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[InfamousGerman 1553]

The higher staff continues their pattern of removing capable underlings that disagree with them and voice their concerns rather than icing utterly useless members who contribute to their echo chamber.

[𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖌𝖚𝖘𝖍 2451]

22 minutes ago, Esterlen said:

As it so happens, I’ve just been informed of the removal Thepyrodude from the GM team for the accusations of having a poor ‘general demeanour towards players’ as well as ‘general abrasiveness’, punctuated by ambiguous and as yet unclarified charges of ‘past complaints’ and ‘staff misconduct’.

Well I figure I can at least shed some light on this situation as difficult as it is to discuss things with a GM it seemed I received very little cooperation from Pyro when we spoke in an attempt to perhaps balance what has been unbalanced.



This type of OOC behavior from a moderator of all staff members makes a negative impact on the staff as it is. For a GM to OOCly oust players from having any leadership type position simply because they dislike those players seems very malicious when it comes to a cooperative as much as competitive role play server.

 

[Naj 545]

High flung statements of claimed bias as a result of unfavorable decisions to you and your player base's goals is not bias, but simply reprimanding for negative action. Tahmas is not nearly the worst admin we've ever had. He's not nearly even a bad one. He works diligently staying in all teamspeaks available for a word if need be. 

 

He is the target of scapegoating as suddenly the admin team rules against Oren. As soon as that happens it must be bias. This post screams confirmation bias. It screams high horse. 

 

@Tahmas don't resign. This is simply adversity in the face of a changing staff team that doesn't necessarily inherently favor Oren. There is still a large group of players that is very much in favor of your position and a large group who is simply standing by at it. The vocal minority is not the majority.

 

As for the claims of no evidence. There is clear evidence evidence enough that those who were being victimized felt uncomfortable posting it in fear that people like you and your friends would target them further. I'm in favor of the defense of such people who fear even speaking out.

 

There is a large amount of pent up anger in this post that can only be a result of the fact that you are not getting your way in a world that can only go your way. My suggestion is simply to speak with the staff team more on this instead of tin foiling and demanding removal with high flown diction and accusation of someone who for once is actually doing their job.

 

 

[Lvke 1000]

1 minute ago, Marijuanaology said:

Well I figure I can at least shed some light on this situation as difficult as it is to discuss things with a GM it seemed I received very little cooperation from Pyro when we spoke in an attempt to perhaps balance what has been unbalanced.



This type of OOC behavior from a moderator of all staff members makes a negative impact on the staff as it is. For a GM to OOCly oust players from having any leadership type position simply because they dislike those players seems very malicious when it comes to a cooperative as much as competitive role play server.

 

 

If you read the entirety of the post, this was addressed. There are several leaders within Oren that have previously been considered enemies, but because they weren't merely being OOCly malignant and actively RPed their plotting, it was all fine. But with players such as Malg who OOCly plot and consistently over numerous characters appear to create issues for one particular group, it's a massive red flag and really, if it was any other playerbase but Oren, most people would be totally on board with that blacklist.

[z3m0s 1957]

Just stop....

[Thatpyrodude 2008]

1 minute ago, Nazdus said:

Well as someone whose been involved in some of these incidents I'll chime in a bit.

 

One of my friends quit the server after Pyro block an alchemist fire with a wooden shield, and then said wait defender default and 15v1d him with the guards he meta'd online. Another time we went to assassinate him he ran from RP but couldn't be downed due to the god mode..

 

just me tho what do i know

I'll respond to this since its blatantly false. I had a guard directly in front of me holding a shield and a door right behind me. The fire collided with the shield, killing the guard but sparing me and giving me time to dip into the garden. Your "friend" repeatedly tried to power game and force an ooc agenda to the point where I asked in gm chat if anyone was busy. Flam responded and after watching for some time said we would get no where with this and enforced pvp. As for your other point I've never done anything of the sort, that's just false.

[Jonificus 2741]

Funny to see how the dwarves and orcs conveniently support the regime that 

6 minutes ago, Joe / joenaj / Yemekar said:

doesn't necessarily inherently favor Oren

 

But I'm afraid that's not gonna work this time around, friendo. Not like getting opposed by the staff team has ever stopped Oren from getting what they want anyways, might have to do with that "RP" thing that some of the elves sometimes do.

[Silverstatik 218]

Pryos a good guy, doesn't protect him if he made the wrong choices but I think a situation of this importance should be made clear to the player base in why it is happening. Tiptoeing ooc power moves behind the community's back on a server where we all share a community isn't how things should be done.

[Raomir 1855]

2 minutes ago, Nazdus said:

Well as someone whose been involved in some of these incidents I'll chime in a bit.

