Department Initiative & Recent Events Explained

[Danny 2232]

Just a view from the outside. LotC first began losing its way when we got hung up on protocol and trying to treat it like an actual business and we began to turn the tide on that back in 2014 but now things seem to have just spun about again. Cut the crap, focus on the actual job of providing a roleplay platform. At the end of the day, staff are players who run the server, listen to the follow players. And just cut all this protocol crap, chill, that's how you get an interactive and effective staff team that a playerbase will actually like and respect and work with. There's no need for this department initiative or ridiculous over-formality with posts and internal documents, just relax and be human, this isn't Blizzard or ArenaNet, it's LotC...

 

And Jesus Christ, players, stop acting as if you've got a bunch of complete arses hellbent on destroying your fun and the server as a staff team. Until you're in a situation where you're actually in a management position, just stick to the constructive feedback rather than acting like the admin and GM team are a bunch of tyrannical maniacs. Get a grip. They want the server to thrive just as much as you do, and their opinions are equally as valid as yours. Plus, key point, they were players too and still are... 

 

People have different perspectives, the key is balancing them - at the end of the day everyone's purpose is the same: it's Minecraft, it's a roleplay server, stop treating it like something different. Admittedly, during my tenure, I never managed to understand this and regretfully it's only now that it sinks in when you look from the outside.

 

I stick my head in regularly to check out the forums and it's actually embarrassing looking in and seeing some of this crap happening and if it's embarrassing for an ex-player, something makes me think it's gonna be killing that new-player vibe. 

 

tl;dr: staff & players, it's Minecraft, you're here to roleplay whether staff or player, stop overthinking it and just get to the basics of roleplaying and playing Minecraft rather than overthought complete remakings of the game and OTT extensions to vanilla

 

In any case, please yourself, take what I'm saying with a pinch of salt or take some heed of it. I'm an ignorant, ex-player just giving two cents at something that has not changed since I joined in 2011... I'm back off to real life, ciao.

[Lark 2227]

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"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say."

 

something something relevant about mitto

 

This server is a husk of what it once was. Stagnation, ignorance, and dumbassery have led to the creation of something that is a clusterfuck of ideas gone south. Let it rest in peace and do something more meaningful with your lives than overcomplicate a Minecraft Roleplay server. Roleplaying doesn't take much. You need imagination, and a guy to moderate the story and rules sometimes. That's all. You can add dice. You can add some numbers and make some cool mechanics. You can add a medium like a videogame or forum. Make it even cooler.

 

This isn't roleplay anymore. This is a documentary of a ******* junkie.

 

The junkie being the server, the drug dealers being the staff and players force feeding it all these dumb plugins, protocols, and bullshit in attempts to change things.

 

You can't change what's already broken. It's too late to fix it either.

[Danny 2232]

12 minutes ago, Lark said:

 

something something relevant about mitto

 

This server is a husk of what it once was. Stagnation, ignorance, and dumbassery have led to the creation of something that is a clusterfuck of ideas gone south. Let it rest in peace and do something more meaningful with your lives than overcomplicate a Minecraft Roleplay server. Roleplaying doesn't take much. You need imagination, and a guy to moderate the story and rules sometimes. That's all. You can add dice. You can add some numbers and make some cool mechanics. You can add a medium like a videogame or forum. Make it even cooler.

 

This isn't roleplay anymore. This is a documentary of a ******* junkie.

 

The junkie being the server, the drug dealers being the staff and players force feeding it all these dumb plugins, protocols, and bullshit in attempts to change things.

 

You can't change what's already broken. It's too late to fix it either.

 

Analogy doesn't work. Not easy to fix, but perfectly possible. First step is literally chilling and stopping the pretentious bull**** and getting back to basics. Focus on exactly what you started with there, the roleplay. Cut the unnecessary plugins, keep the beneficial ones. Make sure staff engage in roleplay and with players. And key, be a group of players together not a business and customers. Not easy, but a foot in the right direction rather than continuing in the wrong one we've been going down since 2012 or whatever.

 

Edit: And abandoning a pleasure is hardly a solution to the problem. If people find enjoyment in the server, and think they can again, the focus should be on providing said enjoyment rather than screwing the system even more. Just throwing it out there.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Danny said:

 

Analogy doesn't work. Not easy to fix, but perfectly possible. First step is literally chilling and stopping the pretentious bull**** and getting back to basics. Focus on exactly what you started with there, the roleplay. Cut the unnecessary plugins, keep the beneficial ones. Make sure staff engage in roleplay and with players. And key, be a group of players together not a business and customers. Not easy, but a foot in the right direction rather than continuing in the wrong one we've been going down since 2012 or whatever.

