High_On_Math

On Excommunication By Luthriel Note: The following arguments rest on the premise that Godan is just. This belief is taken by faith. To prove that Godan is just would take much time and would prove to be a distracting tangent. Since most Cannonists already believe this fact, I assume it to be true and base my arguments off this. Excommunication: Defined as the process by which the Cannonist Church declares that someone is no longer allowed to visit a church. As only the scrolls are Godan’s word, I only accept the scrolls as textual support for an argument. I concede that at best the Texts are accurate implications of the Scrolls. However, since the Texts are laws created based off of the Scrolls, they are secondary in nature. The Texts are #1 written by fallible humans #2 propositions based off of the Scrolls, not propositions in their own right. Since ideally the Texts are based off of the already written Scrolls, the texts should not be necessary for defense of an argument. The Pontiff does have spiritual authority. This spiritual authority entails a position of teaching and spiritual leadership like that of a father with his children. The pontiff’s responsibilities are to instruct the Church in the truth and to resolve conflict within the Church. The Church’s responsibilities are to listen to and to respect the Pontiff, and to submit to his words like children submit to their parents. Excommunication, a mere declaration of humans, is incapable of severing a repentant and Godan-fearing soul from Godan's unstoppable mercy. 1. Excommunication is a process by which the Cannonist Church declares that someone is no longer allowed to visit a church. 2. The Cannonist Church is not infallible. 3. If the Cannonist Church can make mistakes or lie in declarations, then it is possible for excommunication to be declared on someone who is innocent. 4. Godan would not want someone who is innocent to be cut off from the Church. 5. If it is possible for excommunication to be declared on someone who is innocent, it is possible for the Cannonist Church to excommunicate someone against Godan’s will. 6. If it is possible for excommunication of an individual to be against Godan’s will, then excommunication is not necessarily Godan’s will. 7. If excommunication is not necessarily Godan’s will, then it has no impact on whether an individual is shown mercy by Godan. Note: By the previous definition stated above, excommunication strictly refers to the declaration of the Cannonist Church. It is shown that the statements, “excommunication is Godan’s will” or “excommunication reflects Godan’s will” is not necessarily true or false if the Cannonist Church declares an excommunication. Objection 1: The pontiff is the supreme authority. Therefore if he excommunicates someone, his excommunication has spiritual authority and therefore is valid. Analogy: 1. The Scrolls state that kings have a divine right to rule and are given authority by Godan. 2. Kings can make mistakes. 3. Kings can punish innocent people. 4. If kings have the authority to rule, given by Godan, and kings can punish innocent people, then: 5. King’s punishment of innocent people has authority 6. If the punishment has authority then the punishment is valid. 7. If the punishment is valid, then Godan respects the punishment. 1. The Scrolls state that pontiffs are given authority by Godan. 2. Pontiffs can make mistakes. 3. Pontiffs can declare innocent people excommunicated. 4. If pontiffs have authority, given by Godan, and pontiffs can excommunicate innocent people, then: 5. The pontiff’s excommunication of innocent people has authority. 6. If the excommunication has authority, then the excommunication is valid. 7. If the excommunication is valid, then Godan respects the excommunication, in this case by allowing negative spiritual consequences in the afterlife. Rebuttal: Premise 5 is not correct. The pontiff has authority to teach and to resolve conflict within the Church. The authority of the pontiff does not mean that everything he does, including his mistakes, has authority in Godan’s eyes. By giving the pontiff authority, Godan has given the pontiff the responsibilities to teach and resolve conflict and has given the Church the responsibility to listen to and respect the pontiff. It does not follow from this that Godan shall follow the pontiff’s authority in excommunication and allow innocent people’s afterlife to be harmed from the pontiff’s mistake. Objection 2: Excommunication, whether an innocent or guilty person is excommunicated, has spiritual consequences because it prevents someone from going to church and receiving penance. Grant, for the sake of argument, that a declaration of excommunication itself does not have spiritual consequences: 1. There are two possible scenarios: an innocent person is excommunicated and a guilty person is excommunicated. 2. A guilty person was barred from the skies before the excommunication. 3. The excommunication, a statement that the guilty person will not be going to the skies and that they shall be removed from the church, coincides with the person’s actual afterlife. 4. An innocent person excommunicated is physically barred from going to church 5. Going to church is necessary for going to the seven skies because it is the Church that gives the sacraments. 6. If going to church is necessary for going to the seven skies, then an innocent person who has been declared excommunicated by the pontiff will not go to the seven skies. 7. The excommunication, a statement that the innocent person will not be going to the skies and that they shall be removed from the church, coincides with the person’s actual afterlife. 8. In both possible cases, the excommunication corresponds with the person’s actual afterlife. 9. If all possible excommunications correspond with the excommunicated person’s actual afterlife, then all possible excommunications are true. 10. If all possible excommunications are true, then it is irrelevant that excommunications only reflect or indirectly cause a spiritual outcome in the afterlife. Excommunications may still, for all practical intents and purposes, be seen as having direct spiritual outcomes. Rebuttal: 1. Godan is just. 2. An innocent person excommunicated is physically barred from going to Church. 