The Issues of Raiding

[blago 1602]

Just now, jdesarno said:

hell day one I went to Haense when It got raided and got executed in the square for not paying 1000 mina.

I did this. Let me explain, sir! This was not out of OOC but IC passion. Don't judge my character for being a very greedy man of cruel nature! I was simply following the RP in that environment, and playing my character properly. Honestly it just seems like everyone is investing themselves OOC'ly to things that are IC! Don't judge me for playing my character properly and so good that the power of my emotes turns populations in fear. 

We're in the badlands, bucko. Eat your protein and fight back or become a slave to the alpha fursuits. Woof woof.

[Chimp 528]

8 hours ago, Tha_Mystery_Man said:

I support whatchu saying Pun, however get ready for the PVP Goons incoming ready to defend PVP until they die~

 

+1

People have every rp reason possible to keep raiding your estate as long as you don't pk the serial murderer character that you have that was publicly executed several times. People irp think you guys are spook and will keep raiding you. If this is what your complaint was for.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

8 minutes ago, Holy_Orenian_Empire said:

People have every rp reason possible to keep raiding your estate as long as you don't pk the serial murderer character that you have that was publicly executed several times. People irp think you guys are spook and will keep raiding you. If this is what your complaint was for.

The serial murder who has been publicly executed several times should not be antagonizing the people who executed him, nor should the raiders who have been killed multiple times raid the city who killed them.

[Chimp 528]

1 minute ago, WuHanXianShi14 said:

The serial murder who has been publicly executed several times should not be antagonizing the people who executed him, nor should the raiders who have been killed multiple times raid the city who killed them.

can you repeat that ty

[osumanduas 1442]

Can we just patch this quick so I don't have to stay up till two in the morning on a school night because some screamer wants to ruin everybody's night?

 

People keep bitching about how it's ooc beef, or bad villain role-play. It derails the conversation. People here have lives outside of the server and shouldn't have to perpetually stay up late due to the threat of some guy walking in and causing a scene.

[Dromui 755]

We all want to complain about how raiding should be fun for all parties, but even if raiders came in to your city at your peak time and offered you what you desired, then you may be happy, but it's unlikely the raiding group will be. At the end of the day, raiding is confrontation. Of course the attacking party is going to attack you and your folks when you are at your weakest. In what world are a ten dude peak going to attack you when you have 20+ people ready to defend. It doesn't take a strategic genius to realize attacking a stronger force when they are at their weakest is the best decision. Not that it's any better, but expecting sportsmanship out of people is dumb. At one point there was an entire Discord designed and utilized by elves to mass ping 30+ people anytime a group of bandits were seen. Is that good sportsmanship? No. Is it good sportsmanship to 10 man a city inhabited by 3 folks at 3:00 AM on a Wednesday evening/morning? Not at all.

 

While I commend this post, considering you want to see a change in how things are handled, it's unlikely anything will change. This isn't something the staff can fix. They can make the most hardcore, concrete rules for raiding that limits the potential for raiding, it'll just piss off the folks who want to raid and drive them to be more toxic. They can do the opposite of that, make raiding more readily available which'll make the raiders happy, but then the defenders are gonna get fucked for it because no one wants to sit around a Mineman city for 24 hours a day on the off change Bub'kill and his group of orcs are gonna bust on in for the beat down from the times of 2:00 PM to 2:00 AM on a Tuesday. Seems like you are reaching out to the community with the hopes of seeking some empathy. It's a great thing, offering your peers respect in that regard, though it's not going to work either.

 

It's just too far gone at this point for anything to change. Follow the advice that was so intelligently quoted by Sand_King. Just log off, worse case scenario you get a week long ban. Oh well, you avoided the **** raid and you can do something else with your time for the week until you can come back and combat log again. I imagine the staff handing out combat log bans every single raid will bring awareness to the admins the current system is ****. They care about player growth and retention, not roleplay standard. Give them statistics that'll raise concern.

