Whitewash Orcs.

[Austin 697]

Erm.. yes I should have a say, Nation leader is MUCH MORE then the in character aspects, it is a job out of character as well. Ask anyone who has been a nation leader before and most will tell you the same thing I say here. I've seen whitewashs first hand for over a year. I don't see what the big deal is that all I ask for is a few sentences to elaborate why your character became whitewash. If you can't do that then obviously you just made your character a whitewash for the hell of it and to avoid the negative aspects of playing an orc. If you can't muster up a simple few lines, like Jingeh or Ritoru did then you must be hiding something.

To add something, when I started my character Thore he was a whitewash however I made sure I incorporated the bloodlust into his upbringing and his story. When Thore was a cub, he was the odd one out and was picked on by the fellow children of his village. He accidentally killed one of them out of the rage the bloodlust brought forth and that is key- If you play a whitewash you can't say your Bloodlust is "dampened." I'm sure a character could learn to control his bloodlust through years of practice and meditation, like Bruce Banner in the hulk. He only unleash the hulk when he is very angry, etc. Same with an older orc, who has learned to control his bloodlust and to hold it back.

Honestly we shouldn't have everything controlled by GMs, Orcs are a player run race and I don't like how players think we need to get approval of GMs before we do everything. You can't just come on here and say "OH A GM DIDNT SEY DIZ IZ OKEY! UR ARGUEMENT IZ INVALIDS!" No that is bull, Gms don't need to control everything nor should they have too. This thread was made to document the current whitewashs and to see if they have legitimate reasons to be whitewash. If you don't have a legitimate reason then your character should not exist.

And saying that it's human nature to rebel, etc. Remember! orcs are not humans! An orc becoming a whitewash is like a Orthodox Jew converting Jihad. It just doesn't happen Orcs are based on honor, one of there blessings. If they are blessed with Honor, they would honor there elders, Respecting your leaders, etc. If an orc doesn't wouldn't that be powergaming?

If your too stuck up or lazy to post why your character is whitewash, then it will have to be assumed you powergamed to create your character, and when Orc applications come out, you will be asked to write a new Application! And when this application DOES come out, granting Orcs whitewash will be very very strict, perhaps harder then getting a Villain App.

[youlovesocks 652]

Yeah I've recently been seeing a lot of cases where people are accusing other to be 'whitewash' and never really understood it until now.

[Ned Lud 1260]

The Mori would perma-kill their lore-breakers and both them and the Kharajyr required an application. I think it's fair that all we ask is that you show us a couple paragraphs of backstory that show that you've read and understand our lore. If you're truly on top of things, it should be as simple as linking the Whitelist Application to your orc character. I don't know of many good role-players that don't have at least a rough backstory written up before they begin playing a character or an alt. If you can't provide this or at least have a solid answer when asked about your background in-game, you're wrong. We're just trying to help new players that are ignorant of the server lore not look stupid when they create orc characters. We don't care whether you play with us or not, especially those of you that would cock an attitude over such a thing. You probably wouldn't last long bringing your brackets to orc country.

[craotor 617]

Again your ork can leave the nation as long as there at least a half decent explanation.But i repeat you need to be afected by the curse.Its founding lore,canon lore which means its the truth and what we rp folows its guidelines.Also Tired I heard from gms that they would turn invisible and haunt me,I heard from them that they would smite me ( they did) others told me that elfs had eagles eyes that why I could be sniped from a far.See gms can say alot of things they are also people not everything they say is true though sometimes they dont knows what they are talking about.I joined the server on day one and all we had to base our rp off was the curse of Iblees,so your saying thats its not realy real and our guideline of rp was wrong and we could have done what ever we wanted?Geez if I only knew this back then I would have been a Dragon Rider.

Also of course we should force people to folow the lore or else all powergaming bans have no value.Its stupid to think people dont have a basic rule to folow orks need to be bloodthirsty as much as dwarfs need to be short and humans cant live so long.

[George of House Glover 372]

I personally think that being whitewash, should be banned. Not only do the majority of whitewashes powergame and ignore their curse, or their inborn desire to kill everything weak, but it makes no sense for them to exist. None of the whitewash orcs running around Asulon have parents, they just appear out of no where. Their very existence is an insult to Krug, hence why orcs hunt down and kill any and every whitewash they can. There aren't any whitewash familys, no whitewash feorcs, they just appear one day, out of nowhere, with poor rp reasoning for their whitewashness.

