Are Goblins or Humans smarter?

[MangoArt 399]

Just now, Medvekoma said:

 

"My uneducated ork is actually as smart as a human, it just doesn't show" sounds like cherry picking race advantages and disadvantages.

Hey its just what I've been told and what the lore says. Also your size isn't a good judge of intelligence. I'm sure the tallest man in the world is plenty smart, I'm sure his height doesn't matter. My 6'3 granddad went to Yale. Does size really matter?

[Medvekoma 2073]

Just now, MangoArt said:

Hey its just what I've been told and what the lore says. Also your size isn't a good judge of intelligence. I'm sure the tallest man in the world is plenty smart, I'm sure his height doesn't matter. My 6'3 granddad went to Yale. Does size really matter?

 

Are you an ork RL?

[MangoArt 399]

Just now, Medvekoma said:

 

Are you an ork RL?

Why does this matter? It just doesn't make sense for size to indicate IQ

[Medvekoma 2073]

Just now, MangoArt said:

Why does this matter? It just doesn't make sense for size to indicate IQ

 

I mean, ologs are taller than uruks and are described to have a far lower IQ.

 

Goblins are shorter than uruks and are described to have a far higher IQ.

 

Goblin IQ is compared to human IQ most of the time, except for the select few like myself who claim goblins are at least a fair bit smarter.

 

O << U << G

 

H =< G

 

U << H

 

In total

 

O << U << H =< G

 

It's mathematics.

[MangoArt 399]

Just now, Medvekoma said:

 

I mean, ologs are taller than uruks and are described to have a far lower IQ.

 

Goblins are shorter than uruks and are described to have a far higher IQ.

 

Goblin IQ is compared to human IQ most of the time, except for the select few like myself who claim goblins are at least a fair bit smarter.

 

O << U << G

 

H =< G

 

U << H

 

In total

 

O << U << H =< G

 

It's mathematics.

Actually its poor inductive reasoning. Also they never say goblins have a high IQ, they just say goblins are booksmart

[Medvekoma 2073]

Just now, MangoArt said:

Actually its poor inductive reasoning. Also they never say goblins have a high IQ, they just say goblins are booksmart

 

"Poor inductive reasoning."

 

"Huge, going from 8 feet to 10 feet, dull-witted towers of flesh, fat, and muscle, ologs are slow-witted and primitive. Ologs are incapable of thinking without speaking their thoughts, possess very limited vocabularies, and are said to have only three emotions, hunger, happiness and rage."

 

Therefore O < U, G, H

 

"Goblins generally exhibit heightened intelligence and advanced technological abilities when compared to their larger brethren."

 

Taken that larger brethren is defined as E(O, U),

 

O, U < G

 

Because of these two:

 

O < U < G

 

Only question left is (H ? G), AKA relation between humans and goblins in terms of intelligence.

 

If humans are smarter than goblins, then: O < U < G < H, therefore U < H must be true.

 

If humans are as smart as goblin, then: O < U < G = H, therefore U < H must be true.

 

If humans are less intelligent than goblins, then: O < U ~ H < G, therefore U's relation to H is uncertain. However, ask any who place Goblins above humans in intelligence and they'll establish the O < U < H < G order.

PS: I derive lore to generalise, so it's deductive reasoning.

[MangoArt 399]

Just now, Medvekoma said:

 

"Poor inductive reasoning."

 

"Huge, going from 8 feet to 10 feet, dull-witted towers of flesh, fat, and muscle, ologs are slow-witted and primitive. Ologs are incapable of thinking without speaking their thoughts, possess very limited vocabularies, and are said to have only three emotions, hunger, happiness and rage."

 

Therefore O < U, G, H

 

"Goblins generally exhibit heightened intelligence and advanced technological abilities when compared to their larger brethren."

 

Taken that larger brethren is defined as E(O, U),

 

O, U < G

 

Because of these two:

 

O < U < G

 

Only question left is (H ? G), AKA relation between humans and goblins in terms of intelligence.