[Temp 2006]

Unless someone is breaking rules like flying into structures, spamming the ever living **** out of rolls, raid baiting, abusing PEX or making abuse of mechanics / glitching to bypass locks or walls, there's not really a strong grounds for complaints on raiding. Report raids as they occur to acquire your cool downs, disregard idiotic behavior and report violations as they arise. It is, or was, VERY common for players that violated rules to be banned or blacklisted. 

[ThatGuy_777 220]

Raids should absolutely incorporate more interesting/engaging RP rather than instances of charging forth, popping every person standing, and rubbing salt in the wounds with X series of memery and trollishness. "Why bother even being online?" That is far from a satisfactory compromise and I definitely feel this area could be improved with collaborative communication.

[Gladuos 869]

Raiding and server rules are tailored in such a way that can be easily abused for harassing people and farming pixels. For the worst people on this server it's very much not a tool for roleplay. PVP default is enforced when 10+ people are in a conflict. Most of the time attackers bring 10 people or close to that number so they can automatically call PVP after very sparse and piss poor RP. Let's not forget many people have to carry around RP items because server rules say if you don't have it in your inventory, you can't use it IRP. Therefore, most people who are on the defending side have many RP items in their inventory at risk while the attacking side would've certainly cleared their inventories of important items ahead of time. It's a tool used to farm pixels off people in that case, in the worst scenario where people are abusing the system. In my personal experience, I've found raids tend to just hinder roleplay by interrupting whatever was happening at the time for minimal effort emotes followed by clicky click mineman experience. One side dies and we go about our day pretending it never happened. It's awful and counter-productive to a healthy roleplay environment.

[drfate786 1690]

9 hours ago, Jaeden said:

 

Hey that's from the witchery mod.

 

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Anyway, I'm sure players would enjoy themselves more if these targeted raids genuinely promoted roleplay. I'm not saying that all raids should only hold roleplay combat, or be slanted to the defender's advantage. What I'm saying is that raiding groups should learn to offer options to settlements: have them break vassal or face consequences, tribute, take in slaves instead of slaughtering everyone, ransom, etc etc. It's not difficult at all.

 

It's because raiders nowadays only have 30 minutes to raid until a GM smacks them. If they try to take anyone for ransom the person will stall until the defenders in question can rally in their discord and get a large rally started via meta rallying. They have to run in and essentially pugsy everyone before a 20-30 man zerg shows up and kills the small group of 12 raiders. 

[Its_Just_Leap 399]

10 hours ago, L0rdLawyer said:

You know my stance.

Dude you know you're not that important that everyone is gonna know what you think right?

[Destroyer_Bravo 1054]

so I guess this doesn't exactly translate to mineman but...

 

 

 

when I play eve online we face a similar problem with various enemy groups arriving in our money-making space, so basically it goes like this:

 

we log off

 

then log back on when they get bored and leave

 

then keep doing what we do

 

if someone is forced to engage we deal with it, but the best way to avoid raids is to deny content to your enemies

 

 

[CanadianKiwiFlight 1901]

18 hours ago, Holy_Orenian_Empire said:

People have every rp reason possible to keep raiding your estate as long as you don't pk the serial murderer character that you have that was publicly executed several times. People irp think you guys are spook and will keep raiding you. If this is what your complaint was for.

 

My comment had nothing to do with people raiding my Estate, nor do I care about being killed or raided IRP for my character's actions. I believe however, that just like road banditry, attacking someone for the main purpose of OOC resources is stupid, and that the raiding system is slightly flawed.

 

Road Banditry roleplay, along with raids that are focused upon midmaxing to get the most successful outcome, are results of people munchkin-ing the system. *RARELY* adding any interesting roleplay to either party.

 

I believe raids should have bigger ROLEPLAY REASONS behind them, other than mid-maxing. Not saying that there ARENT raids with legitimate roleplay reasons behind them, just that raids focused upon "Lemme stream snipe this guy. Hey, lemme attack these people to get minas" are stupid. I know some people agree with me and Pun, but I know some people love to be PVP-Goons for life, and so that's why I made my joke~

[StarGazzer 287]

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