Administration Changes

[Mankaar 166]

I like when everyone jumps on the hate train because it's popular and continue to **** down Cappys throat without any presented evidence, stuff like this is why I go on hiatuses. Why can't we just get along, report bad behavior to admins, and continue on with our lives? Poor guy is getting ripped to shreds for like no reason.

[Altiak 1648]

In dedication to my fallen friendos.

[hex37 737]

Cappy, do you hereby recant your desire for lewd art that certain individuals have found? That is all I ask, then I shall back you. We've butted heads before, but oddly I've found myself agreeing with you in certain situations.

Gaius, You should know now:

 

[Watyll 1104]

This isn't a democracy, Watyll. 

 

What does this have to do with my comment?

 

Are you forgetting the time he spawned a bunch of minas, sent it to everyone, then lied about it and joked about it in Mogroka's teamspeak? Apparently so.

 

He's lucky he's not banned.

The dead horse beating continues.

 

 

 

I gave Gaius a chance by allowing him to assist with the Undead. Unfortunately for him, he dropped it after just a couple of weeks. Was the hate/workload too much for him or did he lose interest? Either way, I'm glad we didn't promote him to Lead Dev based on the results of my test.

 

​It's pretty hard for even the best leader to turn crap into gold.

[River 555]

I said that if players have problems regarding abuse, that they should bring said concerns to me.

Not really a problem about abuse, by all means Cappy is very logical, very strict and letter by letter of the rule book and zero mercy. Like others have said, that's a good trait, but in another way, bad when it makes them unapproachable by a large playerbase. 

 

He is overly rude to several players, and escalates things quickly, or creates an argument where there is none.

 

And from my personal experience, Cappy has always had an axe to grind with the dwarves, and it's literally, 'Potato' when it comes to anything related to dwarves.

 

Besides the disparity between how he treats Dwarves, or Oren with others, or his rudeness to people there really isn't anything I or other people have to offer, and even presented with that stuff, I doubt anything would change. Why would you care if he is rude, or has a bone to pick with dwarves, I'm sure it's irrelevant to you guys, and isn't exactly a requisite to be an admin since to all of you, he's quite the lad.

 

Edit: P.S. I just hit 300 posts, so I'll stop :)

[Aetosion 2062]

To preface this, I don't know Cappy. I don't recall any memorable modreqs with him, have not interacted with him, etc. My response is thus that of a neutral player whose opinion is formed by influences of his peers and by perception of the server's staff-player relationship. I find this whole thread, while heated in discussion, to be an illustrative portrayal of the contemporary social climate of the server.

 

If someone punished you for that I would punish them just as quick. Most people find that they have to become a GM before they realize that Cappy isn't actually so bad.

That's terrible that Cappy is seen well by only the GM team and a few players who've been on it/know him ooc. Not really a smart choice IMO but I can't argue.

 

 

I, and many other players, take greatest issue with this, "If you're a staff member you'll understand," attitude towards server decisions. We're all members of this server, and almost all the staff were once players of the common order. It's important to be cognizant of the playerbase's attitude and make decisions with this in mind. This server would collapse without effective staff teams, but it would also collapse without active players. Both parties must be taken into account when the decisions heavily effect them both.

 

I don't oppose Cappy's appointment. It would be foolish of me to do so without any substantial first hand knowledge of the situation, but I would urge the administration to take the opinion of the playerbase into account for future major decisions.

 

 

I have no strong feelings against or for Cappy, but when the playerbase (or atleast a big portion of it) reacts this badly then maybe we should have a more democratic approach to finding our new admin/s. 

 

Anyways, congratulations on the promotion Cappy

I found this post to be appropriate, although a democratic approach would be impractical. I would, however, advocate as above that future major decisions / appointments take player opinion into a greater degree of consideration.

 

I'll keep this short and sweet.

 

Cappy is a fantastic GM and a terrible GM at the same time. He follows the rules to the letter, which would be perfect if the rules were perfect, but unfortunately they are not. Thus, players are banned because they break rules that are dumb rules in the first place. Given our method of functioning, his incredible methods of sticking to the rules like, as wardog put it, a robot, is not actually very effective. We're very touch and go, in the moment judgement when it comes to our GMs... which I think is actually bad, leading me to my main point.

 

If as an administrator, Cappy mainly spends time rigorously holding the GMs to the standard he currently holds the players to, I think the server will be greatly /greatly/ improved. Currently, we have an intense amount of GM bias and favoritism, and I hope that Cappy's robotic attitude can help stomp that out. I hate you as a GM Cappy, no offense intended, but I actually am happy that you are being promoted to admin. You're being taken off our back and your sights are being set on the people who need discipline.

This seems to be an appropriately neutral post that I found informative in my perusal of this topic, and thought I'd quote it to bump it to recent pages.


In conclusion: 

 

A. Congratulations Cappy on your promotion

B. It would seem that the playerbase feels underrepresented, and giving their opinion more weight if not any sort of direct representation would seem to be a solid step.
C. I think we need to see some fresh faces from a wider variety of in game affiliations or lack thereof that can bridge the gap between the staff's and the player's view points and passions.

D. Clean things up. Staff-player relations have been incredibly messy as of late, and this is becoming toxic to the server environment. Reassess ineffective methods and individuals and implement new ones.

 

And a shamless plug while I have the floor https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/111609-aetosions-trial-gm-application/

[bungo 3965]

cappy is so powerful ^_^ :3

[zaezae 1098]

What if the staff change doesn't help?

What if we are the problem?

 

Congrats

[Rig 17580]

I don't really have anything to say about Cappy.

 

But why was Gaius not given an Admin position? He clearly deserved it and had pages upon pages of support in his bid for head admin. Did the Administrators just forget about that?

