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[Ethan the epic 115]

Lol I don't if you make them only play able by a Et since normal players find a way to screw it up *cough *cough bryophytes so I think this is a good idea.

[HeroOfDuLoc 1935]

I am against the removal of all of those races besides the byrophite. The byrophites are ****, but still. The fact that these are now event creatures makes it very hard to interact with them, considering over my year on the server I have only participated in around four events. One of the four being the transition to Vailor. Remove the ones that people don't actually play, like the fairies, or whatever Zer0's thing was.

[The Fact Core 511]

Slapping unplayed stuff into the hands of the Event Team is like throwing paper into the backyard. They will be forgotten.

 

Also it's weird but LotC starts to feel like a TV series. What comes next? Will there be more removals that barely make sense? Find out in the next episode of Lord of the Forums.

[Elvrohir Aureon 210]

6 hours ago, ¤Arzota¤ said:

Point by point:

-The team as it stands is working its butt off with 5.0 lore and lore for a very interesting event to occur hopefully in febuary to give you all something to do. That is what they are writing, The other Lore you've mentioned may be submitted by players or otherwise, but Connor has deemed map lore to be a priority as it is.

-It's 11 pm, I'm tired and it was written on a phone. The idea was to get the point across, and to imply new lore could come in. I don't write the lore fyi, I just help Connor #GmSlave. My apologies if the post wasn't to your liking 

 

 

 

Dang, he or she just **** on you Chaotikal, all while acting like a gentleman or maybe lady idk.

[Man of Respect 5471]

I like the fact of trolls not being now playable by players because it's easily powergamed. They are smarter than ologs, but tall like them. Their weakness is the sunlight, but people just use a cloack to block sunlight. This is pretty damn weird.

[Teaspoon 13]

3 hours ago, Man of respect said:

I like the fact of trolls not being now playable by players because it's easily powergamed. They are smarter than ologs, but tall like them. Their weakness is the sunlight, but people just use a cloack to block sunlight. This is pretty damn weird.

I agree with this, but concerning the other two... https://www.lordofthecraft.net/forums/topic/137529-creature-pop-limits/#comment-1301877

[chaotikal 2392]

6 hours ago, Elvrohir Aureon said:

 

Dang, he or she just **** on you Chaotikal, all while acting like a gentleman or maybe lady idk.

 

A gentleman who posts important posts which remove player groups on a phone under the whims of a fellow GM. I don't think so. the post itself was badly worded and still stands as a flame war statement. I still stand this whole post should be removed. I'm not saying the player groups shouldn't be moved elsewhere or relegated somewhere, but it can't be done like this. You lore team MUST find a way to remove them smoothly and creatively. NOT like this. It's your job to do that. That's why you're the lore team, not the "player" lore management team. And saying you're working in 5.0 lore is no excuse since if you have time to continue the flames by removing groups, you obviously have time to begin the repairs on other more urgent-needed lore.

[Song Druid 1486]

I know you guys have been going back and forth but I need to think out loud here.  Why on earth do we need to remove anything at all to add something else?  Is there some sort of quota for accepted lore?  What process does the LT go through to deem lore "unnecessary"?  Does x amount of players need to play it?  If that's the case why remove it?  Wouldn't the RP become more rewarding and unique as a result of less players playing it?   Or are too many players playing it?  And if that's the case wouldn't it mean that it's a pretty well-used bit of lore and shouldn't be removed?

 

None of this makes sense.  To me, my impression is the LT waving a hand saying "look, we did something!".  There is no satisfactory explanation to your original statement that removing x allows you to accept y.  In fact, you aren't even removing anything.  The Event team still has access to these characters!  Which means you still think there is use for them!  This is a continuous lapse in logic and common sense.

 

Which brings me to the last possible explanation.  Was there something wrong with the lore, or the players who played it?  Was the lore too strong to hand to regular players thus meriting it being pushed to the ET?  Was it simply bad lore?  If that's the case why move it to the ET and not simply remove it altogether?  If the lore is fine and its the players, why not correct and reprimand the players?  And you expect to entrust new, similar lore to these same players?

 

Finally, I wonder if I can go through the lore proposals and find lore that, if accepted, would contradict this old lore.  Maybe that's why?  Wait, no, that can't be the case because the ET still has access and playability in this lore.

