Are Goblins or Humans smarter?

[oblivionsbane 714]

IC intelligence is largely influenced by OOC intelligence. Whenever it comes to more defining qualities like this it's usually best to answer equal because there's just as much chance for an intelligent player to play one race to another. going by lore, I would say goblins are pretty smart, but there are definitely humans who could trump them. This is because for every goblin on the server there are 20 humans, which means there's a higher chance for a human to be smarter. If you want to go deeper, Elven (magic) and Dwarves (conventional) are by far the smartest group/race. No other group or race has quite the amount of approved lore for inventions and advances in their field. Goblins are pretty smart, but I would guess that they are not all that creative or ambitious which leads them to more often copying or slightly modifying designs rather than creative whole new ones. Humans are pretty much middle of the line in every respect except that there are a lot of them, so they have a higher chance of getting prodigy's.

[seannie 7443]

42 minutes ago, Niccum said:

have you ever heard of the raevir?

 

the goblins might be smarter

i dont know man, it might even be worse than that,

 

cause i mean, i hear this one waldenian nuked his own capital after having a mental breakdown

 

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[Mabah 156]

1 hour ago, oblivionsbane said:

IC intelligence is largely influenced by OOC intelligence. Whenever it comes to more defining qualities like this it's usually best to answer equal because there's just as much chance for an intelligent player to play one race to another. going by lore, I would say goblins are pretty smart, but there are definitely humans who could trump them. This is because for every goblin on the server there are 20 humans, which means there's a higher chance for a human to be smarter. If you want to go deeper, Elven (magic) and Dwarves (conventional) are by far the smartest group/race. No other group or race has quite the amount of approved lore for inventions and advances in their field. Goblins are pretty smart, but I would guess that they are not all that creative or ambitious which leads them to more often copying or slightly modifying designs rather than creative whole new ones. Humans are pretty much middle of the line in every respect except that there are a lot of them, so they have a higher chance of getting prodigy's.

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[MangoArt 399]

So I think that Goblins and Humans each have a bonus. Humans vary far too much to have an 'average' IQ, so I think IQ should not be something to judge it on. So this leaves us with how much they know. In this case, both humans and goblins vary. However, most goblins are skilled with engineering, tinkering, and alchemy but not intelligent in any other aspects. Humans can be good at anything. Conclusion: Its very hard to say which is smarter.

[Taketheshot 3834]

Having played both races I agree, they each have their own smarts. In an engineering/tinkering contest the Goblin would annihilate any human contender. When it comes to things like art and social smarts humans win. 

[Medvekoma 2073]

Definitely goblins. Humans should be the very middle between all races, the most mediocre in everything. Uruks are less smart than humans, but stronger. Goblins are a lot smarter than humans, but small.

 

Just like Dwarves. DWARVES ARE SMARTER AS WELL.

[lawnmowerman 3040]

i personally think goblins have autism

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[Catarrh 720]

5 hours ago, oblivionsbane said:

Goblins are pretty smart, but I would guess that they are not all that creative or ambitious which leads them to more often copying or slightly modifying designs rather than creative whole new ones. 

 I'm not sure about that, to be fair. There are some pretty inventive war machines in orc lore. 

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 From what I've seen of the lore, goblins seem to be (at least lore-wise) a pretty seriously ambitious bunch. Though maybe it's worth mentioning that no new war machines have been invented since these, and the machines listed here never appear in rp. Though, I'd say that's more of an rp and minecraft mechanics issue than a lore issue. So, I think as far as lore goes, goblins would (in theory) be intellectually capable of inventing and building some very creative and ambitious new war engines and what-not, but it tends not to come up because people don't all-to-commonly seem to play goblins with that goal in mind. 

 

 Anyway, at the risk of just rewording what everyone else has been saying on this thread, I suppose it just boils down to culture. Humans, elves, and dwarves, I'd say, are more educated. Goblins, typically lacking access to any formal education, rely more on raw intelligence. Really, when I imagine goblin engineering, I think of it as being extremely ambitious but very risky, because you've got a guy who may or may not even know how to count building a gigantic killing machine for you. Come to think of it, that sounds like a pretty fun character to play: just some goblin who never learned math, and has to base all his measurements off of intuition, leading to new inventions commonly backfiring and blowing up in his face. Maybe a smidge cliche, but still sounds fun.