This, Gaius can do lots of good as a staff: He's level headed, and quite an expert at events. Heck, he's an Undead dev.

I personally don't care whether or not Cappy's an admin, tbh admin's not that far a stretch from GM besides a red prefix, some logs, and social power. 

[DrakeHaze. 2524]

This, Gaius can do lots of good as a staff: He's level headed, and quite an expert at events. Heck, he's an Undead dev.

I personally don't care whether or not Cappy's an admin, tbh admin's not that far a stretch from GM besides a red prefix, some logs, and social power. 

Along with the ability to change the server completely.

[Telanir 6975]

so what I got from all this is Tythus is still master overlord—all good moving on

[Peter Chivay 2494]

Although I'm not an active member on the server I've been asked by several people to state my opinion on this administration change, and I figure I might as well post.

 

As someone who has dealt with Cappy quite a lot in the past (my men and Cappy would clash heads CONSTANTLY) I can say that I do not agree with this decision, not because of any inner 'hatred' I have toward Cappy or anything like that. 

 

Cappy, I'm going to state one thing that no one can deny, you're too damn robotic. The whole reason people are moderators and administrators is so they can take a moment to digest situations, cool down, and finally pass a verdict. This is something that I feel you lack greatly. On an old RP server that I played on the coder attempted to develop this 'auto-admining' code that was suppose to take a load off the administration staff, banning people when they would use the words like ni**er and fa**ot, stuff like that. However the minute this code/robot was implemented, it banned anyone who would say anything close to those words. The point I'm trying to make is that we have humans for administrators for a reason.

 

My second reason is the high horse that you sit on. I see it, everyone that is posting against you on this thread most likely sees it, and I'm honestly surprised that Viper doesn't see it. I cannot say that I've had one conversation with you in the past without you having some kind of condescending tone (be it if those conversations were close to a year ago). 

 

Regardless of what the player base says you're staying an administrator, be that as it may, you can either change the person you are- or continue to be the same one that people hate.

 

Your call.

[Wolf Druid Ouity 1461]

This thread is not about Gaius. If you want to talk about Gaius, you can go to one of the many threads for talking about Gaius. I just hid an entire page of content. Try not to derail conversations.

[Ricky 321]

So what I can gather after all this is that about 1/2 the community have a severe distrust and level of decent with the current Admin team.  Even though the decision is theirs the real issue is why?

 

We are not told why.

 

We are not given evidence as to why this is a good move...

 

If sufficient evidence was given saying why above all other candidates we would not feel as betrayed.

 

In relation to this, if we were asked before "Hey guys what do you think of..." instead of "This happened, deal with it! Don't question!"

And then upon your decision we would like and in depth answer to why this happened and how t benefits us instead of the vague "Their key to my(vipers evil) plans and a good member of the community"

 

 

This is not about Cappy! It is just the final straw in a bunch of moves by the admin team where the player base are not consulted, we deserve to be in the know about game changing events (admins are very very important to the way LOTC develops), we deserve to be in the know about things as big as this and when this big. We’re the people who keep the money coming in and the RP flowing, yes it’s your decision but our opinion should count on these matters!

 

PS. It's easy for a staff member to say things like 'there is a lot of contact between players and staff' but is there. Just because the Staff say people are happy does not mean it is, that is the kind of short-sighted attitude I am talking about.

 

It's like the staff have forgotten about the community that +1 their apps and got them to where they are, and helped develop their RP. Get off your god complex and listen to the neglected majority as well as the minorities you choose to think are a majority.

[Telanir 6975]

Then it was so that I decided to read through all the replies on the thread. A bad move!

 

I'm left with a very sour taste after consuming this 'treat' of a thread. Before anything, congratulations to Cappy on a promotion that only could have been seen as inevitable due to a level-headed nature, skilled handling of responsibility, and bountiful work ethic to draw from. And the rest...

 

It's very unpleasant to list through something like 13 pages of heated droning, regurgitating, and asserting prowess in your very own "administrative prowess". Just relax, this panties-in-a-knot attitude is what's keeping our player retention down and killing our joy, we're all so routinely fired up about every perceivable issue that we fail to actually play the game. In essence, no, the admin team should not be licking your boots and scrambling to fulfill your whims and remarks (the communication between staff and community is remarkable on LotC and almost unparalleled across the gaming realm, so stop taking this for granted folks). They have made an educated assessment for their next choice for Administrator based on their best reflections-- that's nice, so this new administrator gets to participate in joint collaborative efforts to improve the server.

 

If you noticed, administrators make decisions collectively and often make the posts on topics they developed, aka you can list your complaints thereafter. If Cappy can't perform well in duty as an Administrator then Viper will assuredly show the way to the door, however I would be very surprised if Cappy suddenly changed course and degenerated. I have the feeling that we'll be seeing more quality work and a few more years as a dedicated staff member. Cappy has been a global moderator for something crazy like two entire years if not more, and knows the job better than most of us-- having excelled as a staff member in sheer workload and time spent.

 

As a little side note: I don't quite ever recall Cappy going on an extended absence of over a month, and any smaller absences were all noted for and explained. I don't mean to offend any other staff members, but on the GM team Cappy has been the most reliable GM for getting a job done and staying active, and (this ones important) not messing it up. As a tech I am biased in favour because I have yet to fix a major server catastrophe caused by Cappy. Though, that's also valid praise. I am assured that if I need something done Cappy is going to have it done ahead of schedule and in good quality.

 

With all this spoken, do I want to see Cappy as an administrator? Personally, I want to wait and see, I believe Cappy has great potential as an Administrator but if community complaints are not unfounded we will see these issues arise very quickly. Way to go Viper for the long awaited administrative team fix up and hopefully we see more of this in the future.