3. Going to church is necessary for going to a better afterlife because it is the Church that gives the sacraments. 4. If going to church is necessary for going to a better afterlife, then an innocent person who has been declared excommunicated by the pontiff will not go to a better afterlife. 5. If Godan is just, and Godan allows an innocent person who has been declared excommunicated by the pontiff to not go to a better afterlife: 6. Then it is just for Godan to allow an innocent person who has been declared excommunicated by the pontiff for a sin they did not commit to be barred from a better afterlife, which is absurd. By reductio ad absurdum, we see that Godan cannot be both just and the Church being necessary for going to a better afterlife. I choose to believe that Godan is just, and as a result, The Church is not necessary for going to a better afterlife. If the Church is not necessary for going to a better afterlife, then premise five of the original objection is not true. If premise five of the original objection is not true, then the excommunication, a statement that the innocent person will not be going to the seven skies and that they shall be removed from the church, does not correspond to the innocent person’s actual afterlife. If the excommunication does not correspond to the innocent person’s actual afterlife, then excommunications do not have causal power. At best, they only reflect the person’s place in the afterlife, and at worst they do not reflect it at all. If excommunications do not always correspond to the excommunicated person’s place in the afterlife, then they do not have direct spiritual outcomes, but rather reflect a fallible Church’s best interpretation of what has already happened. Counter Rebuttal: 1. Godan created us. 2. If Godan created us, we belong to Him. 3. If we belong to Godan, then He has the right to do whatever he wants with us, and it is still just. 4. It is just for Godan to allow an innocent person who has been declared excommunicated by the pontiff for a sin they did not commit to be barred from a better afterlife. Rebuttal to the counter rebuttal: There are three possible ways for morality to have originated: 1. What is right and what is wrong is defined by what Godan created us for. Godan can decide anything is right and anything is wrong because it is Godan who creates the world as well as morality. 2. What is right and what is wrong exists outside of Godan, and Godan must follow the rules of morality as a perfect being. We too, ought to follow these rules, but as imperfect beings we do not follow them perfectly. 3. What is right and what is wrong stems from Godan’s character. Godan is loving, good, merciful, and just. As creatures made in his image, we originally were made to be good as well. However, we were given free will and the ability to choose if we want to allow our actions to reflect Godan’s image. When we break the laws of morality, we are not just breaking arbitrary rules that Godan imposed on us. We are rejecting that Godan’s loving, just, and merciful character is supreme and rejecting our being made in his image, instead choosing arbitrary rules for ourselves to follow that we create on a whim. The counter rebuttal holds fast if you believe in the first explanation of morality. However, the first definition is incompatible with the statement “Godan is just”. Instead, the first statement implies that “Godan created the concept of justice” and that he could easily have made it a moral imperative for us to be unjust. Because I choose to believe that Godan is just over that Godan created the concept of justice, I reject the first explanation of morality, and therefore I reject the counter rebuttal’s conclusion. In conclusion: If someone is innocent, then no matter what the Pontiff declares, they are not harmed spiritually, as the spiritual power does not come from the Pontiff’s declaration, but from Godan. This is not to say that the Pontiff has no authority, but that his authority does not involve the sentencing of souls in the afterlife. The Pontiff is given authority to instruct and to arbitrate, and this should be respected, but he is not given authority to override justice. Excommunications defined as a document given by the Pontiff carry no spiritual significance. Excommunications as defined as Godan’s barring an individual from the seven skies carry all spiritual significance. On the practical level, a church ought to be a safe community, and it will often be the case that dangerous people need to be kept out of the church. The process by which the Church excommunicates individuals has many safeguards, therefore it is unlikely that an excommunication is incorrectly made, and we should abide by an excommunication by preventing excommunicated individuals from attending church. However, upon evidence demonstrating an individual innocent of their supposed sin, the excommunication ought to be called into question. This is analogous to our abiding by the punishment given to an individual in a court of law. It is possible for a court of law to make mistakes but do to the higher probability of a correct conviction than an incorrect conviction, to get the maximally beneficial results for society we ought to abide by all convictions from a court of law unless those convictions are demonstrated to be incorrect. The world is imperfect and all we can do is strive to produce the maximally beneficial results. Godan allows this imperfection to create trials for us. As we experience trials, we become stronger. And in the skies, there are no longer any trials. So, a moment of unfairness for an innocent individual being blocked from the church is turned by Godan into a trial that brings the innocent person closer to Godan. The blocking of a guilty and unrepentant person from the Church keeps the Church safe and is perfectly just and fair.

