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OOC MC Username: TornadoWatch Discord Username: TornadoWatch#6470 Have you joined the Renatus Discord server?: No; I need the link. How active are you?: Pretty active IC Name: Mattias Surname: Black Title: None. Liege Lord: None Gender: Male Race: Human PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION Height: 6'3 Weight: 200 lbs Eye Color: Green Skin Color: White Hair Color: Black/Brownish Markings: N/A PERSONAL INFORMATION Residence: Varies. Occupation: Member of the Legion CITIZEN’S OATH OF LOYALTY I, Konyves , hereby swear my loyalty to the King of the Crown of Renatus-Marna, and to uphold and obey the laws of the Crown as its loyal citizen. I understand the penalties and punishments that shall be incurred should I violate these laws.

just wanted to say really good post, Mirtok.

The Teutonic Order. What made them so successful? I'd have to say an ability to adapt quickly to changing political conditions as needed, a strong core of members, a focus on resource collection, and a very, very real OOC devotion (Whether or not this is healthy overall is up to debate). What did they do that made them so infamous? A variety of things. In Aegis? Waging war against just about everything. Asulon? Emperor's "elite" and agents, as well as controlling a huge, autonomous realm in Oren--Hanseti. Everything from scientific experimentation to trying to create a world-destroying device. Anthos? Defending itself in the Orenian Civil War against the Roses and Blackmonts. Are they still around, and if not, what made them disappear? Thanks! TO is dead, and has been for a long, long time. Why did this happen? It's controversial. Mirtok will say something different, but I think it was because of a few factors: 1. The antagonist--More or less, the antagonist was going to take over Greywynn, the TO's capital and only major holding in Anthos, no matter what we did. As soon as this became clear, discouragement spread amongst the ranks. I was the most impacted by it and quit. I think Mirtok was angry, too. 2. Inner conflict--A certain leader of the TO was banned and didn't want to give leadership to anyone else, causing a rift in the TO between people loyal to someone trying to take over the TO and this banned person. I'm sure anyone who has any awareness could tell you what I mean; point is, inner conflict was an issue. There's others that I cant think of right now, too.

I know a good deal about it. It's not a no-RP kill if you're walking away in MC. I think this has been over multiple times.

Simply put: Why should I change my roleplay simply because you don't like it? Why can you not just walk away in character, or solve the issue -in character-? Why should I have to consider your entirely subjective OOC feelings which I may or may not know before-hand? Yes. You may be offended. But to me, and many others, that doesn't matter at all. It is the choice of the individual to be offended, and there is no need to censor on the basis that someone may or may not be feeling offended. If you happen to be offended, work it out by walking away IC or solving it IC. Not by trying to make others comply with your demands. If we want to talk 'common courtesy', it's common courtesy to allow others to freely RP their characters as they wish, whether or not you're offended by it.

Firstly: That's a completely passive aggressive and rude final line you wrote that puts you about as low as the person you're referring to, whom called you stupid. Implying that he has some kind of 'baggage' and you want him to live a 'happy, fulfilling life' has got to be passive-aggressiveness at its highest point. Secondly: Simply put, a large portion of the community does not see being offended as justification to stop an action they are doing. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you should have the right to stop them, or others should have the obligation, to accommodate you. This is because we see being offended as a personal problem that has nothing to do with us; we do not expect to be coddled and do not desire to coddle others, either. If you do not like RPing with someone, then you need to resolve the issue in-character or find a way to walk away in-character as soon as possible.

I did. And I disagree.

I don't think the fact that you're offended should matter or even come into account for anything, ever. In fact, no one should have to care that you're offended. That's your problem, not theirs. "Being offended" is entirely subjective and brings literally no harm to you. When I'm offended by something, I just say "Wow. I didn't like that." and proceed to go away and not interact with what it is that offended me again. Solve your problems in RP, and if you're being offended you can say something in OOC. You should NEVER use "I'm offended" as an excuse to just walk away from RP. Grow the skin thickness to at least wrap things up IC. I never, never, never understood why "BEING OFFENDED" is so absolutely horrible. It's almost like it's so bad that we need to avoid it at all costs. It's... Really not that terrible. It's, uh, a few hours of feeling bad at the most, then you move on with your life.

[OOC] MCName: TornadoWatch [RP] Name: Fredrik Vasa Age: 27 Nationality: Hansetian; Orenian, Human, etc. Past Group Affiliations: Not much to speak of; I did some military work in the Fringe.

lol what's even the problem if you're offended if you're offended, this is what happens: "wow I didn't like that" you then proceed to step away from whatever is offending you, feel butthurt for some indeterminate amount of time, and then you're absolutely fine without any longterm damage to your person a few days later.

So, to summarize, we shouldn't even try to correct problems or thinktank better ideas because people are going to be biased no matter what? People can control their temperment. Consider the philosophy of stoicism. This is not an 'uncontrollable' factor; mature people should be able to hold a conversation and be semi-rational, even when emotionally bothered. Staff, in a similar way, should recognize conflicts of interest and not be involved in cases with their friends. This is not an uncontrollable factor.

Being offended is scary. I, for one, have a panic attack whenever someone uses bad words near me, or dares speak the name of a common mental disorder. thusly i fully support these Speechrules to keep us all safe and non-offended. what should happen in regards to bans: Objective rules should be set with penalties for the breaking of these rules. It's really not that hard. I think the staff just enjoy some matter of arbitrage. Why is it so hard to say that "X rule deserves Y punishment for Z amount of time?" A real-life judicial system is much more complex. Just because "Oh, every case is different!" doesn't mean you can't assign objective standards and punishments. If someone breaks a certain rule, they should be banned for a certain amount of time as long as they are found guilty of it. Allowing for bans to be completely up to the discretion of staff is asking for bias.

A letter, composed in a similar style, shortly arrives after the sender has their response. "Your words do make things more clear in some manners, but in others they merely restate what I already know. Is there perhaps a time where I could have a talk with one of the Church in person? Face to face speech often allows more to be said than by mere written talk. - Fredrik"

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