Trouble in Toontown

[AstriaS 4988]

3 minutes ago, ErikAzog said:

I believe that your friends have proven why player bandits are demonized by the community.  

To be perfectly fair, I believe the issue of demonization is the root of the problem on both sides of the issue. People doing their casual slice-of-life RP expect to be annoyed by bad bandit RP because demonization leads them to believe it to be so. As a result, people doing banditry RP expect to be met with salt and vitriol, because they are conditioned to believe it will happen. Going even beyond bandits, there is a tendency for certain groups and individuals (who shall remain nameless for the sake of civility) to go full :pepega: any time other groups enter the same room, let alone RP in the same scene. Are you going to tell me that this reaction isn't the result of targeted demonization?

Either way, it's a problem that can't be solved because both sides have chosen the hill on which they will die. Bandits will rob people on the road, those people will choose to be vitriolic, the bandits will meme about it, people will talk about how bad the bandits are, and then the cycle will continue. This is the same argument that is had any time a guild in Black Desert decides to go around RDMing. People will do what they enjoy doing, people will dislike it and complain, and then when it happens again everyone will choose to be angry about it. Welcome to the status quo, friends. Nothing changes on the internet.

[Shmeepicus 4213]

As someone who was recently attacked by Mickaelhz group, (second day of map launch) I gotta say these guys were decent sports about it. We called a modreq when we likely didn't need too and something we could've avoided by talking with them (the two lads were dot and markuhz). After that I had encountered them running in the direction of Urguan.. they had 2 boys there and weren't feeling the PvP as well as they were within 100 blocks of the hub. Anyone who's taken a look at the rules recently will know that you cannot combat someone within 100 blocks of the spawn. KillerPandas was there, measured it for us and told us it was a no go but dot said he would be down if a third person came along to join them for a good lil' bout. I believe it was Nivindil or Livviez (I cannot recall who) who decided to take part in the fight.. and we got gacked. They proceeded to run me for my money, down me and send me back to CT with a kind "gg, sucks the one guy didn't have armour". At the end of the day, if they're being good sports about it and ACTUALLY trying to give you some character progression or development, why be so salty about it? It's a video game.. there's no reason to be upset about pixels and I honestly felt bad about the first encounter I had with these fellas, reaching out to Mickaelhz myself to apologize for being an ******* the previous day. Honestly boys, if y'all are going to take me out to the shed and take a couple of my character's fingers off or injure him, have at her.. because I'm on this server to create a story and that **** only serves to add to my story. Please don't just bandit for items though, that's all I ask. Regardless I'd say give these fellas a chance to prove that they ain't like the rest. That's my rant. ✌️

9 minutes ago, edelos said:

im sorry bandits are trash go back to hypixel bunnyboy goons.

 

upvoting cause good meme

[DAENGIE 514]

23 minutes ago, Sevastiel said:

Shut up and take my upvote. 

I did.

[Mickaelhz 4300]

12 minutes ago, Hanrahan said:

Your "community" has never, nor will ever, offer anything positive to this community no matter how hard you shill for it lmao we've been around for 9 years almost 10 and you're still the reprehensible cancer of lotc go away nobody wants you and thats gods honest feedback

 

You have no right to base your entire online personality around being an old fella if all you're going to use the sway you've gained over the years for is to steer new players in having toxic mentalities. In my mind older players should be icons for new players, they should teach them whatever they need instead of indoctrinating the rawest form of toxicity into their brains. 

 

Be an inspiration, stay away from orks too.

[Shmeepicus 4213]

11 minutes ago, AstriaS said:

To be perfectly fair, I believe the issue of demonization is the root of the problem on both sides of the issue. People doing their casual slice-of-life RP expect to be annoyed by bad bandit RP because demonization leads them to believe it to be so. As a result, people doing banditry RP expect to be met with salt and vitriol, because they are conditioned to believe it will happen. Going even beyond bandits, there is a tendency for certain groups and individuals (who shall remain nameless for the sake of civility) to go full :pepega: any time other groups enter the same room, let alone RP in the same scene. Are you going to tell me that this reaction isn't the result of targeted demonization?

