Cyndikate 2303 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Seems more event creature than actual players roleplaying them if they were to be accepted in my opinion. We already have enough as it is, why add more? Necros, Frost Witches, Random bandits/thieves/murderers/etc., Ghouls, Oren, High Elves, and many others that I would say give this server a 'shock' factor. The term seems overused as well, and it annoys me greatly when people just keep describing their 'super cool' and 'dark roleplay' idea just because it's supposed to scare characters. I just feel like at this point, it makes me feel like it's the trigger word to help accept lore that will most likely die out after a week or two when people stop caring and go all gun-ho on you for being this 'super dark' and 'bone chilling' character/race. What I mean by that is. the spook factor just ends there since people can just easily go to 'Big Brother Oren' to help get rid of the problem that will persist until you get bored and tired of being killed all the time. I do not want this creature to be ET exclusive. If Shades, Necromancers and Frost Witches aren't ET exclusive, neither should this one. The magic will be regulated internally and will weed out the players who are not interested in providing interesting roleplay. What are the High Elves doing? Where are the Necros? Frost Witches don't give anyone a reason to be afraid of them, and there's nothing threatening about them. Every group you mentioned with the exception of Frost Witches haven't made a single piece of presence for months. No one is forcing them to come out of the shadows and shank, but someone else will take their 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E__V__O 2000 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I won't comment on the lore though I can see you are suggesting that the "Dark" groups on the server are not active though I can assure you that you shouldn't say a word about them if you are not apart of the group. Necromancers are building up fear factors, soul puppeteers are working with each other and creating new curses, frost witches are developing role play with fear, magic or other means they choose. As you're not actively part of these groups you wouldn't know what any are up to and planning. I would suggest before you blantly say that these groups don't have a fear factor or giving one, having a presence on the server currently. They do so I suggest not saying they don't. Making a character fear is much harder then what you think, it's character progression and that's how it'll work. Slowly but surly it'll happen take on par the "Harbringers" in Anthos, they started off small and hardly known some even thought the team gave up on them. They soon got a delve of the player-base and striked. Don't think groups are not doing anything when they are. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouse 324 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Obviously your opinion has to be the same as the majority's it would seem. This is more of a creature/construct thing than a race, truthfully. Unless you're also stating that all constructs and or magical creatures have to be another entire race entirely. Give constructive feedback like Meguzara rather than sit around **** talking and 'meme-ing.' It'd be more enjoyable to read and make this thread less cluttered. You and several of these people are rudely derailing a thread because of who the author is rather than actually trying to appreciate a well thought out written work above, and even if you do dislike it actually point it out in a constructive way instead of acting like children. I'm not memeing. I'm making a point. Cyndikate stated that frost witches aren't scary, as well as stated that it's up to the roleplayer to create that fear appear in the roleplay. Her statements contradict, I pointed it out. She's not afraid of Witches and therefor implying their irrelevance or uselessness as an antagonist. I'm not afraid of spiders, so wouldn't it be the same? Calm down and read all of the replies. I have no negative opinion on Cyndi. I dont know her. I've never roleplayed with her or engaged in an OOC conversation with her as far as I know. Stop making assumptions and false claims. I already stated that the post was good in some aspects, but I don't understand how and why it's so different as alot of the responses to proper critisism were vague and relied heavily on the roleplayers ability to create a fearful and talented experience which can be done with any character or species and thus not really answering some of the finer points that other people have been asking. As well as my previous inquiries about her claims on other antagonists out there. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner 775 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Please leave it at that, any more escalations will result in a warning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backup Lago 320 Share Posted July 14, 2015 As is oh so common on LotC, a "curse" grants someone special powers. Unfortunately, this looks to be another creature that'll end up walking around insert-elven-capital-here while being completely socially accepted by elven society. That, and players inevitably powergaming their special powers to fight off the hordes of Oreners that come to kill it. I see no change from last time that would warrant the current LT to change the verdict of a year ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndikate 2303 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 As is oh so common on LotC, a "curse" grants someone special