ISideWith Result Thread

[Monomakhos 1849]

6 hours ago, KarmaDelta said:

 

Just like building a wall is a viable option and ostracizing people.

Can't wait till we expand to Poland.

Yes - ostracizing people. Its almost like jumping the border is an illegal offense :o! Much unlike Hitler, Trump is only targeting those who have illegally entered into our country, instead of the minority as a whole.

[LaCabra (Soda) 1519]

Yo just an honest question because I'm curious, what would deporting thousands/hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants do to our food market? I know many immigrants work for next to nothing, so it's a bit of a steal haha. Should they be deported, would we be more hurt or more helped, at least in terms of fruit/vegetable prices?

 

Though it would definitely open up jobs for unemployed, would it be better/worse for the market since they'd likely have to be paid more than the immigrants that tend to work these kinds of jobs?

[Ser Paul Ryan 1139]

1 hour ago, SuperSodaPops said:

Yo just an honest question because I'm curious, what would deporting thousands/hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants do to our food market? I know many immigrants work for next to nothing, so it's a bit of a steal haha. Should they be deported, would we be more hurt or more helped, at least in terms of fruit/vegetable prices?

 

Though it would definitely open up jobs for unemployed, would it be better/worse for the market since they'd likely have to be paid more than the immigrants that tend to work these kinds of jobs?

Overall it would mostly be poor. Agriculture jobs in particular in the US suffer from a distinct lack of willing workers - the reason it's seen as a stereotypical job to "pick fruit", for instance, is because regardless of how much you pay them, natives are seldom if ever willing to do such labor. Much of the same can be said of other "stereotypical" jobs done by economic illegals. Most likely, prices for everyday objects produced in an economy would rise because production would be significantly lower. Already, there is a distinct lack of workers in many border and agrarian states that grow bulk products, because they simply can't find anyone, illegal or not, to do the work at almost any price. Luckily, it would probably only be temporary; deporting people only leads to them typically coming back as soon as possible - when people have no alternative save drug lords shooting their children or jihadi's beheading them, they're not going to be (and currently are not) deterred by something like a wall, which is extraordinarily easy to get around. As for the actual process of rounding them up and deporting them itself, there is massive doubt as to 1. Whether or not it's legal 2. If it is, whether it would survive a legal challenge and 3. if it's economically viable or even strategically possible. 

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[KarmaDelta 969]

3 hours ago, Bagley said:

Yes - ostracizing people. Its almost like jumping the border is an illegal offense :o! Much unlike Hitler, Trump is only targeting those who have illegally entered into our country, instead of the minority as a whole.

 

There's a difference between illegal and those who are citizens.

Trump has said that he wants to get rid of all Mexicanos and Qualasheen people. He even said that he feels honored that 2 men kicked the **** out of a random latin-esque man. He also said that he blames not only the enchiladas, but the blacks as well for crime in the whole country. I don't know if he went back on that at all, because I certainly don't give a **** about what he tries to take back after he said at one point. 

 

******'s crazy dawg. The only thing I agree with Trump, which is still a stretch, is his way of calling people out. Most of the time he goes far, way beyond than what is needed, but that's the only thing I see going for him. I just hate him mostly because he lacks what I like to call, humanity. I understand becoming President, much less running for it, is a huge donger waving party, but jesus **** on an ice block, the dude just keeps saying **** everyone but Americans, which is even debatable at that point because I am sure with his vast wealth has cheated the American system, which in turn is ******* the American people.

 

I hate politics.

I'll just say I like the way Bernie talks, I hate the way Hilary and Trump talk, I hate the way the so called 'Dr.' talks, other than those few, I don't really know who else I hate or like because I don't even like. Yes Bernie is an idealist, but hey, at least he knows how to talk and not have the power to literally make people go up in a huge racist mess like Trump can.

 

[Monomakhos 1849]

2 minutes ago, KarmaDelta said:

 

There's a difference between illegal and those who are citizens.

Trump has said that he wants to get rid of all Mexicanos and Qualasheen people. He even said that he feels honored that 2 men kicked the **** out of a random latin-esque man. He also said that he blames not only the enchiladas, but the blacks as well for crime in the whole country. I don't know if he went back on that at all, because I certainly don't give a **** about what he tries to take back after he said at one point. 

 

******'s crazy dawg. The only thing I agree with Trump, which is still a stretch, is his way of calling people out. Most of the time he goes far, way beyond than what is needed, but that's the only thing I see going for him. I just hate him mostly because he lacks what I like to call, humanity. I understand becoming President, much less running for it, is a huge donger waving party, but jesus **** on an ice block, the dude just keeps saying **** everyone but Americans, which is even debatable at that point because I am sure with his vast wealth has cheated the American system, which in turn is ******* the American people.

 

I hate politics.

I'll just say I like the way Bernie talks, I hate the way Hilary and Trump talk, I hate the way the so called 'Dr.' talks, other than those few, I don't really know who else I hate or like because I don't even like. Yes Bernie is an idealist, but hey, at least he knows how to talk and not have the power to literally make people go up in a huge racist mess like Trump can.

 

Trump doesn't want to deport Hispanics and has never implied such a thing. He wants to deport illegals - as you said, there is a large difference.

[KarmaDelta 969]

28 minutes ago, Bagley said:

Trump doesn't want to deport Hispanics and has never implied such a thing. He wants to deport illegals - as you said, there is a large difference.

 

This is the reason why I hate politics. I'll just leave it at that.

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Can't stump the Trump.

 

TRUMP 2016!

[Space 2335]

19 hours ago, Bagley said:

Socialism isnt viable and has failed on multiple occassions. Sander's ideas may be appealing, especially so to the American youth, but they are doomed to fail; and on the off-chance they became a reality, the American economy would suffer greatly.