Either way, it's a problem that can't be solved because both sides have chosen the hill on which they will die. Bandits will rob people on the road, those people will choose to be vitriolic, the bandits will meme about it, people will talk about how bad the bandits are, and then the cycle will continue. This is the same argument that is had any time a guild in Black Desert decides to go around RDMing. People will do what they enjoy doing, people will dislike it and complain, and then when it happens again everyone will choose to be angry about it. Welcome to the status quo, friends. Nothing changes on the internet.

 

Couldn't put it better myself.

[Pancakehz 2279]

Labelling the Orenian community as "the" lotc community doesnt support your pathetic attempts at disproving this post @orenshills. If you wanna talk about a group that has been constantly told to go away ask yourself why you are on your 7th or 8th iteration of your nation. All I've seen is you guys wanting to hold everybody else accountable while neglecting to do the same for your own guys. Toxicity isn't a term that only applies when you want it to.

[hotbox_monk 1049]

Wow, I can't believe people aren't owning up to this and other players like @Hanrahan who use phrases like "We've been around for 9-10 years." this and that, to try and act as if he even belongs to any friend group.  His community is the epitome of irrelevant.  Trying to put others down for conducting wayyy more quality rp is not how any veteran of this server should be acting.  Grow up and learn how to deal with bandits on minecraft.   

[Aplex 115]

The whole grrr bandit thing is just a bad stereotype that got engraved into players heads after bad encounters with previous bandits. It's not the hard to avoid bandits if ya don't want your role-play to get ruined. Just don't use the main roads lol. 

 

Anyways, thank you Ferrymen for providing good quality banditing roleplay. Every interaction i've had with a ferryman member has been enjoyable & a good laugh.

[paladinxo1 166]

I ran into this issue when I tried to be evil dark dwarves which is why I stopped playing them. People looked to us for a source of roleplay. Kinda like how early settlers in America would hunt large animals to the brink of extinction that's how I felt.  Just a mechanism to further someone else's white knight sense of roleplay of stop the bad guy and crush them or don't touch me because my fragile perception of my character being a center piece in the story of the lotc world can't be broken by a simple bandit. In truth I was being a bad guy to help give people that villainy roleplay they wanted but they just hunted us into extinction and life went on. Guards and cities need enemies to fight. Bandits need people to rob. The lack of wars going on in this map for the last year or so have sucked.

[Pancakehz 2279]

3 minutes ago, Aplex said:

The whole grrr bandit thing is just a bad stereotype that got engraved into players heads after bad encounters with previous bandits. It's not the hard to avoid bandits if ya don't want your role-play to get ruined. Just don't use the main roads lol. 

 

Anyways, thank you Ferrymen for providing good quality banditing roleplay. Every interaction i've had with a ferryman member has been enjoyable & a good laugh.

Why do we call it ruined roleplay? because not everyone on the server conforms to what someone else wants the RP to be? everyone talks up dynamic events and RP but cries when the events have negative impacts. Just because you don't get your way doesn't mean RP was ruined.

 

Edit: realize how this could be misconstrued at targeting you specifically so I wanted to clarify. I appreciate your attitude toward Ferrymen and you'll be met with equal respect for sure. You just happened to use a phrase I see all too often so I used your comment as a base for my own.

[Zhikarta 4064]

It's quite sad to see people still behave like this towards bandits. I understand that it isn't always fun to get mugged, but OOC'ly shitting on an entire playerbase because they hurt your pixel persona is quite low.

 

The behavior displayed by Mr Hanrahan here is quite telling, if anything. It shows perfectly well that there is a divide between certain players and the bandit community, and that some people push for a narrative to have people hating on them as a group. Mind you, if you actually take the time to properly roleplay, keep OOC out of the RP when you are mugged and treat the bandits with respect you'll be given enjoyable roleplay. They just like everyone else are here to enjoy themselves, a stereotype slapped onto them does not help.