 

Edit: And abandoning a pleasure is hardly a solution to the problem. If people find enjoyment in the server, and think they can again, the focus should be on providing said enjoyment rather than screwing the system even more. Just throwing it out there.

Thank you, I fervently agree. 

[LatzMomo 2088]

7 hours ago, Danny said:

Just a view from the outside. LotC first began losing its way when we got hung up on protocol and trying to treat it like an actual business and we began to turn the tide on that back in 2014 but now things seem to have just spun about again. Cut the crap, focus on the actual job of providing a roleplay platform. At the end of the day, staff are players who run the server, listen to the follow players. And just cut all this protocol crap, chill, that's how you get an interactive and effective staff team that a playerbase will actually like and respect and work with. There's no need for this department initiative or ridiculous over-formality with posts and internal documents, just relax and be human, this isn't Blizzard or ArenaNet, it's LotC...

 

And Jesus Christ, players, stop acting as if you've got a bunch of complete arses hellbent on destroying your fun and the server as a staff team. Until you're in a situation where you're actually in a management position, just stick to the constructive feedback rather than acting like the admin and GM team are a bunch of tyrannical maniacs. Get a grip. They want the server to thrive just as much as you do, and their opinions are equally as valid as yours. Plus, key point, they were players too and still are... 

 

People have different perspectives, the key is balancing them - at the end of the day everyone's purpose is the same: it's Minecraft, it's a roleplay server, stop treating it like something different. Admittedly, during my tenure, I never managed to understand this and regretfully it's only now that it sinks in when you look from the outside.

 

I stick my head in regularly to check out the forums and it's actually embarrassing looking in and seeing some of this crap happening and if it's embarrassing for an ex-player, something makes me think it's gonna be killing that new-player vibe. 

 

tl;dr: staff & players, it's Minecraft, you're here to roleplay whether staff or player, stop overthinking it and just get to the basics of roleplaying and playing Minecraft rather than overthought complete remakings of the game and OTT extensions to vanilla

 

In any case, please yourself, take what I'm saying with a pinch of salt or take some heed of it. I'm an ignorant, ex-player just giving two cents at something that has not changed since I joined in 2011... I'm back off to real life, ciao.

 

These words have struck some odd feelings of nostalgia with me, thank you.

 

After reading this, I just thought back to before I had even heard of LoTC I was a moderator on a GMod Dark RP server, the server had run out of donations after a competitor had strangled it out, furthermore I wasn't satisfied with the quality of RP, I did a simple google search "Minecraft RP server" BAM! Lord of the Craft came up, I sent in my first application, Guz a serial killer Wood Elf, I had to go on a vacation the next day without WiFi for a WEEK! I didn't know if my application was accepted or not! When I finally returned? DENIED! Treshure denied my app for forgetting my physical description! I applied again, and was accepted the next day, but I hadn't been implemented for hours!

 

When I logged on for the first time in my steampunk Elf skin, I had no ******* clue where to go lol, I pleaded for help in OOC I think some guy named Overland replied, and he said that he couldn't tell me because it would be metagaming! (**** you, I wandered around for about 2 hours looking for it.) but eventually I made it to the city, it was called Lin'Ame and it was underneath the High Elf city, I was just a poor noob, I didn't know what to do, and so some guy named Phaedrus let me into the city, and he explained that only Wood Elves could live in the city and so we talked for a bit, then suddenly! BAM! some Raevir gliders or aircraft guys, don't realllyyyy remember, but they crashed inside the city, and they were quickly dispatched by the Elven guard, I think they were called the Elberu'Cinhir or something but I had to go.

 

It's a fond memory of mine, and I wish I could make more like that, but sadly I haven't really been able to since Thales. . . my experience has been rapidly degrading since then, and I blame it on Nexus professions, I had so much more fun when it didn't exist, everything was just vanilla besides the persona and chat plugins, and it was fine, annnyyyywaaayys, just nostalgia, Thank you.

[Birdnerdy 1539]

Remove nexus

[Danny 2232]

On 6/18/2016 at 6:04 AM, Bunny :) said:

 

These words have struck some odd feelings of nostalgia with me, thank you.

 

After reading this, I just thought back to before I had even heard of LoTC I was a moderator on a GMod Dark RP server, the server had run out of donations after a competitor had strangled it out, furthermore I wasn't satisfied with the quality of RP, I did a simple google search "Minecraft RP server" BAM! Lord of the Craft came up, I sent in my first application, Guz a serial killer Wood Elf, I had to go on a vacation the next day without WiFi for a WEEK! I didn't know if my application was accepted or not! When I finally returned? DENIED! Treshure denied my app for forgetting my physical description! I applied again, and was accepted the next day, but I hadn't been implemented for hours!