Lore is Lore, you would be banned for rping as a Jewish Rabbi, because they don't exist, you would be banned for rping a 7ft dwarf, because they don't exist. you should be banned for playing a whitewash orc, because they don't exist.

N.B. When I say whitewash orcs, I do not mean those in clans like the Bahrs, they are still Uruks, in every way except they are not in the favour of the Rex

[Merkaken 516]

I personally think that being whitewash, should be banned. Not only do the majority of whitewashes powergame and ignore their curse, or their inborn desire to kill everything weak, but it makes no sense for them to exist. None of the whitewash orcs running around Asulon have parents, they just appear out of no where. Their very existence is an insult to Krug, hence why orcs hunt down and kill any and every whitewash they can. There aren't any whitewash familys, no whitewash feorcs, they just appear one day, out of nowhere, with poor rp reasoning for their whitewashness.

Lore is Lore, you would be banned for rping as a Jewish Rabbi, because they don't exist, you would be banned for rping a 7ft dwarf, because they don't exist. you should be banned for playing a whitewash orc, because they don't exist.

N.B. When I say whitewash orcs, I do not mean those in clans like the Bahrs, they are still Uruks, in every way except they are not in the favour of the Rex

Could the same go for Orcs who are not whitewash? For example: My Orc was born from Whitewash parents who don't actually exist (No one plays them), Ghore just sort of popped out of nowhere. He however decided "Skah it, i'm leaving this weaklings" and went back to the Uzg. So essentially, Ghore sort of just popped out of nowhere. should I change his backstory a bit or have someone play his parents? I don't want to seem like i'm powergamming or roleplaying poorly.

[Lago 2572]

I think an idea to solve this would be Orc applications?

That way if players want to play Orcs, they have to understand the lore and not stray far from it. If they break the lore in any way, then their character's app gets revoked and their characters are subject to a permakill.

And further shrink the Orc playerbase? Nice idea in theory, but applications reduce numbers and the orcs can't afford that.

People are constantly complaining of cliques on this server, and by forcing players to play for you or not be allowed to play on of their favorite races is rubbish, and will just keep the complaints coming because basically what you're doing is making another clique.

I don't think Thore's demanding all orcs be part of the War Uzg, simply that orcs do not join the humans, elves and dwarves and break orc lore. I see no reason why orcs can't form new clans or nomadic warbands, or even a new orc faction, provided it keeps to lore.

If its not concrete nothing on the server is.The undead shouldnt exist then,the ascended shouldnt exist dwarfs could be taller,humans could have 1000 year life span.The creation lore needs to be concrete or else nothing on the server has any founding and I could just make up what ever I please

Not exactly. Not concrete does not mean void. There are elements of truth in it, like scripture and folklore, but if you take it literally it can become a little ridiculous. Mass incest, for example.

However, I agree fully with this thread. The orcs start in the War Nation, and large or long running whitewash factions and families are exterminated. It's not unreasonable for the orcs to ask for a brief RP justification for an orc being whitewash.

If an admin wants to come and say orcs can't be peaceful, then I'll accept that, but until then I don't agree with anyone saying people shouldn't be allowed to play a whitewash orc. You're basically trying to force them to be in your clique or they can't be an orc.

Is LM good enough? Orcs suffer from The Curse of Bloodlust. This means that orcs have a naturally tendency to become violently irate very easily. A 'peaceful' orc is going to be constantly battling their inner nature, and they're not going to keep control all the time.

However, large factions of orcs not being in the War Nation does not mean that they're simply trying to be 'special'. Orcs outside the War Nation's timezone are somewhat stuck, and think about how easy it is for orcs to climb the ladder. If the War Nation is to keep its orcs, it needs to be highly accessible to new players and less confined to the American timezones.

[KoTo 610]

I'd like to way in here:

Just as the short age of the humans, the short height of the dwarves, and the infertility of the elves, the orc bloodlust is required.If Orcs can be peaceful, what's stopping me from creating a 7 feet tall dwarf?The lore that Availer posted all those months ago is considered cannon, and it is the general truth.You know this OOCly, but not ICly.People need to realize that this is not "forcing" anything, it is a requirement.You've chosen to roleplay as an Orc, therefore, you must play the way it should be played.