 

@Hanrahan you having been on the server longer than them justifies nothing. You're being a ***** to them and are not only part of the problem they just adressed, but also a problem within the LOTC community as a whole. Act like an adult, and at least allow yourself to engage in civil conversation with people voicing their concerns on the forums.

 

There have been bad bandits in the past, and there have been bandit encounters and bandit players who I have taken issue with but that does not mean the entire community should be generalised. If anyone actually pays attention to the players themselves, there's been changes in the playerbase itself. I'm not too familiar with most of the bandits, but know some of the players and know that if you provide them good roleplay, you will get the exact same in return.

 

 

 

Don't be an *******, it goes a long way.

[Aplex 115]

8 minutes ago, Pancakehz said:

Why do we call it ruined roleplay? because not everyone on the server conforms to what someone else wants the RP to be? everyone talks up dynamic events and RP but cries when the events have negative impacts. Just because you don't get your way doesn't mean RP was ruined.

 

Edit: realize how this could be misconstrued at targeting you specifically so I wanted to clarify. I appreciate your attitude toward Ferrymen and you'll be met with equal respect for sure. You just happened to use a phrase I see all too often so I used your comment as a base for my own.

np man, i suppose i should have put ruined in quotations. 

[Your Stepdad 711]

I have been apart of the bandit community from time to time and all I gotta say is we are trying to have fun. There is no malicious attempt to ruin peoples experience on the server. If people were willing to have the roleplay experience with bandits there would be a lot less of this demonization of bandits. 

[Lefty 1696]

25 minutes ago, Hanrahan said:

Your "community" has never, nor will ever, offer anything positive to this community no matter how hard you shill for it lmao we've been around for 9 years almost 10 and you're still the reprehensible cancer of lotc go away nobody wants you and thats gods honest feedback

Hi Hanrahan,

As a player who has been around for just as long as you (longer in fact) and has witnessed you as a supposed member of "this community", I would just like to say that you have never, nor will ever, offer anything positive to any communities on LOTC, especially with comments such as that which are toxic, offensive and just plain rude. You should reconsider how you portray yourself online, referring to people as "cancer" reflects poorly upon you and your group (which I assume is Oren). Especially when said group is one of the most frowned upon and disliked communities on LOTC. So there is no need to give them an even worse name. This is a game, and everyone is here to have fun. I can see why you wouldn't like bandits, as they interrupt your 18th century colonial roleplay and heavy RP debates and court cases, but not everyone likes to play a fantasy minecraft server to discuss made up legislation. Some people like to provide villainous roleplay, and from my interaction with Mickaelhz groups, they have provided quality villainy roleplay. Far better than the villainous roleplay of those who came before them, even the villainous roleplay that I provided as a young teen on the server many years ago.

I hope you take a step back, and realize that you don't need to be so aggressive online, and take a long hard look at yourself and hopefully change your attitude for the better.

Thanks,
Lefty

[mika1278 3213]

It was a pretty scummy situation how i got banned there (first time as well), i have been preaching for a while that if you have an issue you have to resolve it during the ongoing conflict and not afterwards when communication is thrown out of the window. I enjoy conflict, good or bad for my character as long the quality of the roleplay holds up, which is the case in the last given situation. My bandit persona is to provide something for both me and whoever i interact with as it is a persona who does not only bandit, but he has a life besides it as well. 

The ban was caught on my alt, which instead of keeping me from playing my bandit character to provide roleplay in one way, i got completely blocked from doing anything on the server and it denied my ability to interact with my playerbase in the ways i usually do. to be forced to stick to the sidelines for 4 days as a nation leader is agonizing this close to map start with so much stuff yet to be done in the game, regions to be fixed up, building improvements as the city was left unfinished during the prebuild, explaining vortex to players who are unfamiliar with it, handing out gear to guards, roleplay with the citizens and council, guide the nation to the direction i prefer and much more. now all i can do is write documents and and watch screenshares of things that need to happen as soon as i get back.

the ban caught seems excessive in measure without any communication. (unless ofcourse you thought it was just another bad bandit instead of a nation leader trying to provide something to another playerbase.)