 

When I logged on for the first time in my steampunk Elf skin, I had no ******* clue where to go lol, I pleaded for help in OOC I think some guy named Overland replied, and he said that he couldn't tell me because it would be metagaming! (**** you, I wandered around for about 2 hours looking for it.) but eventually I made it to the city, it was called Lin'Ame and it was underneath the High Elf city, I was just a poor noob, I didn't know what to do, and so some guy named Phaedrus let me into the city, and he explained that only Wood Elves could live in the city and so we talked for a bit, then suddenly! BAM! some Raevir gliders or aircraft guys, don't realllyyyy remember, but they crashed inside the city, and they were quickly dispatched by the Elven guard, I think they were called the Elberu'Cinhir or something but I had to go.

 

It's a fond memory of mine, and I wish I could make more like that, but sadly I haven't really been able to since Thales. . . my experience has been rapidly degrading since then, and I blame it on Nexus professions, I had so much more fun when it didn't exist, everything was just vanilla besides the persona and chat plugins, and it was fine, annnyyyywaaayys, just nostalgia, Thank you.

 

At the end of the day, that's exactly it, and that's what it's always been. It's a Minecraft server you roleplay on; not another game. Vanilla, with chat, regions, persona and LWC did it fine without extending things to become something entirely different with interfaces and plugins. No disrespect to the coding team, they're brilliant, but well-made plugins don't equate to what's best for the server, and just because something's had a lot of work put into it doesn't make it best for the server. Learn from the mistakes. Stop treating it like a new game: it is Minecraft.

 

But again it spins around to the players too. Staff ain't gonna manage to learn from their mistakes when player feedback is constantly just berating, insults and complaints with little constructive responses. Remember the staff are players too, and remember your opinion is not fact.

 

The only fact involved is the mission of the server, which beyond the ridiculous mission statement (another prime example of this OTT attitude instead of just being a normal server) is to provide the playerbase with a Minecraft server (not a brand new game) which they can roleplay on. LotC is past its heyday, but that's far from an excuse to abandon its real mission in favour of trying to create a new game experience: if you want to do that, LotC is not the place for it. That's exactly where LotC has collapsed before, and where it's still collapsing now.

[Lark 2227]

On 6/17/2016 at 5:11 PM, Danny said:

 

Analogy doesn't work. Not easy to fix, but perfectly possible. First step is literally chilling and stopping the pretentious bull**** and getting back to basics. Focus on exactly what you started with there, the roleplay. Cut the unnecessary plugins, keep the beneficial ones. Make sure staff engage in roleplay and with players. And key, be a group of players together not a business and customers. Not easy, but a foot in the right direction rather than continuing in the wrong one we've been going down since 2012 or whatever.

 

Edit: And abandoning a pleasure is hardly a solution to the problem. If people find enjoyment in the server, and think they can again, the focus should be on providing said enjoyment rather than screwing the system even more. Just throwing it out there.

 

I'll admit I've grown a bit pessimistic when it comes to LotC's future. I agree with you on all points though and its something I'd love to see. I just don't see it happening anytime soon with the current staff. Everyone's too absorbed in their own goals. Everyone wants to win, no one wants to have fun. At least that's how I see it these days. Believe me, I'd love to see LotC return to its glory days, or even better, surpass them, as much as the next guy. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Hence why I believe its best to let it burn. Then maybe something new could come about. Or not. Depends on the dedication and drive of those behind such a project. 

[Ever 2648]

3 hours ago, Lark said:

 

I'll admit I've grown a bit pessimistic when it comes to LotC's future. I agree with you on all points though and its something I'd love to see. I just don't see it happening anytime soon with the current staff. Everyone's too absorbed in their own goals. Everyone wants to win, no one wants to have fun. At least that's how I see it these days. Believe me, I'd love to see LotC return to its glory days, or even better, surpass them, as much as the next guy. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Hence why I believe its best to let it burn. Then maybe something new could come about. Or not. Depends on the dedication and drive of those behind such a project. 

 

To be fair, people have been doomsaying since all the way back in 2012. As long as there are some people that want to extend the effort, energy, care, and love, (*waves*) the server will keep on chugging.

[Elindor 666]

I am late to the party but glad to see that a look at managerial structure has come to changes. I would still suggest that the broader community needs to be told what LOTC is in terms of a mission statement, but I know how quickly this place fractures at the hint of a definition.

 

Please do remember though, that no matter how well you structure things and regardless of how hole proof you design policies (in an example where abundance of bureaucracy leads towards administrative efficiency) you are still dealing with volunteers and children. There has to be a large margin for error and a sensitivity to provide grace. Jobs need to be done and hard lines do come down, but these are just kids on a game. It is never going to function like a real business.