 

See what I'm saying here? Nothing makes sense.

 

Edited January 8, 2016 by Song Druid
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[bungo 3965]

this is complex ;o

[zaezae 1098]

Why is everyone getting their panties in a wad because creatures that /aren't played anyway/ are being set to event creatures? Like, why be so upset that something that wasn't being used can't be used anymore? It frees up a niche if someone wants to create lore that is different but still in the same niche. Yes, this is so people won't have to deal with a kitchen sink of dragon people, imps, fire spirits, and a whole swath of crap flying around. Classic making a big deal out of something no body would have noticed anyway. 

[Gone 869]

11 hours ago, Fizldank said:

I am against the removal of all of those races besides the byrophite. The byrophites are ****, but still. The fact that these are now event creatures makes it very hard to interact with them, considering over my year on the server I have only participated in around four events. One of the four being the transition to Vailor. Remove the ones that people don't actually play, like the fairies, or whatever Zer0's thing was.

 

Pretty sure those fairies were actually removed long ago, hence why people stopped playing them.

 

1 minute ago, zaezae said:

Why is everyone getting their panties in a wad because creatures that /aren't played anyway/ are being set to event creatures? Like, why be so upset that something that wasn't being used can't be used anymore? It frees up a niche if someone wants to create lore that is different but still in the same niche. Yes, this is so people won't have to deal with a kitchen sink of dragon people, imps, fire spirits, and a whole swath of crap flying around. Classic making a big deal out of something no body would have noticed anyway. 

 

For "not being played" I've seen trolls, imp parasites, and bryos around Athera and even Vailor. Odd.

[zaezae 1098]

Never once in the new map have I ever seen any of those besides byros and never have I heard anyone, not even once, mention them IRP. Who exactly plays a good deal of their time on these characters? Or is it a '1-hour a week alt if that' characters? I mean, like what are their names? Where are they? I'm sure we can all 'well this one time I saw...' just about anything.

[Song Druid 1486]

1 minute ago, zaezae said:

Never once in the new map have I ever seen any of those besides byros and never have I heard anyone, not even once, mention them IRP. Who exactly plays a good deal of their time on these characters? Or is it a '1-hour a week alt if that' characters? 

I see.  You haven't seen it so it mustn't be there?

 

Regardless, even if they were hyper active or inactive, I'm afraid you're missing the point entirely.  It's not about something I or you wouldn't notice, it's about making decisions that don't need to be made.  If nobody continued to not play them, ok cool.  We wouldn't notice either way.  Why move them at all?  It's not sensible.

 

And also, if someone plays a one hour a week alt let them.  Whatever someone wants to do to enrich RP for however long it isn't a crime.  Don't be a Debbie Downer.

 

Finally for any of your other concerns refer to my "Thinking out Loud post"

[zaezae 1098]

6 minutes ago, Song Druid said:

I see.  You haven't seen it so it mustn't be there?

 

Regardless, even if they were hyper active or inactive, I'm afraid you're missing the point entirely.  It's not about something I or you wouldn't notice, it's about making decisions that don't need to be made.  If nobody continued to not play them, ok cool.  We wouldn't notice either way.  Why move them at all?  It's not sensible.

 

And also, if someone plays a one hour a week alt let them.  Whatever someone wants to do to enrich RP for however long it isn't a crime.  Don't be a Debbie Downer.

 

Finally for any of your other concerns refer to my "Thinking out Loud post"

Well players that play these creatures must have names. Besides, the players can keep their character just like the OP said in plain text. Besides, 'A decision that didn't have to be made' is silly. All of those races didn't have to be added either, but they were, just like those characters are shelved. You can bring them back I'm sure, just drum up enough support to justify having them playable again. Because let's get real, after a certain number of 'other' races that people can play, people are going to start whining and complaining and it's gonna stop new creature lore. Kind of like how it already has in previous lores. 

 

Or we can just leave everything in place, all the things no body really even plays, and deny new lore for the same tired reason of 'We already have that!' That's really the point that I'm afraid you might be missing. 

 

Besides, who is this effecting or hurting because I still cannot understand the dramatic response every decision has. 

[Song Druid 1486]

Refer to my thinking out loud post.  All your silly points are addressed there.