Luth wanted to butcher Bub and hang his corpse up somewhere for all to see.

Luthie daydreams about how there's probably an infinite amount of mathematics and science to learn and discover, machines to invent, and art to create, and wishes people blessed with long lives would consider drinking from this infinitely deep well of thrill and joy instead of doing dumb stuff like killin' peeps.

Luthriel started crying when she looked at the image on the missive. Not that she hadn't seen the most horrible atrocities, but that she had seen them and rather than being desensitized to violence, she had become sensitized.

I LOVE FALLING GUY AND HIS SKINS ARE SO BASED AND HES AN AMAZING PERSON GET HIS SKINS

Luthriel just now realized an orc who wears nothing but a loincloth is the mayor. Luthriel questioned whether or not reality was really real, or just somehow a constructed simulation made by people who wanted to turn life into a meme.

Luthriel saves this announcement. "This. This is what we must eradicate if Oren wants to keep the shred of pride she has left."

"Ah YES! Reconquest. That's the word I like to hear! Take back our homes!-" - - Luthriel spat out her alcoholic tea, "CONQUEST OF THE URGUANI FRONTIER!? THEY SURE AS BLOODY HECK BETTER NOT BE PLANNING ON INVADING URGUAN'S ORIGINAL TERRITORY!" The tea got all over the missive. "So help me, if Oren invades Urguan's rightfully owned territory then Oren is in the bloody wrong. All the decent people will have to immediately switch sides from fighting to reclaim Oren's land to fighting to defend Urguan."

OOC: Guys i tried so darned hard to write up to 95 theses but my brain.exe stopped working at 22. I scrapped it and decided to keep it short with my 15 most relevant. I'm sorry bros. [!] the missive was nailed to Karasograd's cathedral's door. Luthriel invites any individual to debate her on the following theses in person or through letter: 1. The first Pontiff, James, was named Pontiff because he was a "builder of bridges" between the quarrelling priests. Anyone sewing division and propagating war amongst Cannonist peoples is cannot be the Pontiff. 2. No one can claim to speak or unspeak the will of Godan. Even Godfrey, a prophet, could not. The Pontiff is not meant to dictate the will of Godan, but to build and maintain peace amongst Cannonism (Gospel 7:13). 3. The idea that Godan only grants mercy to individuals through the Church of the Cannon is patently absurd. (Spirit 1:19): We find salvation in Godan's laws, not the Church. 4. (Spirit 3:17-18) Only Godan judges and punishes. A mere man cannot take away Godan's mercy from anyone. 5. (Spirit 6:14) No one can stop Godan's mercy. 6. (Gospel 1:44-47) The first woman did not need the church to give God's mercy to her. She wept and changed her ways, and ascended to the sixth sky. 7. (Gospel 4:43-53) Owyn, Godan's prophet, enacted judgement on Harren's wickedness. This was wrong. Godan was merciful to Harren and accepted his change of heart, but Owyn did not. It was not through Godan's prophet that Harren got mercy. It was through his personal relationship with Godan that he found mercy, and through Godan's servant Owyn that he found judgement. It thus is not through the Church that we receive Godan's mercy, but through Godan's merciful character. 8. (Gospel 4:54-58) Owyn asked Godan directly for mercy, and Godan showed mercy to him. 9. (Gospel 7:26-30) Godfrey asked Godan directly for mercy, and Godan was merciful to him. 10. Through some mystical process called ordination, it is claimed that an individual can be endowed with the ability to show Godan's mercy, to mark an unwilling infant as Cannonist through baptism, and to otherwise produce spiritual marks through their rituals of sacrament. Only Godan grants individuals prophecy or power. Everything we have comes from Godan. Mere humans cannot grant supernatural power to others. 11. (Spirit 7:8-10) To seek power akin to Godan's is a wretched sin. No human is like Godan. By what hubris does the Cannonist Church claim to be able to transmit Godan's mercy to individuals? To produce a spiritual mark on someone or something is beyond what descendants are meant to do, and is akin to the sin of the magi. 12. Excommunication, a mere declaration of humans, is incapable of severing a repentant and Godan-fearing soul from Godan's unstoppable mercy. 13. (Spirit 7:11) To claim spiritual, supernatural power to withhold sacred spiritual marks and even Godan's mercy from any being is claiming supernatural abilities for one's own power, and not for the benefit of others. This is the second part of the sin of the magi: to seek supernatural abilities not to bless others but to gain power. And we see power being gained by military alliances and political maneuverings using excommunication as a justification. 14. (Virtue 1:7) The virtuous are to receive their guidance from Godan's word alone. 15. (Spirit 3:12) No man is worthy before Godan. As a result, we should not have more respect for "saints" than we respect our neighbors. Before Godan's perfection, all men are equally imperfect. (Spirit 7:7)