 

If humans are smarter than goblins, then: O < U < G < H, therefore U < H must be true.

 

If humans are as smart as goblin, then: O < U < G = H, therefore U < H must be true.

 

If humans are less intelligent than goblins, then: O < U ~ H < G, therefore U's relation to H is uncertain. However, ask any who place Goblins above humans in intelligence and they'll establish the O < U < H < G order.

PS: I derive lore to generalise, so it's deductive reasoning.

I see it more as: O<U=<G>H therefore U=<H

[Medvekoma 2073]

Just now, MangoArt said:

I see it more as: O<U=<G>H therefore U=<H

 

"Goblins generally exhibit heightened intelligence and advanced technological abilities when compared to their larger brethren."

From lore page on orcs.

 

This closes out the general probability of (U = G).

[MangoArt 399]

Yes but it never says goblins aren't smarter than humans. Not to mention, there's a difference between Intelligence and Wisdom. For example, consider DnD stats: Intelligence is your book smarts, and wisdom is your IQ. Now, here's the paragraph on orcs: "Uruks, much like their variability physically, possess the birthright to natural intelligence. They can be gifted with inherent intelligence, and have the same ability as humans to gather and process information, to learn. It is however uncommon to find an educated Uruk, as war culture dominates over education, resulting in a stigma that Uruks are less intelligent than humans, which isn't the case. Uruks are often crude and blunt due to this war culture, and find themselves uncaring when emotions would normally grip at the hearts of humans. As a result, most Uruks are hardened to the begging pleas of races begging to not be killed in war, to which is often ignored."

[Medvekoma 2073]

Just now, MangoArt said:

it never says goblins aren't smarter than humans

 

Yeah, but the deductive reasoning was for humans being definitely smarter than uruks.

 

Just now, MangoArt said:

Not to mention, there's a difference between Intelligence and Wisdom. For example, consider DnD stats: Intelligence is your book smarts, and wisdom is your IQ.

 

You do know the only reason that's like that is so that caster characters can't just level one single stat? Also, the quotes refer to both wisdom and intelligence in establishing the definite human > Uruk relation.

 

For goblins > humans, that's just my opinion.

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[Catarrh 720]

31 minutes ago, Medvekoma said:

 

 

 

Considering the Olog-Goblin spectrum of the ork race, it's safe to say the bigger they are, the dumber they are as well. And reversed too. So in my eyes, you either play a 5'something'' Uruk with human-level intelligence, or a 7''+ Uruk that's as stupid as orcs are usually portrayed (not Olog level though).

 

 Taken from the orc section of the Lotc wiki http://prnt.sc/d3hs6j  ( https://wikia.lordofthecraft.net/index.php?title=Orcs ) Regardless of what you like or dislike, the lore states (and has stated for years) that assuming an uruk to be stupid simply based on his race and size is a mistake. This is the lore, whether you like it or not. An uruk's intelligence varies from one uruk to the next. 

[Medvekoma 2073]

Just now, Catarrh said:

 Taken from the orc section of the Lotc wiki http://prnt.sc/d3hs6j  ( https://wikia.lordofthecraft.net/index.php?title=Orcs ) Regardless of what you like or dislike, the lore states (and has stated for years) that assuming an uruk to be stupid simply based on his race and size is a mistake. This is the lore, whether you like it or not. An uruk's intelligence varies from one uruk to the next. 

 

Wiki isn't part of the official lore.

 

Quote the lore page on the forums instead.

[Catarrh 720]

Just now, Medvekoma said:

 

Wiki isn't part of the official lore.

 

Quote the lore page on the forums instead.

Last I checked no official forum lore page states that uruks are required to be stupid.

[MangoArt 399]

Just now, Medvekoma said:

 

Wiki isn't part of the official lore.

 

Quote the lore page on the forums instead.

They actually say the same thing