The Issues of Raiding

[Ixli 1472]

Raids are fine. Ban report the people doing it for OOC reasons and the issue is solved. All because you’re sad that another time zone is getting in the way of your ultra defense barricade supreme doesn’t mean that it needs to change.

 

And to be frank, this is about one settlement, as you only have experience from one.

 

This thread is pointless and just more blabber for “this server is problematic let’s complain when there’s nothing to truly complain about”.

[ryno2 1285]

"if you dont wanna get raided just keep the gates closed lol snowflakes" 

[Sky 0]

6 minutes ago, Ixli said:

And to be frank, this is about one settlement, as you only have experience from one.

 

Whitepeak never existed I guess.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Hero_Prodigal said:

ok so let me break down your points:

point 1.) you don’t like the time you’re getting raided? sucks to suck I guess. It’s anti dynamic roleplay to actually enforce raid time windows (lol)

 

point 2.) you’re mad about toxicity and memes? the fact that shitty shitposts like “dominion shall soon fall” and whatnot offend you is saddening. Also:

Weren’t you just saying raids were occurring at peak times?

 

 

Point 3.) I’m sorry you don’t like people’s reasons to raid. This is a moot concern.

 

In short, this thread is pretty much useless and just another example of a carebear player not wanted their faction getting raided and whining about pvp in general, offering invalid solutions in regards to raiding.

 

Okay so i'll reply 

there is no need for personal comments such calling me a carebear player, the matter of a fact as i have stated in numerous times. 

How is raiding at off peak times good for roleplay? . As for for the toxicity, its not my personal feelings alone, numerous others are of the same point , it ruins the fun for others. Its an issue for all the community to fix. I have never said they raid at peak times because clearly they dont. 

 

4 minutes ago, Ixli said:

Raids are fine. Ban report the people doing it for OOC reasons and the issue is solved. All because you’re sad that another time zone is getting in the way of your ultra defense barricade supreme doesn’t mean that it needs to change.

 

And to be frank, this is about one settlement, as you only have experience from one.

 

this isnt about one settlement, i have experience from others. Its about the whole system as a whole. Its not about another timezone getting the activity because thats great considering im gmt and gear my own events to EST. the point is when all raids recently have been in the middle of the night , from around 11pm EST until 4am EST. so basically when the server is at its most quiet. Its not creating rp from doing these raids at these times 

[Inferno_Ougi 1454]

lol

[Ixli 1472]

11 minutes ago, Pun said:

this isnt about one settlement, i have experience from others. Its about the whole system as a whole. Its not about another timezone getting the activity because thats great considering im gmt and gear my own events to EST. the point is when all raids recently have been in the middle of the night , from around 11pm EST until 4am EST. so basically when the server is at its most quiet. Its not creating rp from doing these raids at these times 

 

Bud,

 

Raids have never been about RP. It’s a way for the PVPers to ease their click addiction, always has been. Your experience from other settlements has not even been in the time period of the current raid rules. 

 

I also would like to apologize about my comment about timezones, because clearly all of us are capable of staying up to 3 am as a proud member of the GMT timezones - that was indeed sarcasm, as some of us have the wisdom to go to bed early and not screw up our sleep schedules. 

 

What youre asking for is the administration to disallow raiding during certain timezones because it doesn’t fit your capabilities. It’s entirely unreasonable.

 

Sorry, Pun. The current raid rules are fine. If you can prove their doing it for OOC reasons, then all you need to do is BR and they will stop. 

[Ark 2835]

raids are **** if raids were removed server would improve 10 fold. 

[Inferno_Ougi 1454]

1 minute ago, Ark said:

raids are **** if raids were removed server would improve 10 fold. 

lol

[Ixli 1472]

1 minute ago, Ark said:

raids are **** if raids were removed server would improve 10 fold. 

 

“The sky gods said we can’t raid or pillage!”

[Ixli 1472]

4 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

 

this mindset is a problem

 

It’s really the truth and will always be it. Can’t really change an online mindset. 

