LaCabra (Soda) 1519 Share Posted March 7, 2016 PvP is better for people who aren't close to each other because believe it or not, most folks want to win/don't want their characters to die. Because of this RP combat becomes a PEE PEE measuring contest, don't say it's not. Yeah, combat RP can be fluid and fun when it's with someone who doesn't care whether or not they win or lose (hell, talk to the Braduks... whenever I fight them in RP I get whooped on). PvP makes it more streamlined, gets the dirty stuff done quick rather than dragging it out and making people salty. And don't cry about PvP being about spamclicking, lol. Yeah, it helps, but aim is more important. It does take practice to be good. If you can take the time to RP being a great warrior, put in the time it takes to be one as well. We're still playing Minecraft, it's still got Minecraft mechanics. If you're worried about lag, get Optifine and lower your settings, it helps loads. My computer isn't great and I've got a $10 mouse, I'm nowhere near good but I can hold my own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E__V__O 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Why are people arguing and trying to prove points on PvP? I am surprised on how the community has taken over this as with the memes posted and then the aggravated posts attacking people. Others have feelings more then yourself so take that in mind before you post something targeted to another. As with GOOD PC = GOOD PvP. Incorrect, a good PC can help though a **** PC can also help if you can glitch the server momentarily you can 'teleport' or hit three or four times before one person with a 'good' PC can hit. This happens, this is a thing. A good PC doesn't mean good PvP. With that ended the trial of majority default (essentially) or defender default (What they called it) can be good for the server. How many people do you go "Lets RP fight" as i've spent my time on the server i've only seen this the case with PEOPLE that want to RP fight, whereas the people that PvP still do. It's not like "EVERYONE IS DEFENDER RP'ING NOW" no, only certain people. Don't also say "mages only want to RP fight" incorrect, have you met @Leowarrior? ( :) ). Not everyone does everything you wish to expect so stop saying such things. This just gives an advantage to some people who cannot PvP well or prefer RP fighting. With that ended if they powergame a spiked mace heaved by an orc to a halfling head into a wall and it just seems to 'bruise' the halfling. That is powergaming, speak to them about it and try to work it out if they continue - that's why we have a ban report system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the 1 bow 1112 Share Posted March 7, 2016 14 hours ago, xDK said: You said it yourself.. Bloodlust, strength, pillaging and warrior culture. All very centric and needed in an orcish culture.. However, believing that you would need PvP default in order to do all those things, speaks to your lack of inginuety. Well dont you come across as an elitist ****** 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angmarzku 1251 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Argument out o' control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herculean_wud 3662 Share Posted March 7, 2016 This isnt an argument, this is a debate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDK 1205 Share Posted March 8, 2016 On 7/3/2016 at 2:08 AM, Samoblivion said: Speaks to my lack of ingenuity? Christ, get that stick out of your arse. I'm not saying that PvP is intrinsic to Orcish culture. I'm not saying that those things can't be accomplished in an RP default or defender default environment. There are many examples in orcish rp where we prefer to rp fight, for example character arc relevant bouts between rivals, among others. But overall, PvP is vastly preferrable in many instances. To use the example of raids: they are elongated by defender default if the defender chooses RP fighting. In an engagement that would in real life take around 15 minutes, these confrontations are stretched to half an hour to well over an hour by typing and, very often, power-gaming. By elongating the time of the raid it is highly likely that meta-gaming reinforcements of the defender can arrive. What's more, if you feel your RP time is disturbed by raiding forces, surely wanting to elongate such a raid with contrived emote combat would be counter-intuitive? A PvP raid is generally over in 10 minutes, while an RP only raid can last for over half an hour, or hours at its worst (<--- That happened to me once, in an antagonist raid on Malinor in Anthos when people complained enough to make a 30+ person fight RP only, and all sides hated it). While we're discussing raids I'd like to commend Oren, particularly the Savoyards, for continuing with PvP when they defend in raids. They understand, unlike some, that it makes things far more streamlined and overall reduces tears, rule-breaking and overall saltiness on all sides. Yeah, but you said that it wasen't an option for Orcs. Which I then declared bullshit on. I am not saying I disagree with what you said above, because it is clearly fact that PvP takes less time, however, I wouldn't say that PvP/Raiding is the only option when playing an Orc. Also, I am against PvP, mostly because of the principle of being against PvP. I don't appreciate what the server has turned into, hence me not being that active anymore, however, I still care for the people on the server, who enjoys the Text Roleplaying aspect of the server, that /no/ other server provides to such an extend that LotC does. So saying that "Don't raid. is to say Don't RP your character's culture." Is absolute bullshit and also, nobody said you couldn't raid, that is a conclusion that you have made yourself. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖘𝖍 2451 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Hmmm. What if the defender has better gear, and the attacker would prefer RP, but the defender chooses PVP? I believe PVP Default should remain, as it is a basic minecraft mechanic that is built into the game itself, getting rid of PVP for the most part is basically removing something that the game offered originally. It is also strong in Orcish Culture as Orcs tend to settle their problems or debates through klomping. Now RP klomping is fun, but unless you have a bad frame rate or internet then there shouldn't be anything stopping you from becoming a better PVPer. I feel as if many people also give Orcs a lot of heat when it comes to PVP, I recall being attacked by people in looc because I ran up to my friend and attempted to steal from her at the docks in RP even though I was just joking around and they tend to be PVP alts sometimes. Orcish RP has a lot of value that people don't realize, there is a certain way that Orcs are supposed to live due to Krugs Will. We are just RPing how the Orcish lore made them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDK 1205 Share Posted March 9, 2016 6 hours ago, Humanistic said: Hmmm. What if the defender has better gear, and the attacker would prefer RP, but the defender chooses PVP? I believe PVP Default should remain, as it is a basic minecraft mechanic that is built into the game itself, getting rid of PVP for the most part is basically removing something that the game offered originally. It is also strong in Orcish Culture as Orcs tend to settle their problems or debates through klomping. Now RP klomping is fun, but unless you have a bad frame rate or internet then there shouldn't be anything stopping you from becoming a better PVPer. I feel as if many people also give Orcs a lot of heat when it comes to PVP, I recall being attacked by people in looc because I ran up to my friend and attempted to steal from her at the docks in RP even though I was just joking around and they tend to be PVP alts sometimes. Orcish RP has a lot of value that people don't realize, there is a certain way that Orcs are supposed to live due to Krugs Will. We are just RPing how the Orcish lore made them. "If the defender has better gear, and the attacker would prefer RP, but the defender chooses PvP".. What would be the difference from PvP default compared to Defender default? Also, the server is a Roleplaying server, using Minecraft as a Platform, and not a Minecraft server with Roleplay in it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhindir_ 3691 Share Posted March 9, 2016 If I was to lure someone into my edgy cave and then try to kill them, Who would have the call for pvp/rp? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖘𝖍 2451 Share Posted March 9, 2016 8 hours ago, xDK said: "If the defender has better gear, and the attacker would prefer RP, but the defender chooses PvP".. What would be the difference from PvP default compared to Defender default? Also, the server is a Roleplaying server, using Minecraft as a Platform, and not a Minecraft server with Roleplay in it. Because the Defender would have the choice of either or and have an upper hand against the attacker if he chose PVP default, and it's Minecraft and Lord of the Rings brought together, they are a mixed game between roleplay and minecraft, plus it's not like you don't RP before PVPing anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xDK 1205 Share Posted March 10, 2016 10 hours ago, Humanistic said: Because the Defender would have the choice of either or and have an upper hand against the attacker if he chose PVP default, and it's Minecraft and Lord of the Rings brought together, they are a mixed game between roleplay and minecraft, plus it's not like you don't RP before PVPing anyway. Excactly.. He would have a choice, however that is not what you are advocating for in the previous statement.. You said that you wanted PvP default over Defender default, eventhough you have a choice at Defender default and not in PvP default. Also, if the Defender has better gear than you, and he chooses PvP over RP, then it wouldn't make any difference wether it was PvP default or Defenders default.. Because it is PvP either way. If you think that Lord of the Craft is Minecraft and Lord of the Rings brought together, then that is quite silly.. In the beginning, back in Aegis, the server was more Lord of the Rings than it has ever been, because it was one of the few Filmatised fantasy universes at the time. However, the server has no longer any if at all, references back to the Lord of the Rings universe. We have to admit that Lord of the Craft is its own universe. We also have to see that Lord of the Craft could easily be done on any other platform, which brings the same amount of utility as Minecraft, however since there is no such thing, we use Minecraft. This has been brought up before. To the statement about "It's not like you don't RP before PvPing anyway", I just have to say that what you are saying is absolutely irrelevant to the Topic. We are talking about the way that you choose to handle Combat roleplay, and not what the server is made of. Saying that you roleplay before PvPing is the same as saying, you roleplay before you go to combat. Which is completely neglegting the actual subject. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Mutt 172 Share Posted March 10, 2016 On 3/9/2016 at 2:16 AM, xDK said: "If the defender has better gear, and the attacker would prefer RP, but the defender chooses PvP".. What would be the difference from PvP default compared to Defender default? Also, the server is a Roleplaying server, using Minecraft as a Platform, and not a Minecraft server with Roleplay in it. The difference is that people can't specifically start a fight just to pvp default. No matter what it will either be a pvp in the defenders favor or an rp fight so this halts people from going out just to pick on players less geared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesOfTheEarth 2252 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Honestly, Im just posting on this occasionally or the rep. I agree with Drunken though. The difference is: The defender chooses, not whoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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