[Tayelikel 193]

I just want to make sure that my orc character Elphaba is ok

Her father was a orc who fell in love with her elf mother, cause her elf mother proved herself to be strong. But when it came time to have the baby her mother left to have Elphaba away from her father. Her father caught wind of this and managed to find her. He took Elphaba and raised her as a orc till the age of 5 at which time her mother killed her father in a sneak attack with a stab to his neck and back. She took Elphaba until Elphaba was 10, at which time Elphaba saw orcs who were kind to her and she wanted to be strong like them. Then she saw things that her mother had said were dishonorable (ex:slaves) and so Elphba is now torn. Wanting to be with the orcs and elfs she now is somewhere in the middle. with a hidden loyalty to the elfs

[George of House Glover 372]

I just want to make sure that my orc character Elphaba is ok

Her father was a orc who fell in love with her elf mother, cause her elf mother proved herself to be strong. But when it came time to have the baby her mother left to have Elphaba away from her father. Her father caught wind of this and managed to find her. He took Elphaba and raised her as a orc till the age of 5 at which time her mother killed her father in a sneak attack with a stab to his neck and back. She took Elphaba until Elphaba was 10, at which time Elphaba saw orcs who were kind to her and she wanted to be strong like them. Then she saw things that her mother had said were dishonorable (ex:slaves) and so Elphba is now torn. Wanting to be with the orcs and elfs she now is somewhere in the middle. with a hidden loyalty to the elfs

Being half orc, you hate your non-orc parent for making you weak, when you reach adult hood, about age 12-15, you will have an ever growing desire to kill your non-orc parent, in this case your mother.

[Merkaken 516]

Being half orc, you hate your non-orc parent for making you weak, when you reach adult hood, about age 12-15, you will have an ever growing desire to kill your non-orc parent, in this case your mother.

Or she could be a BA stealthy assasin like Garona from Warcraft and just kill everything ;D

[Archbower 14]

Not so sure how much this affects the Bahr considering our current standing with the nation but just to clarify why we had a huge period of being more or less against the war nation. It started after my character originally went to help the other Orcs with only their best interests in mind. He was ganged up on, attacked from behind and various other things by Orcs that mocked him without challenging him to fair combat (the ones that did got Drog's respect in that regard) I also remember seeing some other lore breaking derpery IC from the less genuine members of the community which left Drog with a pretty bad impression. Once his relatives come to Asulon they started to suffer discrimination from Orcs despite us never being members of any racial nation at all; we had our own land which we RP'd on for the most part retaining our independence from other races. Back-story wise (I think it was mostly agreed upon?) but Bahr or Drog the First had left after disagreeing with the clan wars and more specifically the Dom side that he fought for originally, once he had been shamed and exiled by the Dom side [hense the red bandana as our symbol] he met up with a group of segregated Orcs that had taken shelter in marsh lands and became their first leader which then became the Bahr as it is now.

Though to be honest; I don't see us as ever being truly 'whitewash', we only fought along side other nations when we felt it was ICly honourable to lack of our own knowledge or otherwise and all of us retained our bloodthirst as we have killed, slaved and been in wars against our enemies on several occasions. I personally see us more like counterculture than 'whitewash' but Heero wanted me to post anywho. Not like it matters much anymore, we've basically integrated into the nation as of now.

[Tayelikel 193]

I also had a question about Acaeles daughter Illera. Acaele raised Illera from day one to be elven like. She knew how to handle orc bloodlust because of her time with Grom ((illeras father)) Everything was going good, Illera had her mothers mentality and her bloodlust showed during times of stress (ex: Her family being insulted, anytime she got upset, or if someone annoyed her) but she was 'well behaved' by elven standers. When illera was 10 the orcs kidnapped her and took her to the ugz to be a true orc. Illera came back after hearing her brother was near death and Acaele convinced her to stay and lived with them after finally telling illera about her dead father (she had never spoke of grom to illera until this point) So my question is

would it be lore ok for illera to stay with Acaele? seeing as shes proved herself to be worthy of her orc blood and acaele knows how to raise her

[Aerinyes 402]

Austin is making a good move here. He probably could have worded it differently, but at the end of the day, he is trying to improve things.

Its very easy to explain why a elf lives in Malinor, a Human lives in Oren, and a Dwarf lives in Karik. Its logical to assume the same thing with Orcs in the War Ugz. Now with that said, things do change. However its very unlikely that a server application would allow a whitewash orc. They do (to my knowledge) filter out orc characters that wish to be different (and if they don't they really should consider it).

Therefore when a player makes a whitewash, its usually after the whitelist. This is what Austin is trying to figure out. Did these orc characters start in his nation and then become whitewashes? If this is so, why? Its his job as a nation leader to figure out why someone would leave his nation, not someone personally persay, but why people in general would want to leave. If many are leaving for the same reasons, it gives him a base to work with to make changes as needed.