 

One of my friends quit the server after Pyro block an alchemist fire with a wooden shield, and then said wait defender default and 15v1d him with the guards he meta'd online. Another time we went to assassinate him he ran from RP but couldn't be downed due to the god mode..

 

just me tho what do i know

I was present when this went down, and Pyro had a VERY  toxic attitude towards the clearly newer player, and was obviously just RPing to win, with zero regards whatsoever to creating any fun or enjoyable RP. He had no interest in creating an interesting story. Blocking alchemist fire with a wooden shield is the most blatant power-gaming I have ever seen. Would have never expected this from a GM of this server.

 

I'd also like to point out that prior to Pyro's curious ascent to GM, he was a well known forum troll who spent his days trash talking anyone and everyone. Not really surprised this happened. 

[Lvke 1000]

5 minutes ago, Joe / joenaj / Yemekar said:

High flung statements of claimed bias as a result of unfavorable decisions to you and your player base's goals is not bias, but simply reprimanding for negative action. Tahmas is not nearly the worst admin we've ever had. He's not nearly even a bad one. He works diligently staying in all teamspeaks available for a word if need be. 

 

He is the target of scapegoating as suddenly the admin team rules against Oren. As soon as that happens it must be bias. This post screams confirmation bias. It screams high horse. 

 

@Tahmas don't resign. This is simply adversity in the face of a changing staff team that doesn't necessarily inherently favor Oren. There is still a large group of players that is very much in favor of your position and a large group who is simply standing by at it. The vocal minority is not the majority.

 

As for the claims of no evidence. There is clear evidence evidence enough that those who were being victimized felt uncomfortable posting it in fear that people like you and your friends would target them further. I'm in favor of the defense of such people who fear even speaking out.

 

There is a large amount of pent up anger in this post that can only be a result of the fact that you are not getting your way in a world that can only go your way. My suggestion is simply to speak with the staff team more on this instead of tin foiling and demanding removal with high flown diction and accusation of someone who for once is actually doing their job.

 

 

This is just simple shilling to the nth degree. There's a reason for all the pent-up anger, and it's because the playerbase, most notably the largest on the server, feels unjustly targeted by the moderation team that is supposed to ensure that the server remains fresh and fun. When you have a team that is actively biased against one nation, is composed of an oligarchic clique of people and actively stifles and repeals legitimate roleplay such as the High Elven coup, it doesn't just affect Oren.

 

In fact, many of the threads I've seen criticising the moderation team don't even originate from the Orenian playerbase, this is one of the first. Challenging Oren doesn't mean favouring smaller, niche playerbases simply because they happen to be in opposition, but stopping unfair actions with no grounds in roleplay. Ideally, the staff team should be wholly neutral.

 

To insinuate that the evidence which was never provided is worth more than another's words is stupid. Absolutely ******* retarded, in fact. This pent up anger we feel doesn't stem only from the players of Oren, but from numerous areas on the server as we have to deal with bullshit time and time again from a staff team that acts like an Orwellian example of an overreaching, oligarchic authoritarian government which actively stifles anything that they do not approve of.

[Naj 545]

Just now, Jonificus said:

Funny to see how the dwarves and orcs conveniently support the regime that 

 

But I'm afraid that's not gonna work this time around, friendo. Not like getting opposed by the staff team has ever stopped Oren from getting what they want anyways, might have to do with that "RP" thing that some of the elves sometimes do.

Man I argued with Tahmas last weekend about the war claim we don't always agree.

 

To say that my opinion is completely invalid due to my position is shortsighted to say the least. Could say the same about Maly and the rest of those against Tahmzas. This is an open topic where all opinions are valid so lets discuss not devalue.

[Zhulik 3559]

i afk so much that people think i fake it

i've transcended, i've surpassed jonathann226 as AFK lord

[Dohvi 622]

23 minutes ago, 吳憾戰士14 said:

-Snip about feedback not appearing on recent topics bar-

Dunno why you think you'd be punished for that. I literally pointed it out in the FM chat before this all started. I can confirm it's not a bug, but the decision certainly surprised me. Especially when things we've actually requested be hidden from the sidebar (applications and the like) have not been as far as I can tell.

 

42 minutes ago, Esterlen said:

Your attempt to silence the dissent that’s come from this incredibly poor decision (Getting the Orwellian FMs on red hot alert to shut up anybody criticizing this?

There shouldn't be any feedback or serious comments removed, I was very explicit on my instructions there. Should only be the shitposting and spam getting hidden. If anything you feel was legitimate feedback disappears, don't hesitate to poke me about it. 

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Just now, Dohvi said:

Dunno why you think you'd be punished for that.

*sighs and wipes forehead