Luth doesn't want to die so she will not be attending NYX's wedding.

Luthriel shakes her head nervously, "I propose a fifth term: any ferrymen found guilty of killing an unarmed civilian from either side shall be prosecuted as someone who has committed murder."

Luthriel squeels, "FAKE NEWS! Totally made up facts by sleazebag political operatives, both Democrats and Republicans Dwarves and Humans - FAKE NEWS! DNN is in a total meltdown with their fake news."

Luthriel spat out her coffee, "An ENTIRE TOWN where you're not allowed to debate politics or religion?!?!?! How do they even- what do they do with their lives??? Talk about hell on earth!"

Luthriel scratches her head. "Uh.... yeah. That's called the ferrymen."

Luthriel grits her teeth, "Not that Minuvas would care. He's probably ecstatic. This gives him more of an opportunity to show his devotion to Malin."

"I mean . . . I'm not sure why you had to point out specifically my statement that there is no king but Godan. Minuvas is out here constantly worshiping Malin like teen girls worship pretty much any remotely attractive young and famous bachelor. But . . . err . . . I mean that's - well that's pretty much what happened."

The missive brings a tear to Luthriel's eye. "Our friends died defending southbridge and the innocent people who live there. . . we lost . . . and now we must spit on their memory, welcoming the dwarves and ferrymen in. By ceasing war now . . . it feels like spitting on their memory." She put her head on the table, "Why not just come out and say it? Oren's weak. We have no pride. . . only then can we begin to mourn our dead soldiers and continually acknowledge that we do not consent to the ferrymen and dwarves killing our families. While we maintain this facade of pride and respect . . . while we play the good sportsman and shake the hand of the enemy that defeated us . . . we forget what they did to us. We must never forget . . . we must seethe and we must mourn. Never must a true Orenian shake hands with an Ireheart or Ferryman. If we must submit . . . to keep more of our children, our mothers, our elderly alive . . . then we must submit. But we must never tell ourselves that we willingly partner with the enemy. We must never tell ourselves that we chose to befriend them. We must never share a drink with them. Oren is defeated, but it must never be befriended. Forever we must mourn."

Luthriel tugged on her hair anxiously. She fiddled with her eyepatch as she read the missive . . . then she re-read it. "I am not entirely sure what is going on? This pontiff has allied himself with some foreign power, Leopold, and is attempting to excommunicate the emperor of Oren? That is what I think is happening . . . I really can't-" She sighed, putting her head down on the table "I need to be ever more diligent with my involvement in politics if I am to be a strong representative of Ebonwood."

Luthriel squinted, "I am glad Ebonwood is a vassal, and has independence to do what it wants. I would not want to be stuck in one of these circles and have to deal with Orenian nobility . . . though I would not mind having more human neighbors."

