OOC ideas in Roleplay

[Ducklingator 795]

I've been trying to ignore it, but I'm becoming heavily bothered by how many roleplay concepts- religions, or cultures- are blatant copies of OOC cultures. I'm not talking about other games, books or movies, just real life concepts copy-pasted onto roleplay posts and called original. Islam and Christianity are literally mainstream roleplay religions. There's people that almost speak full-on German or wear Keffiyehs. I understand not all people are willing to sit down and come up with an entirely new culture, but there's very little original ideas around here and it generally just annoys me. Make a rule against those types of things, it's literally OOC in RP.

[Trenchist 864]

I think its because there is no other medieval-based minecraft roleplaying community and since its also fantasy they have to atleast change it abit so its not realistic

[argonian 14254]

implying the entire high elf culture isn't just the result of some guy playing skyrim one day and wanting to play a thalmor

[Gallic 1066]

IRL folklore and parallels are the backbone for pretty much any fantasy universe, even granddaddy Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. If you start saying that people shouldn't be allowed to take things from IRL religion and stories and put them in our fantasy minemo, we'd be taking... Druidism, almost every magic creature, dragons, potions, Shamanism, knights, leather armor, elves, dwarves, ogres... The list goes on.

 

For instance; Do you know how the Aspects came to be?

 

They were initially literally ripped straight from the Wiki pages for the IRL ancient pagan deities Cerridwen and Cernunnos, centerpoints for some sects of IRL Modern Druidism. They're still essentially the same deities as some IRL Druids talk about.

[Ducklingator 795]

2 minutes ago, TheCritsyBear said:

IRL folklore and parallels are the backbone for pretty much any fantasy universe, even granddaddy Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. If you start saying that people shouldn't be allowed to take things from IRL religion and stories and put them in our fantasy minemo, we'd be taking... Druidism, almost every magic creature, dragons, potions, Shamanism, knights, leather armor, elves, dwarves, ogres... The list goes on.

 

For instance; Do you know how the Aspects came to be?

 

They were initially literally ripped straight from the Wiki pages for the IRL ancient pagan deities Cerridwen and Cernunnos, centerpoints for some sects of IRL Modern Druidism. They're still essentially the same deities as some IRL Druids talk about.

 

I'm not talking about folklore, more so just religion and culture. Things that you hear about literally every day. The fact we can't come up with anything new whatsoever is, regardless, a problem- it's not even about creating a whole new concept. Heck, even using an entire Wikipedia page as the base to something larger isn't bad if you change the names, if you adjust it to current server lore.

 

7 minutes ago, James2k said:

so blatant rip-offs don't count as long as you only steal stuff other people have created, rather than drawing inspiration from the world around you like every author ever? i see

 

>fantasy server

 

- no real world ideas

 

- ideas from other places, like books, fairy tales etc

 

 

>non-fantasy server

 

- real world ideas (and mechanics/rules)

 

- no ideas from other places like books, fairy tales etc because there's no new things

[_pr0fit 3084]

33 minutes ago, SuperDuckyGamer said:

christian because you're intimidated by gay people

first off, wtf? are you implying all Christians are only Christians because they are intimidated by gay people? the notion really gives me the impression that maybe you need some kind of help, but that is neither here or there.

 

 

1 hour ago, SuperDuckyGamer said:

roleplay concepts- religions, or cultures- are blatant copies of OOC cultures.

 

secondly, if you will excuse my sarcasm, but, it's almost like cultural aspects that work in real life also work in a roleplay setting, it's almost as if sociology is a real thing.

[argonian 14254]

22 minutes ago, SuperDuckyGamer said:

 

I'm not talking about folklore, more so just religion and culture. Things that you hear about literally every day. The fact we can't come up with anything new whatsoever is, regardless, a problem- it's not even about creating a whole new concept. Heck, even using an entire Wikipedia page as the base to something larger isn't bad if you change the names, if you adjust it to current server lore.

 

 

>fantasy server

 

- no real world ideas

 

- ideas from other places, like books, fairy tales etc

 

 

>non-fantasy server

 

- real world ideas (and mechanics/rules)

 

- no ideas from other places like books, fairy tales etc because there's no new things

 

where do you think those books and fairy tales got their ideas???

 

and actually IG "christianity" was adjusted to server lore much better than high elven supremacy. canonism is based off the server creation lore and has roots going right back to the start of the server. it developed naturally. high elves were just normal elves who suddenly became white haired nazis because some guy really like skyrim.

[adamc2000 1385]

-1 im sorry but if it was your way there will kinda be no legit culture or religion, believe it or not, everything is base on something so the entire server will be atheist, plus why culture, culture brings a lot of fun and realistic rp, problems with cloths? that your problem, most clothes are made to fit the terrain they live in, religion also brings fun rp and there is no need to cut the beliefs out of lotc. even in mid evil fantasy they were base on some religion, map, or an ideal. so basically you wants  vanilla mincraft is what i take from here.

