[05/18/13] Gm Q&a

[Danny 2232]

Now hold on.

 

What would the problem be with humanity dominating everything, as long as the other races are not experiencing wholesale genocide? People being under the dominion of foreign rule has happened often in real life, and there is no reason it should not be allowed to happen here.

 

Because this isn't real-life. Much of the fun that people have here is based on the fact that races are so diverse, culturally different and run in different ways. By having one race rule over it all, removes much of those factors, and results in a single form of governance over the server. It also entirely excludes much of the playerbase who do not particularly enjoy a certain nation's governance, roleplay or culture by either forcing them to accept it, to become 'rebellious' or to simply go to the Wilds.

 

Whilst yes, we are here to provide a roleplay platform to the community, we're also here - mainly - to provide entertainment, enjoyment and fun to them, which is exactly which we wouldn't be doing if we removed much of the diversity that one can experience by roleplaying as a specific race, which isn't influenced or controlled by another.

[TornadoWatch 364]

So... What you are saying is that RP situations are going to be changed because of OOC desires to satisfy people?

[ĔṀĔŔĨĨČĶ 519]

Q. Are we going to see a rule about roleplaying injuries?

 

A. If you OOCly accept the injury (such as the loss of a limb), you must roleplay the injury that your character has received throughout his lifetime. You cannot retreat to the Cloud Temple to be healed, as it would be considered powergaming.

 

 

 

So if the injury kills you, it won't be permanent?

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

-Snip-

Danny said it better than I could have. Post didn't show up until after I had posted mine.

 

In response to your latest, Tornado, it's for the best that it's this way.

[ARCHITECUS 4788]

Because lines must be drawn. This is a game before anything else, and the community has shown that it does not want domination rp. If one side isn't enjoying it in the long-term, it shouldn't happen.

 

People can't deal with losing and refuse to RP the consequences of something like this.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

People can't deal with losing and refuse to RP the consequences of something like this.

 

If players don't enjoy the rp, and it appears not to be ending soon, why should they stay in it? This is a game, not an obligation.

[Danny 2232]

So... What you are saying is that RP situations are going to be changed because of OOC desires to satisfy people?

That is partly what I'm saying, however it is most definitely contorting the issue in order to make it seem as if we're simply ruining roleplay within the community by using OOC factors, when it is quite the opposite. I think what you are seeming to forget is that almost everyone is on this server to roleplay for the entertainment of it - and the majority have chosen to come onto this server either because we're the biggest roleplay server, or because they appreciate the diversity in our different areas of roleplay.

We are most definitely not going to allow the diversity between racial culture, governance and roleplay be eliminated in order to satisfy the desires of a single nation. If we were to permit one race to completely dominate the entire map, there is no argument that the diversity between races would be majorly affected - negatively. In some cases, such as this, it is appropriate for us to keep OOC factors in mind for the benefit of the server, and in order to ensure that we do what we're here to do - to provide a entertaining roleplay experience, and as I said before, much of that roleplay comes exclusively from the diversity that people get.

The staff is obviously not going to jeopardise the servers stability and founding aspects due to one race wishing to rule everything, as it would be complete idiocy to do so. You appear to be of the belief that OOC aspects should never affect roleplay - which is utterly ridiculous, as as much as we'd all dislike them not to, they always have and they always will. From the beginning of The Lord of the Craft, to now, we have had to enforce regulations on roleplay to satisfy the player base - hell, that's exactly what most of the rules are there to do. They're OOC factors, that change roleplay in order to benefit it - just like an action such as is taken by the staff would be. A fairly wide analogy, but it still is entirely accurate.

I'd consider this a fitting time to repeat my point about the main priority of the staff being to ensure people's enjoyment whilst Roleplaying. That can not be done if we simply don't put our foot in to stop things that would ruin said roleplay from occurring. You can argue that the dominance roleplay would be entertaining - sure, it might for a bit, however it would break us away from the foundations of the server and would totally obliterate our racial diversity, which as I've said prior is essential to the server's survival.

[gabriel101x1 463]

So... What you are saying is that RP situations are going to be changed because of OOC desires to satisfy people?

 

If hypothetically, the kharajyr were to suddenly invade the mainland and take over the entirety of Anthos and enslave everyone then you would probably have a different opinion about these things.

While it might be fun for a while rebellions etc. I can guarantee that after 2+ IRL years of playing slaves to cat people you would get bored and fed up.

[TornadoWatch 364]

If hypothetically, the kharajyr were to suddenly invade the mainland and take over the entirety of Anthos and enslave everyone then you would probably have a different opinion about these things.

While it might be fun for a while rebellions etc. I can guarantee that after 2+ IRL years of playing slaves to cat people you would get bored and fed up.

Nope, I'd deal with it.

 

Make a day of it. Work with the oppressing government only to backstab them, lead a full-fledged rebellion, all of that. Maybe vent a bit to friends, and some to enemies, but I'd just deal with it.

 

That's just me.

[Aelu / Rel (Combustionary) 1540]

 

 

That's just me.

 

Precisely the point; most players don't have the time or will to got through with that.

