Persona Database Cleanse

[Merkaken 516]

Sweet Jesus last time I was here people screeched that Snelves were just a culture, now they’re screeching the opposite. No one’s ever happy on this server

[JokerLow 1317]

18 minutes ago, Haelunor said:

ive read the snow elf culture lore, have you?

 

To be honest, I didnt. I had no intention in doing that, but since they can keep an active community I dont see a reason to do such thing to them....

[Telanir 6975]

Just checking in to say that regardless of what mechanically you can click on—we won’t treat Nation status, land, and subraces as the same thing. If you earn land you will get land—the Administration won’t be looking at your character card. Good on you for the database purge though, hopefully it will keep things tidy for our Dev team.

[Willy6001 128]

1 minute ago, Telanir said:

Just checking in to say that regardless of what mechanically you can click on—we won’t treat Nation status, land, and subraces as the same thing. If you earn land you will get land—the Administration won’t be looking at your character card. Good on you for the database purge though, hopefully it will keep things tidy for our Dev team.

We care about our character card as well. Until you take away high elves, dark elves, and wood elves as well, you are targetting a specific subrace and it seems unacceptable from someone on your position on the server.

[Monkee 7369]

4 minutes ago, Telanir said:

Just checking in to say that regardless of what mechanically you can click on—we won’t treat Nation status, land, and subraces as the same thing. If you earn land you will get land—the Administration won’t be looking at your character card. Good on you for the database purge though, hopefully it will keep things tidy for our Dev team.

We’re addressing the fact that the Snow Elven subrace has been singled out for discrimination. High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves can have their races set to their proper subraces, but Snow Elves cannot, despite being a 2-3 year old subrace that’s more active than some of the other subraces with a valid lore and culture. Your comment is incredibly off-base and you fail to understand the impacts on this both in terms of recruitment and treatment.

[Telanir 6975]

5 minutes ago, Willy6001 said:

We care about our character card as well. Until you take away high elves, dark elves, and wood elves as well, you are targetting a specific subrace and it seems unacceptable from someone on your position on the server.

 

2 minutes ago, Aeldrin said:

We’re addressing the fact that the Snow Elven subrace has been singled out for discrimination. High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves can have their races set to their proper subraces, but Snow Elves cannot, despite being a 2-3 year old subrace that’s more active than some of the other subraces with a valid lore and culture. Your comment is incredibly off-base and you fail to understand the impacts on this both in terms of recruitment and treatment.

 

My comment, Aeldrin, was to make sure nobody felt this affected land. Period.

 

But, I can address the other concern too, since you guys ask. This discussion is really only beginning—but I too believe that all subraces should be affected. I have already begun dialogue on this matter with the Staff and I can keep you updated if you’d like. As far as your IRP position goes I don’t believe mechanical changes affect that, but then again, why one and not the others? I will look into this.

[Willy6001 128]

Just now, Telanir said:

 

 

My comment, Aeldrin, was to make sure nobody felt this affected land. Period.

 

But, I can address the other concern too, since you guys ask. This discussion is really only beginning—but I too believe that all subraces should be affected. I have already begun dialogue on this matter with the Staff and I can keep you updated if you’d like. As far as your IRP position goes I don’t believe mechanical changes affect that, but then again, why one and not the others? I will look into this.

Until you remove all of the elven sub races, I think it would be fair to re-instate snow elves to persona cards, to prevent it from looking like it is ooc targeting a specific subrace. 

[Monkee 7369]

Just now, Telanir said:

 

 

My comment, Aeldrin, was to make sure nobody felt this affected land. Period.

 

But, I can address the other concern too, since you guys ask. This discussion is really only beginning—but I too believe that all subraces should be affected. I have already begun dialogue on this matter with the Staff and I can keep you updated if you’d like. As far as your IRP position goes I don’t believe mechanical changes affect that, but then again, why one and not the others? I will look into this.

Why was the Snow Elven playerbase not even involved in this discussion process? We didn’t have a chance to fight for ourselves, we were told indirectly that we were being axed on a dev update post. Despite what you suggest, this will very much bring severe harm to our recruitment. Whether or not such a thing should be made applicable across the board is one matter but the fact that it was enacted on only ¼ subraces, without a discussion, is outrageous.

[J33xt101 316]

I want to know why the staff is trying to make this a basic non diverse RP server just like all the other lame ones. Part of having a good server is ensuring that people can be Whatever they want to be. I’m afraid that the staff is going to end up leaving only four playable races with no subracial options. What the heck man. @Sporadic

[Telanir 6975]

1 minute ago, Aeldrin said:

Why was the Snow Elven playerbase not even involved in this discussion process? We didn’t have a chance to fight for ourselves, we were told indirectly that we were being axed on a dev update post. Despite what you suggest, this will very much bring severe harm to our recruitment. Whether or not such a thing should be made applicable across the board is one matter but the fact that it was enacted on only ¼ subraces, without a discussion, is outrageous.