You know that feeling . . . When the bois in green masks kill you as you are pinned helplessly to the ground, a defenseless cripple who cant walk? When your subconscious remembers this and screams? When you hide behind bushes and traverse far away from civilization so the Ferrymen don't get you? When your settlement is raided, again and again, and you watch civilians, young and old, male and female get slaughtered and tortured by the Ferrymen? When the bois in green masks capture your son, and are about to haul him away to be slaughtered, if you couldn't pay them 500 minas? When the bois in green masks take away your land When the bois in green masks break into your capital When the bois in green masks kill your friends as you fight alongside them You know that feeling . . . When the government grovels, and the people grovel too. Smile . . . smiling . . . why's everyone smiling? Welcome, Ferrymen . . . You know that feeling when you're forced to welcome and befriend the very people who slaughtered you? "Hun, right now, we know you saw all the dead bodies, but forget them. They died for nothing. We're friends with the ferrymen now. They won - we realize we were in the wrong for trying to fight them. Don't forget the people who died. Spit on their memory." That's how Luthriel was feeling. Oren is a mother dog. A scared, submissive, pathetic mother dog that grovels in front of the human who abused her. She tucks her tail in, wags it slightly, hangs her head low, and urinates on the floor in front of the human who killed her puppies. Luthriel would rather watch Orenians wail in the streets, fighting to the bitter end, as a foreign nation came to enslave it than watch Orenians forget - nay - spit on the memory of those who died. She had to welcome murderers like they were good men and women. In one sense, welcome them as better men and women then the civilians who died at their hands were. And that was the worst thing she could imagine.

Luthriel, though she was an Orenian, almost screamed when she heard the news. She had lived in Haense for 10 years, fought in the BSK, and remembered Ludovar as a good person. He listened to her side of the story when she was jailed, seeking to give her a second chance. Furthermore, she thought his beard was hot. As she read the announcement, she assumed that the culprit would have been an ice witch. She wondered why the decent people of this world could not come together to prevent wicked deaths like this.