[Elfen_ 232]

That is partly what I'm saying, however it is most definitely contorting the issue in order to make it seem as if we're simply ruining roleplay within the community by using OOC factors, when it is quite the opposite. I think what you are seeming to forget is that almost everyone is on this server to roleplay for the entertainment of it - and the majority have chosen to come onto this server either because we're the biggest roleplay server, or because they appreciate the diversity in our different areas of roleplay.

We are most definitely not going to allow the diversity between racial culture, governance and roleplay be eliminated in order to satisfy the desires of a single nation. If we were to permit one race to completely dominate the entire map, there is no argument that the diversity between races would be majorly affected - negatively. In some cases, such as this, it is appropriate for us to keep OOC factors in mind for the benefit of the server, and in order to ensure that we do what we're here to do - to provide a entertaining roleplay experience, and as I said before, much of that roleplay comes exclusively from the diversity that people get.

The staff is obviously not going to jeopardise the servers stability and founding aspects due to one race wishing to rule everything, as it would be complete idiocy to do so. You appear to be of the belief that OOC aspects should never affect roleplay - which is utterly ridiculous, as as much as we'd all dislike them not to, they always have and they always will. From the beginning of The Lord of the Craft, to now, we have had to enforce regulations on roleplay to satisfy the player base - hell, that's exactly what most of the rules are there to do. They're OOC factors, that change roleplay in order to benefit it - just like an action such as is taken by the staff would be. A fairly wide analogy, but it still is entirely accurate.

I'd consider this a fitting time to repeat my point about the main priority of the staff being to ensure people's enjoyment whilst Roleplaying. That can not be done if we simply don't put our foot in to stop things that would ruin said roleplay from occurring. You can argue that the dominance roleplay would be entertaining - sure, it might for a bit, however it would break us away from the foundations of the server and would totally obliterate our racial diversity, which as I've said prior is essential to the server's survival.

Now, I wouldn't mind seeing conquest. IT can be bring fun and enjoyable roleplay as long things after some time kinda go back to the way there were. Like say I don't know Dwarves taking land away from Oren in considerable amount and then took land from the elves. Sooner or later because at that point Dwarves would be fighting a two front war, which normally goes bad and would cause them to loose the land they gained and all land controlled of these nations go back to normal. This also could create an area where the land of other nations to have some Dwarven influence despite the fact land controlled had gone back to normal. Even if that doesn't happened...still could be very interesting.

[gabriel101x1 463]

I would like to see there be a small amount of land for each nation which cannot be outright conquered by other nations. But then have all that land in the middle of the map be able to be contested.

 

Nope, I'd deal with it.
 
Make a day of it. Work with the oppressing government only to backstab them, lead a full-fledged rebellion, all of that. Maybe vent a bit to friends, and some to enemies, but I'd just deal with it.
 
That's just me.

 

As I said in my post, you would find it fun at first, but then eventually you would get very bored with it and fed up.

[Polgrath 215]

I am honestly completely okay with being subjegated. But I realize other's might not care for the RP as much. However my biggest problem with this is that it's a cop out releying on dues ex machina. If admin can just decide something that has been properly RP'd but results in less popular roleplay for those who "lose" the event can be prevented through using ooc methods it sort of cheapens the roleplay to me. As long as you go through the accepted channels and follow rules to properly RP something I am of the opinion that it should be allowed. If this type of intervention is going to be a thing we should codify it in server rules and have some sort of sketchy RP reasoning as to why countries cannot be conquered. While I can't think of anything that could explain this well RPly, anything is better then having those in charge say some group cannot do something simply because others would be displeased by it.  As for racial diversity I do find this a bit of a valid point, but the races that are subjugated can always move, fight back, or simply maintain their own culture under rulership. I think instead of forcefully stopping actions like this both parties should discuss together OOCly in a friendly manner and not let IC hates be taken out of character.
 

I think maintaining Lord of The Craft as a living breathing server is the most important part of the experience  If my character rules an imperialistic nation I want to be able to try to take over the world. If I'm an oppressed minority I want to have the ability to found a rebellion and overthrow the government or perhaps leave and form a new settlement of free people. I think there's definitely room for compromise on both sides though. 

[Navin_ 99]

Nope, I'd deal with it.

 

Make a day of it. Work with the oppressing government only to backstab them, lead a full-fledged rebellion, all of that. Maybe vent a bit to friends, and some to enemies, but I'd just deal with it.

 

That's just me.

 

 

The thing is, the server is run by players, not a player. If RP like this were to occur, the majority of the server have the vote, not one person. If an event only benefited one player on the entire server, leaving everyone else to bite the dust, I'm sure the player-base would have a fit and a major chunk of the server population would disappear. However, I'm not saying don't put your opinion out there, but keep in mind that we are a community that needs to work and think together in order to keep the server going in the right direction.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

I don't know who decided getting pooped on all the time should be okay for everyone involved 100% of the time.

I am fully with Danny on this one. Nations must remain independant. Wars are fine but a single nationed empire would drive rpers away. It would make rp less interesting, and it narrows down, ALOT, the diversity of roleplay available in the server. I know 'deal with it in RP' is a very popular term, but honestly, and don't pile on me for saying this: I hope Horen's reign is a short one.