Hm, I want to make sure I understand this correctly. a) Snow Elves are not being axed. b) There are no IRP changes. c) An option from race selection is gone.

 

As far as I know, the Snow Elf roleplay, lore, and culture is rich and engaging as ever with the option and without it. But there may be something very obvious I’m not seeing and I understand that. Could you elaborate a bit on what your process is personally for attracting new folk and engaging activity in your group? I just wanted to see where the mechanics of the subrace button fit in there.

[Willy6001 128]

Just now, Telanir said:

Hm, I want to make sure I understand this correctly. a) Snow Elves are not being axed. b) There are no IRP changes. c) An option from race selection is gone.

 

As far as I know, the Snow Elf roleplay, lore, and culture is rich and engaging as ever with the option and without it. But there may be something very obvious I’m not seeing and I understand that. Could you elaborate a bit on what your process is personally for attracting new folk and engaging activity in your group? I just wanted to see where the mechanics of the subrace button fit in there.

By removing the one race, and starting with snow elves, the people behind this are specifically targetting snow elves, which indicates a level of bias. Unless all subraces are removed at once, snow elf as an option as a subrace on the player card should be reintsated. 

[Ioannis 1480]

Our entire argument is that we are an active player-base, with a steady new player applications which just lost its own sub-race in the in-game persona card while all the other sub-races didnt.

 

Why are the snow elves the ones who lost it and not the wood-elves or High-elves?

 

@Telanir

 

If the Devs are having issues with the sub-races, instead of targeting an active playerbase and removing their sub-races, they should either work harder on allowing all sub-races or non at all.

 

@Corvoo We are an actual sub-race with accepted Lore. Even Telanir admited that the snow elves are indeed an elven sub-race with rich history.

 

[Corvoo 562]

I don’t really have an opinion on the whole subrace vs culture thing. But if getting land means you’re considered a subrace, then ‘mother grove druid’ would be a race.

 

Obviously that’s wrong. That argument seems pretty invalid.

 

Regardless, hopefully this all gets sorted out sooner, rather than later. Never good to see part of the playerbase unhappy.

[Auriel_ 652]

make them default elves at this rate
while snow elves are seen as a dumb-dumb cultural subrace deal
if you’re gonna remove one, remove em all and make them just ‘elves’ like they should be anyway.

the dumb differentiations exist because old factions wanted to be special snowflakes regardless.

[Monkee 7369]

Just now, Telanir said:

Hm, I want to make sure I understand this correctly. a) Snow Elves are not being axed. b) There are no IRP changes. c) An option from race selection is gone.

 

As far as I know, the Snow Elf roleplay, lore, and culture is rich and engaging as ever with the option and without it. But there may be something very obvious I’m not seeing and I understand that. Could you elaborate a bit on what your process is personally for attracting new folk and engaging activity in your group? I just wanted to see where the mechanics of the subrace button fit in there.

When somebody decides whether or not to create an Elf, they will be mechanically presented by Wood Elf, High Elf, Dark Elf, and Elf. Their perception will be that those are the options, and they will select from them. Nobody’s going to decide to make an Elf persona and then add on the Snow Elf culture because they won’t even notice it.

 

Additionally, for a new player, being a Snow Elf will now mean being less valid than being a Dark Elf, High Elf, or Wood Elf. Snow Elves will be mechanically relegated to a culture instead of a subrace (the option to tag on Snow Elf is quite literally the culture section of the card), and whether or not the LT says that Snow Elves are a subrace, the mechanics specifically say otherwise and will supersede any claims to the contrary. If Snow Elves are listed on cards as a culture, and not as a subrace, they will not be considered a subrace and will be at best considered less valid than the others. This will be an incredibly massive hindrance to recruitment, in the same way that our recruitment was non-existent outside of asking people for interest before we were given subracialhood.

 

If the LT say that Snow Elves are a subrace, as you say (and as they do), why would we be arbitrarily axed from having the mechanical option of being a subrace? What was the point of this? All staff has done is **** the Snow Elves again lmao

2 minutes ago, Corvoo said:

I don’t really have an opinion on the whole subrace vs culture thing. But if getting land means you’re considered a subrace, then ‘mother grove druid’ would be a race.

 

Obviously that’s wrong. That argument seems pretty invalid.

 

Regardless, hopefully this all gets sorted out sooner, rather than later. Never good to see part of the playerbase unhappy.

That’s not what we’re arguing, we’re using it as proof that we’re an active subrace. We have the lore to back up subracial differentiations. So we’re not being axed for activity, and we’re not being axed for invalid lore. Why are we being mechanically axed?