Luthriel's eye scurried around the room. When it finally landed on the missive, it became fixated on the title. "There is no king but Malin" The lids of her eye squinted as she thought to herself, "There is no king but GODAN!" And yet she did not grab the missive and cast it into her firepit. Instead, her interest being piqued, she gently took hold of the missive with her three fingers and began to read it. Immediately, she took issue with Minuvas's words, for she almost always took issue with anyone's words, "To unite the elves is fair and good, but the descendants also must be united. A society must be created where each race lives in unity, though with different roles. Separate, but equal." She read on, coming to the section describing the Sons of Malin, "Sons of Horen . . . Sons of Malin . . . If ever you find a group labeling themselves the sons of some over-esteemed historical figure, run." She made a mental note to give her son a speech about this later. "The way of Malin ought not to be followed, for Malin's character is not the definition of good. I have seen no evidence that a mere flesh and blood created being can be the embodiment of all that is good. Instead, we must look to Godan's character, for Godan's character defines what is good. We must endeavor to follow His rules for us, because His rules are not arbitrary. They are based in his eternal, unchanging, GOOD nature. I am sure that Malin was a very nice man, but he is not worthy of such worship as to become the object of our spiritual pursuit to become. Only Godan can be worthy of that." She smiled widely when she read that the "collective is paramount over the needs of the individual". "Exactly, and furthermore I would define the collective as all who are to exist in addition to all who exist. We must seek to create maximum descendent flourishing, and if that unfortunately requires sacrifices, descendants ought to be willing to sacrifice for that. For descendants, not Godan, are the cause of suffering on this earth, and so descendants, not Godan, must take it upon themselves to do the hard work of fixing this earth." Luthriel muttered, "Yes. Yes. Yes." As she read that there would be no monarchy. Her demeanor suddenly changed when she read the section on Old Eldari, "There comes a point in time when a good elf has more in common with humans who are logical than elves who are illogical. Any society should strive to pursue the greater progress of descendants rather than one race. It would be better for us to only accept beings that display a commitment to the greater good, and then to accept all beings who display such a commitment." She paused for a moment, "Well . . . " "Mali do live for a very long time, longer than any other descendants, leaving them vulnerable to mental illness, depression, and suicidal thoughts from their several lifetimes of suffering. Perhaps it would be only right to create an elven society where all elves can live peacefully pursuing knowledge. Yet still- such a society must incorporate us of the other races. Every race has something to contribute, and a strong society needs beings of every race. It must be racially balanced, for balanced is the way all things should be. We of valah blood, the orcs, and the dwarves must willingly volunteer ourselves to protect our elven brothers and sisters." Luthriel thinks a meritocracy sounds based and red pilled. She nodded, "It is good that the Valah of the empire shall fight to protect the Mali, but that is not going far enough. The Valah must accept that their real purpose for the greater good is to protect and support the Mali. The Valah must do the dangerous work for the Mali, and in return the Mali must provide the Valah with wisdom and beauty. Yet the Valah are simply not humble enough to accept their role." "Of course, the idea of the 'thill is misguided, but we must understand that one's ancestry determines one's physical and mental characteristics. This has been proven through the breeding of various domesticated animals such as dogs, cats, and horses. Thus, society must place careful attention on pedigree. A good ancestry shall be viewed as one in which the majority of ancestors were healthy and intelligent, but not necessarily of one elvish subrace, or of royal blood, or any sort of superstitious thing. And of course, this meritocracy is good. For if you are like myself, born of wretched parents but still endeavoring to do the right thing, then you may be able to help society. And society should not bar individuals from positively contributing to it for any reason." Luthriel thinks that equal opportunity but not equal outcome sounds based and red pilled. "It also means one seeks to pursue the highest form; creating exquisite art, potent magics - to strive ever to be better" She sighed happily, "Ah yes! Maersae Hiluneyha, but without the Larihei worship. Though, Malin worship seems no more logical. Yet perhaps it is a step in the right direction." She anxiously tapped her foot on the floor, "Ne ne ne, we do not need to unify the elves specifically so much as we need to unify all beings. A world where Irehearts and 'Thill are united in friendship. We must strive for perfection, not adequacy!" "The pursuit of knowledge and martial prowess are pursuits each fi’Eldari is encouraged to take. However, each Elf is more importantly encouraged towards their passions in life - contributing to society in a way that contributes best to the collective towards Malinist living. Individuals spend their days pursuing the arts, culture, martial or magical prowess, for the sake of communal progress." Luthriel jumped up, looking at a half pug half jack russell terrier sitting on the bench beside her "I wrote about this, SHNUGGLE PUGLE! I can literally pull out the missive and read it to you, Shnuggle! I can't- This is exactly what I wanted implemented in Haelun'or. We need each able bodied mali to pursue basic medical knowledge, contribute to the military, and to pursue a vocation of their own choosing. I literally-" she squinted, "I bet he read my missive and stole my ideas, because I just am so smart, right Shnuggle!?!?!" She continued to read, then shook her head, "A minor disagreement here, but personally I would rather have my ears cut off than any other part of my body. I have much experience to share on this topic, so others should listen. Ears barely do anything, anyway. As long as you have the insides of your ear intact, you shall be fine." "Individual actions that do not take into the consideration the collective are considered greedy, and not in keeping with the overall goals." Luthriel loves utilitarianism and she hums, "Ye ye ye. This must be emphasized. It ought to be our motto rather than, 'No king but malin.' She reads the words, "Half Elves" and sits down, paying close attention to each word. "Burned at the pyre . . . " "I do not carry half of the 'immortal essence of Malin'. All I carry is the curses of elves and the curses of humans. For that I am disgusted with myself, but that does not mean I should be burned. Plenty of disgusting things must be used if we are to create a utopia. One must get their hands dirty to plant a beautiful garden. Thus I do expect Mali to not murder me, but not because I am beautiful and deserving of rights because if my half elven ancestry, but because 1. I shall prove myself useful to serving full blooded decendents 2. I feel pain, and causing me harm unnecessarily is the opposite of pursuing the maximum flourishing of descendants. I fail to understand how I, a half elf, am less lenient towards interracial relationships than the full elves. Social judgement is not enough for the crime of producing a contaminated wretch. Sterilization or death are the only suitable consequences for such an action. And half elves should not lie to themselves. We are not to live the lives of Mali, but of Valah, for we bear the curse of short life, and thus we ought not to pursue a life of careful knowledge accumulation but one of danger and pain. We ought to bear the pain for those who ought not to be expected to bear it. No half elf should be called a mali. We may act like it, but deep down our purpose in society shall always be fundamentally different." She smiled a bit at the last section discussing the culture's dress, "Good. Sounds as though they do not practice dressing for attention. They dress modestly. I appreciate this." "All in all," she turned to Mr. Shnuggle Puggle, "I believe I reject their theory but support their praxis. And of course, I respect Minuvas as he is much more logical than the vast majority of beings I have come across in my life."

Luthriel stares in disbelief at the missive. "Wicked. Wickedness. This shall ne be tolerated. No one from either side shall be slain or harmed unless on the battlefield. Anything more is repugnant to Godan."

Luthriel blinked. "What the bloody darn-" She looked up at water damaged wood ceiling, stained with the urine of the stray dogs she cared for upstairs. "So did he come back from the dead with necromancy or-" She looked at her metalic arm, fist frozen in an unmoving position of holding the hilt of a sword. Beside it lay her longsword. "All the more reason to serve necromancy." "But, if he ever tells me to bring someone like this to him, I will not. It would be best for the greater good that minds like this stay safe." She took in a deep breath. "I must do what I must do for the greater good."