What the concern is, people just wishing to play with other races. Perhaps they like the culture better. Maybe they have friends there. My advice is to reroll that particular race.

Alot of the time, people roll a character then end up making a new character that is an orc and just chooses arbitrarily to be a whitewash. That is where many of the concerns are. I'm sure Austin would like to know why people are doing this. Why they would wish to play an orc outside orc culture.

He also wants them to make sure that they understand the consequences of their actions. IC actions have IC consequences after all. Unfortunately he is only giving the consequences that comes from other orcs, and neglected to say what other races might do.

I'll speak for the general leadership of Malinor. Whitewashes are quite simply hated more than regular orcs. They are seen as one of two things. Spies from the War Ugz, or a Psychopath.

To the elves, the war is a political endeavor, they do not hate the orcs on a cultural level (even if they say speeches and such that contradict that). They see the whitewashes as exiles from a culture. Psychopaths who resist their own kind and their beliefs. There is only a few reasons they would do this. 1. they are simply crazy which makes them dangerous, 2. they have done something despicable, so vile that the orcs even hate them, such as undead/Iblees worship, and 3. they are fugitives, criminals and traitors to their own kind, we see them as if they would betray their own kind, they have no problem doing so to anyone else.

I'm sure the dwarves would have similar feelings. Hiebe can probably comment more on that if he wishes. Humans are probably a little more accepting, but who knows? They are a religious people and may consider them vile monsters too, but that is up to their leaderships.

Playing a whitewash means playing a general exile. Going to need to more than likely live in the wilds. That is if the nations are playing the game properly too. Perhaps a movement to get them on the ball too will help the issue.

This isn't to harp on or punish the ones playing whitewashes. The lore is there and the lore should be followed. Lore supports there being whitewashes, but it is a hard life, one that the player should consider carefully before engaging into it.

[Merkaken 516]

Austin is making a good move here. He probably could have worded it differently, but at the end of the day, he is trying to improve things.

Its very easy to explain why a elf lives in Malinor, a Human lives in Oren, and a Dwarf lives in Karik. Its logical to assume the same thing with Orcs in the War Ugz. Now with that said, things do change. However its very unlikely that a server application would allow a whitewash orc. They do (to my knowledge) filter out orc characters that wish to be different (and if they don't they really should consider it).

Therefore when a player makes a whitewash, its usually after the whitelist. This is what Austin is trying to figure out. Did these orc characters start in his nation and then become whitewashes? If this is so, why? Its his job as a nation leader to figure out why someone would leave his nation, not someone personally persay, but why people in general would want to leave. If many are leaving for the same reasons, it gives him a base to work with to make changes as needed.

What the concern is, people just wishing to play with other races. Perhaps they like the culture better. Maybe they have friends there. My advice is to reroll that particular race.

Alot of the time, people roll a character then end up making a new character that is an orc and just chooses arbitrarily to be a whitewash. That is where many of the concerns are. I'm sure Austin would like to know why people are doing this. Why they would wish to play an orc outside orc culture.

He also wants them to make sure that they understand the consequences of their actions. IC actions have IC consequences after all. Unfortunately he is only giving the consequences that comes from other orcs, and neglected to say what other races might do.

I'll speak for the general leadership of Malinor. Whitewashes are quite simply hated more than regular orcs. They are seen as one of two things. Spies from the War Ugz, or a Psychopath.

To the elves, the war is a political endeavor, they do not hate the orcs on a cultural level (even if they say speeches and such that contradict that). They see the whitewashes as exiles from a culture. Psychopaths who resist their own kind and their beliefs. There is only a few reasons they would do this. 1. they are simply crazy which makes them dangerous, 2. they have done something despicable, so vile that the orcs even hate them, such as undead/Iblees worship, and 3. they are fugitives, criminals and traitors to their own kind, we see them as if they would betray their own kind, they have no problem doing so to anyone else.

I'm sure the dwarves would have similar feelings. Hiebe can probably comment more on that if he wishes. Humans are probably a little more accepting, but who knows? They are a religious people and may consider them vile monsters too, but that is up to their leaderships.

Playing a whitewash means playing a general exile. Going to need to more than likely live in the wilds. That is if the nations are playing the game properly too. Perhaps a movement to get them on the ball too will help the issue.

This isn't to harp on or punish the ones playing whitewashes. The lore is there and the lore should be followed. Lore supports there being whitewashes, but it is a hard life, one that the player should consider carefully before engaging into it.

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