[oblivionsbane 714]

1 hour ago, Catarrh said:

 I'm not sure about that, to be fair. There are some pretty inventive war machines in orc lore. 

http://prntscr.com/d38463

http://prnt.sc/d383d4

 From what I've seen of the lore, goblins seem to be (at least lore-wise) a pretty seriously ambitious bunch. Though maybe it's worth mentioning that no new war machines have been invented since these, and the machines listed here never appear in rp. Though, I'd say that's more of an rp and minecraft mechanics issue than a lore issue. So, I think as far as lore goes, goblins would (in theory) be intellectually capable of inventing and building some very creative and ambitious new war engines and what-not, but it tends not to come up because people don't all-to-commonly seem to play goblins with that goal in mind. 

 

 Anyway, at the risk of just rewording what everyone else has been saying on this thread, I suppose it just boils down to culture. Humans, elves, and dwarves, I'd say, are more educated. Goblins, typically lacking access to any formal education, rely more on raw intelligence. Really, when I imagine goblin engineering, I think of it as being extremely ambitious but very risky, because you've got a guy who may or may not even know how to count building a gigantic killing machine for you. Come to think of it, that sounds like a pretty fun character to play: just some goblin who never learned math, and has to base all his measurements off of intuition, leading to new inventions commonly backfiring blowing up in his face. Maybe a smidge cliche, but still sounds fun.

I like your explanation, actually.

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I would say that Goblins could maybe spawn a Braniac or Two kinda rare but not too rarely (i'd image more commonly than that in the Raguk Clan) but because they are Brothers of Krug they feel as the Orcs and Ologs are family and understand their ways and even becoming Shamans now and then

[MangoArt 399]

20 hours ago, Medvekoma said:

Definitely goblins. Humans should be the very middle between all races, the most mediocre in everything. Uruks are less smart than humans, but stronger. Goblins are a lot smarter than humans, but small.

 

Just like Dwarves. DWARVES ARE SMARTER AS WELL.

Uruks actually have human intelligence, its just the education system of the Late Uzg was more war based, so they aren't as book smart. But Uruks most of the time are quite clever.

[Medvekoma 2073]

Just now, MangoArt said:

Uruks actually have human intelligence, its just the education system of the Late Uzg was more war based, so they aren't as book smart. But Uruks most of the time are quite clever.

 

Nope. I have a great dislike for any claim like that. Races should be balanced, and balanced by more tangible qualities than "bloodlust", "Nationalism" or claimed "infertility".

 

Considering the Olog-Goblin spectrum of the ork race, it's safe to say the bigger they are, the dumber they are as well. And reversed too. So in my eyes, you either play a 5'something'' Uruk with human-level intelligence, or a 7''+ Uruk that's as stupid as orcs are usually portrayed (not Olog level though).

 

And yeah, that also means Goblins are tiny masterminds.

[MangoArt 399]

5 minutes ago, Medvekoma said:

 

Nope. I have a great dislike for any claim like that. Races should be balanced, and balanced by more tangible qualities than "bloodlust", "Nationalism" or claimed "infertility".

 

Considering the Olog-Goblin spectrum of the ork race, it's safe to say the bigger they are, the dumber they are as well. And reversed too. So in my eyes, you either play a 5'something'' Uruk with human-level intelligence, or a 7''+ Uruk that's as stupid as orcs are usually portrayed (not Olog level though).

 

And yeah, that also means Goblins are tiny masterminds.

That's NOT  How it works. You can't just say "Nope the Lore's wrong here's how it is."

 

[Medvekoma 2073]

Just now, MangoArt said:

That's NOT  How it works. You can't just say "Nope the Lore's wrong here's how it is."

 

 

"My uneducated ork is actually as smart as a human, it just doesn't show" sounds like cherry picking race advantages and disadvantages.