[Archbishop 1784]

2 hours ago, Jondead said:

Very true, though I am mainly meaning PvP Goons who just raid for the lolz, like if people raid they need a good roleplay reason for it I agree, and can't agree more really, it is fun to see a festival raid. If done correctly, people who just raid for PvP reasons and drops a poor excuse for it like "I wanna kill this dude lolol", like come on man, you don't need to raid for that, just walk up with a consealed dagger and then stab them in the neck, you don't need to bring your goonies to join you, in a murdering ? but back to the point I agree, but I think a rule to make sure it is a good raid before it happens will have the chance to help Dynamic Roleplay somewhat. ❤️ sorry if you took some offence man.

And how would you regulate who is a 'pvp goon' and what is a 'good' reason to raid. What one may believe is a good reason for a raid, others may not.

[Archbishop 1784]

6 minutes ago, Jaeden said:

nstead, the current raiding atmosphere is: 'Go see if X's cooldown is up yet.' Then people wonder why majority of the community push for defender favouritism.

You realise that in almost every single raid taken part on this server, when raiders turn up in their city, the defenders automatically draw arms against them. Are you expecting this to be rp'ed?

[Archbishop 1784]

1 minute ago, Jaeden said:

 

Forum thread, offer an ultimatum.

 

Of course people are going to draw arms when they see a group of clearly antagonistic individuals strolling up to a city.

Then I do not see why people are complaining that raids are always pvp, if they draw arms then it is obvious conflict will ensue, bandits won't just leave cause the guards are defending.

[oblivionsbane 714]

I think raids are fine. I know you're mainly talking about the Dominion here, and for the Dominion, a raid that happens when barely anyone is on is great. You get several days that you can keep your gates open with barely a worry. I've said it to people before, if you raid the Dominion it doesn't matter if you win or lose, the Dominion still wins because they get to keep their gates open.

 

On the other hand, I do think raids should be taken more seriously. OOC references, trolling, and memery during a raid has to break rules and shouldn't be tolerated the way that it is.

 

If anything, I'd say the problem with late night raids is that the raid rules don't let enough players take part in a raid to reasonably raid at peak hours. Of course, the problem with unhinging raids like that is OOC relations like this post is bringing up. Players on here will fight alongside their OOC friends, even if there's literally no RP reason to. Of course we all know how it goes, you make up the reason as you go. I remember a ~15-20 person raid Oren organized in Vailor I was in the TS for. They just were going from TS to TS getting random people to go do a meta rally to meta rescue a guy they had no idea about. For you old Dominion folk reading this, if you remember that one raid where people showed up on horses and Artimec ended up getting lashed by one of the Oreners, it was that one. Then there's also raiding because of OOC feelings which frankly is a side affect of the toxicity problem we have. There's not much we can do about that without intrinsically changing how the server is, and the staff would all have to come together and be of a single mind if they wanted to make that happen.

[Salvo 1852]

Pun, your first point is moot. While it's not exactly great to raid at off-peak times, it's one way for the attackers to even the odds, as more often than not they will be outnumbered by a large margin. Expanding on this point, raids are almost never fun for BOTH parties, as losing in a surprise raid isn't the most pleasurable thing, whether you be the attacker or the defender. The same cannot be said for organized skirmishes, which seem to be mostly salt-free.

 

Regarding the rest of the topic: my stance on this is and always has been the same. Raids, as they are, contribute NOTHING to the server and are simply used as a way to bother a group you dislike or to get your pvp fix. That is because raids are inherently without concequences, be it an attacker or defender victory. In the former case, people's RP gets interrupted and resumes one hour later as if nothing happened, and in the latter the raiders will simply try again in a few IRL days with the exact same roster of players and characters.

 

This means that the people claiming raids are done to further RP are simply formulating excuses to justify either their target of OOC hatred or their need to pvp.

 

This could partly be fixed by either making raids have more lasting concequences, which would undoubtably be abused by the more aggressive groups, or by simply making warclaims easier to do and reducing their effect. Right now it always ends in total annihilation for one side or another.

 

 

In regards to the trolling and memeing, since the staff teams of the past have not stopped it at its inception, it has become a deeply ingrained part of the community. An easy solution would be to adopt a zero-tolerance policy and start handing out blacklists and short bans, though that would mean facing the inevitable backlash of people complaining that they can't leisurely be assholes anymore.