 

Like where? Where has the type of socialism that Bernie Sanders advocates been implemented? The closest is places like Finland and all those Nordic countries. And while they are completely different and the socio-economic situation is so incredibly different, those places are pretty cash at the moment, no? At the very least in the past 10 years they have been pretty good-- Standard of living and all that.

 

And don't say USSR or China or any of those. Those were like, authoritarian socialistic/communistic, not the democratic-socialism my main man Sanders supports.

[Monomakhos 1849]

3 minutes ago, Space said:

 

Like where? Where has the type of socialism that Bernie Sanders advocates been implemented? The closest is places like Finland and all those Nordic countries. And while they are completely different and the socio-economic situation is so incredibly different, those places are pretty cash at the moment, no? At the very least in the past 10 years they have been pretty good-- Standard of living and all that.

 

And don't say USSR or China or any of those. Those were like, authoritarian socialistic/communistic, not the democratic-socialism my main man Sanders supports.

Greece, Britain (briefly), Zimbabwe.

[Space 2335]

2 minutes ago, Bagley said:

Greece.

 

TIL. I'ma do some more reading on that, I thought it was due to the Euro and ****, didn't even know Greece had an ultra-liberal government or whatever.

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[Hiebe 2493]

Socialism can work if people are willing to give up 40-60% of their incomes. Americans would not and would greatly realize their mistake if they did so. The problem with what Sanders proposes will take more then his elections term (maybe long after he is dead) to make it work. Another problem facing america is the fact that there are already have problems with welfare and social security running out of money and they want to take more to fund free college, free this and free that. It gets to the point of where a middle class person will take the blunt of it and the rich people (who they want to make them pay more) will either keep their profits offshore (like apple does already) and not bring it into the county for the economy. 

 

USA already has the highest business tax in the world. Literally making that worse will not help lower income citizens and will cut the middle class as well.

[SebastianA500 17]

I generally stay out of politics, BUT I feel like posting here. To those who feel socialism has not worked nor will work, here is just some information. First off, the U.S. is socialist, but only for the rich. Whether you want to argue that, go ahead, there is enough evidence out there to prove this. When a bank itself becomes bankrupt, but has ties or deep roots with paying the government, our lovely gov will supply them with the money (a huge reason to our debt is because of this.) But a average working citizen, who pays his taxes, but goes bankrupt, and yet wont see a dime. I thought this nation was "For the people, by the people." What the banks and our government has done should be considered illegal, but that will never happen, and that money will never be out of the hands of the one percent. NOW, onto something more interesting. PEOPLE here say, the U.S. would collapse, because socialism would destroy our economy. BUT if you read up on your history, you would see that the 1950's passed many socialist bills. That decade has been considered the happiest time in America, and the economy boosted. Yes, WWII, and as we all no, wars bring money, especially to the U.S. But have you ever heard of the G. I. Bill, the one that let every soldier practically go college, get a house, and etc. That was a massive form of socialism, and by allowing large solider population from WWII to get educated, and have proper STANDARD of living, boosted the economy because it created jobs. The reforms in the sixties and Vietnam war took a lot of this away. But the reason why people didn't call it "socialism" even though it technically was, was because everyone at that time was scared of the big RED commies. (Let me just tell you, all so called communist nations are';t and have never been a communist nation. The first give away is communism doesn't involve a government. I will the rest up to you to read about.) Did you know that our MILITARY is just an example of socialism. WE are the most prepared military in the world, because all our taxes that don't happen to land in lobbyists, or banks, or oil rich nations hands, end up in supplying the military. Now before I get into that, maybe if we hadn't gone crazy with spending our debt money weapons, we would be in a better situation. Have any of you guys thought that the money that we are spending on military, we could just spend in on helping our communities instead of subjugating countries all over the world. To those who think that everything is good cause we don't have socialism, you would be glad to know that you would never have had an education if not for the form of socialism in public education.

 

I could rant on and on, but I have tedonitus in my arms and wrists, so I will go onto a shorter subject.

Out of all candidates of all groups, I have to be honest, this is one of the worst elections ever. I am for the Bern, but his foreign policy is weak. Hillary is devil, and serves the wealth, caused whole lot in Libya, and is in general cray cray. She is the definition of a politician, changing her views all the time. She's liar Just watch a bunch different interviews from her entire career. Ten years ago, she didn't support gays, now she does.

 

To the republicans. They arent even republicans anymore. All these candidates are mutants of the tea party/ FOX has created. Bush Sr. said on the topic of illegal's children's education, that "Its a controversial topic, but shouldn't be a burden for the children on the actions taken by the parents, and that they have the right to an education as all humans do." That not a word for word quote, but it makes G.W. Bush's dad look like a moderate. Than theirs all those religious guys, who want to pretty much destroy women rights, and there is TRUMP. Wow.

 

Trump supporters truly prove the nations average IQ is below 90. I knew a guy, a good friend, who told me Trump is great because he is man who became successful and he can guide us to success. First off, *&!#%$*!&#%$*&#^%!!!!!!! He filed for bankruptcy more than once and basically got his money back from the government (looks like Trumps a supporter of socialism.) He is most definetly a racist, with illegals working in his hotels. He is contradictory. He post pictures of fake statistics on Black Murderers through twitter that he found from White supremacy sites. Also, why would anyone want a politician who wont check the facts first. We have already gone through Iraq once. Than the whole muslim thing. I am international student myself, living in many Muslim countries, and never have I been threatened. I honestly feel more endangered in the U.S. but thats also the US medias fear factor. To think he will help all the welfare based republicans is a sad story. He is tied with the money makers, and sure maybe perhaps the US will make some money, but you will never ever see it.

 

Thats some of my views. I don't get on the forum much, or even the server, so if you want to reply, I am probably not going see it.

 

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