powers. Unfortunately, this looks to be another creature that'll end up walking around insert-elven-capital-here while being completely socially accepted by elven society. That, and players inevitably powergaming their special powers to fight off the hordes of Oreners that come to kill it. I see no change from last time that would warrant the current LT to change the verdict of a year ago. I'd like to know what needs to be changed. There is nothing in this lore that would make this "creature" socially acceptable. They will not last long in society without the sudden urge to kill the person next to them. If players are caught having tea and crumpets with elves without RPing the curse out, the curse will be taken away from them. Powergame? Anything and everything can be powergamed. The magic we have can be pg'd. What makes it any different? Usually Oren would just PVP the spook anyway. Besides, the special powers are balanced so both sides of the fight have to be smart to get the upper hand. The Aranha is weak without her spiders, and her spells aren't designed for combat, but for securing prey. At the same time, enemies can't rush in balls deep, and slash mindlessly and expect to win either. They have to be calculated. The curse and special powers can be revoked if players are caught role playing it poorly. I will make sure that doesn't happen. I have attempted to balance out the creature as much as I can. But last year, the LMs denied the lore with no communication made with me on exactly what was wrong with and refused to give me any detail. This lore had tremendous support from the community and it pains me that it was shot down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaezae 1098 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm sorry, but the fact that this basically boils down to a person gets cursed (frostie cursed) by a queen (frost mother) and is driven to use their spider powers (frostie powers)to hunt, kill, and eat victims (hunt, kill, and eat men) just doesn't sit well with me. The curse is almost precisely the same as frostie curse in execution. Is there any other possible way for these creatures to come about? That's the problem I have. I don't mind the creatures themselves at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndikate 2303 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 I'm sorry, but the fact that this basically boils down to a person gets cursed (frostie cursed) by a queen (frost mother) and is driven to use their spider powers (frostie powers)to hunt, kill, and eat victims (hunt, kill, and eat men) just doesn't sit well with me. The curse is almost precisely the same as frostie curse in execution. Is there any other possible way for these creatures to come about? That's the problem I have. I don't mind the creatures themselves at all. Just a tainted spider, but even then that's rare. The Frosties aren't the only ones. The Shades give people their curses, and spells, but at the same time, not necessarily driven to kill someone(that depends on the shade), but Shades generally have to spend their days dealing with constant voices in their heads and keeping in control of their shades before the shades control them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkins 550 Share Posted July 14, 2015 For starters the only spooks around that actually make some presence are the Frost Witches. Come again? I am offended. I believe this lore would be good for event characters, not everyone. Webs and spider people at every turn seems a bit.. too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backup Lago 320 Share Posted July 14, 2015 If players are caught having tea and crumpets with elves without RPing the curse out, the curse will be taken away from them. That easy to cure, huh? Or are we talking PK clauses? Nothing I hate more than an irreversible change being undone by "Mortalisation" by admin. Glaring at you, second wave Harbingers. This lore had tremendous support from the community and it pains me that it was shot down. I don't recall that, and this thread seems to disagree with that assertion. As I recall (I can't access the LM forums to check because I'm not an LM any more) a year or so back when this went through the Lore Team, it had one person backing it for trial implementation, and that was me. I believe my suggestion was to approve it for your use only to see how it went. Nobody else was in favour. Furthermore, if Pandan's post is any indication, the current LT isn't exactly on board either. And knowing the LT, I wouldn't have high hopes short of an overhaul. Cut it down to its fundamental tenets. What is this at its very core? Then you can build it up again without weakness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyuin 65 Share Posted July 14, 2015 More evil to slay. Yesyesyesyesyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndikate 2303 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 I request this thread be moved to roleplay ideas. This is now a WIP and needs to be worked on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandan 1452 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Moved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndikate 2303 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 I also request if anyone has any two cents regarding the lore, and has some ideas on how to improve, feel free to post it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima 774 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Make it iguanas not spiders. Iguanas are pretty cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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