[bickando 3967]

Keep it civil or warnings will be handed out.

[Ducklingator 795]

1 minute ago, PoliceAli said:

first off, wtf? are you implying all Christians are only Christians because they are intimidated by gay people? the notion really gives me the impression that maybe you need some kind of help, but that is neither here or there.

 

No, but the Christianity ripoff in lotc really seems to exist for the sake of people having an RP excuse to kill anyone who isn't a six foot tall heterosexual full-blooded human empire solider. 

 

2 minutes ago, PoliceAli said:

secondly, if you will excuse my sarcasm, but, it's almost like cultural aspects that work in real life also work in a roleplay setting, it's almost as if sociology is a real thing

 

It's not aspects. It's, quite literally, the religion. Nothing is changed, nothing is different. Never have I seen a real roleplay explanation to why, say, Oren hates orcs/kha/elves.

 

2 minutes ago, adamc2000 said:

-1 im sorry but if it was your way there will kinda be no legit culture or religion, believe it or not, everything is base on something so the entire server will be atheist, plus why culture, culture brings a lot of fun and realistic rp, problems with cloths? that your problem, most clothes are made to fit the terrain they live in, religion also brings fun rp and there is no need to cut the beliefs out of lotc. even in mid evil fantasy they were base on some religion, map, or an ideal. so basically you wants  vanilla mincraft is what i take from here.

 

I don't want everyone to be an atheist. I want people to actually make up their own ideas, to be original and have new cultures. Hell, things that are based on other things are fine. But taking the wiki page of something and calling it your own makes everything unoriginal.

[argonian 14254]

10 minutes ago, SuperDuckyGamer said:

 

No, but the Christianity ripoff in lotc really seems to exist for the sake of people having an RP excuse to kill anyone who isn't a six foot tall heterosexual full-blooded human empire solider. 

 

 

It's not aspects. It's, quite literally, the religion. Nothing is changed, nothing is different. Never have I seen a real roleplay explanation to why, say, Oren hates orcs/kha/elves.

Because you haven't looked. Orenians hate Kha because they were created by a Daemon, Orcs because Krug killed Horen + all Orcs are savages, and Elves because they're all godless hedonists.

 

Also Canonism came from the original server lore so go and take it up with Availer if you don't like it.

[Man of Respect 5471]

1 hour ago, Trenchist said:

I think its because there is no other medieval-based minecraft roleplaying community and since its also fantasy they have to atleast change it abit so its not realistic

 

 

wait, let me consult my artificial magical arcane intelligence...

[Ducklingator 795]

1 hour ago, James2k said:

Because you haven't looked. Orenians hate Kha because they were created by a Daemon, Orcs because Krug killed Horen + all Orcs are savages, and Elves because they're all godless hedonists.

 

Also Canonism came from the original server lore so go and take it up with Availer if you don't like it.

 

Metzli being a Daemon, from what I know, is far from common knowledge. Also, Hou-zi were created by Metzli. Why don't you hate them? A human is as much of a hedonists as any elf, and some elves are canonist, have their ears clipped and fight for Oren like any human, yet they're still discriminated. And why the dislike for gays? Or, if you are going towards being a superior race as human, hedonism?

 

Also, alot of things came from the original server lore, that doesn't change a thing.

[Sky 0]

As a Catholic I truly don't get why you say Canonism is a 1:1 ratio of the religion, when it really isn't at all... Besides literally everything we have here is based off of real life things, because elves were considered folklore and so was magic, there is nothing wrong with basing cultures off of real culture and honestly this thread is useless. What is the end result you are hoping to achieve? Because I can assure you that the cultures will not be changing anytime soon, nor will the religions, so is this just a spitting-bucket filled with your personaly (irrational) distastes for a specific race? I mean, you're only calling out humans here, when I can tell you that every race bases it's ideals off of other things such as video games and books- But it seems you believe that ripping off video games and books is fine, just not real life? Though said books and video games come from real life, as in made in real life but because they are on a virtual playing field or a physical piece of paper its fine? I don't understand this whole high-horse ideal comes from that 'grr canon is just christianity in a nut shell- but all other religions are of their own creation, with zero influence from anything else' as well when it comes to europeian medieval culture. 

 

Point is- In Aegis a lot of cultures and religions were purely ripped off, however in the years that has passed since then, things have molded and shaped into their own thing. It has come to a point where everything in the server isn't really based off of real life or fantasy things, but more so based off of the history of their own 'things' within the server itself (which at one point in time was based off of something in real life). So to say 'everything is just a rip off of something in real life' is pretty much spitting on the history of the server, and shows how ignorant you are to how the in-game world(s) have shaped many of the religions/cultures/nations you see around.

[chaotikal 2392]

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