elfs eyeing one particular figure, grunting. While thinking to him self 'Burz Undur Kurv'

[Ned Lud 1260]

Uzggoth Lud'Gorkil lumbers to his feet after the Warlord, fumbling out a final, awkward quote, vaguely familiar.

"True glory take root, ahg even spread; all false pretence, like flower, fall to da grund, nor can any cunterfit last long."

He snarls, face twisting into an indignant scowl as he parts.

[Blawharag 277]

*Raises Gilgamesh and shoves it towards Aerinyes*

I leave only if that one follows. No matter the context, nobody insults my honor without a duel. I gave a challenge and I meant a challenge. You will duel me for your insult, Albai. Be it in the arena as is sacred tradition, or here in front of all your precious Albai friends to watch you fail. You will duel me, and you will not insult the honor of an Orc again.

[Aerinyes 402]

This is the whole point of everything I have said, elves duel with words and wit, not blades. Your challenge is empty and will remain unfulfilled. As a Princess of Malinor I do not have to answer to such barbarism. Go find one of your fellows to play with.

[Blawharag 277]

You duel with wit, yet you are unarmed? No it would seem you prefer words of cowardice to words of wit. Preach honor, and expect honor, but you preach barbarism and will receive just that. You do not have to accept my challenge, but I do not have to do you the honor of an arena either. Words work well when wielded with skill, but your words have incited my blade, your tongue skill-less in this regard. So I tell you again, I make a challenge. Gilgamesh will have it's dance one way or the other, it's your choice should that be at arena, or at your doorstep. Barbarism has a nasty habit of being persistent, especially when it's told "no" you will find.

[Aerinyes 402]

Choose your actions wisely, orc. A threat against a Princess of Malinor is a threat against the Princedom. An assault is treated the same. But with past events, I wouldn't expect less. The difference now is we know who our real friends are.

[Goldrim 1422]

I say we settle 'dis with a big mug 'o ale, both 'o ye luuk loike sissy's tuu' me.