The eternal wagh

[lemonke 6014]

A  penitent one heed of the oncoming conflict, her concern for a precise lord of light's well-being grew. Albeit, she knew the strength he bore and for now, she would only pray for his safety and success.

[The King Of The Moon 7016]

15 minutes ago, Mordhaund said:

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casual cloakedsphere W

 

real

 

in all seriousness seek medical aid if you play actively on lotc

 

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I can only imagine how bad it must be NOT playing LoTC yet still stalking the forums to mald about people who do...

 

[ClassyDryad 2367]

2 minutes ago, The King Of The Moon said:

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I can only imagine how bad it must be NOT playing LoTC yet still stalking the forums to mald about people who do...

 

 

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Haha guys, imagine ever playing on a baby server like LOTC. Haha, why am I here typing this? Uh...

 

[Holyland 3650]

47 minutes ago, The King Of The Moon said:

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I can only imagine how bad it must be NOT playing LoTC yet still stalking the forums to mald about people who do...

 

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average lotc player mindset

 

i have not completely escaped mordew

 

[Cloakedsphere 1471]

48 minutes ago, UnBaed said:

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I still would have preferred if this was just like, a normal RP interaction between two groups instead of an all out declaration for a war claim.  Plus, what the hell is the source of all dark magic?

 

I'm more miffed about a WC being made than any other attempts to create feuding conflict RP - feels like a way to push past any potential conflict RP and getting right to the end of "crushing the source of dark magic so we look good and have something to brag about"

 

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Just because you may not be present does not mean we havent had ample amount of roleplay leading up to this decision. The first screenshot dates back to April of this year and all the screenshots are that of our discussions against dark magics. I am hesitant to produce these as many of the community might metagame the info but I'd rather be transparent. I am unsure where you guys are getting these claims of us doing this to "skip over" a set of rules, or that "we didnt do enough roleplay" to justify a war claim. I understand people might be afraid of the word "War claim" and how people have used it in the past, but, I can assure you that I am not doing this out for some OOC gains or spite. I had contacted Valannor and Whitewolf before about their lair and interacting with it, in which I was ghosted (presumably because they were busy IRL. Many people have lives outside of LotC and I did/do not hold it against them) so I decided to h old off on doing something until later down the line. Perhaps I would've been lucky enough to encounter them in game? But that wasnt the case. So I reached out (If I had to guess, close to 2 or 3 months later?) to speak with them once again. In which we've arrived here. If there are any problems with the war claim, I am sure administration will deny this claim and/or we will hash out problems in a war claim sub-thread pending acceptance of this war claim.

 

[winterblood 11181]

37 minutes ago, Cloakedsphere said:

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These screenshots and posts confuse me, since they seem to be primarily related to dealing with azdrazi which is an entirely separate group to what the synod is.  Your screenshot of the ruins of the synod itself doesn't really assure me with anything either, especially with the line that just says "this is the spook base"

 

I'm not accusing this post to be some big case of OOC targeting with absolutely zero RP backing.  I just wish this would have been done in better faith - if you wanted to try and interact with the lair, or try to arrange a meeting between our groups, or any other interaction - I'm sure the heads of the lair would have been more than willing to agree to something.

 

I feel like your perception of our "agreement" to this is a little flawed - you're the one wanting to push for a warclaim and pillage, while we were open to trying to work on arranging conflict RP between our groups.  We cannot deny a warclaim when its posted against us, only accept it and try to make the best of it despite a nation wanting to rally against an rp lair

 

Rp conflict can still remain official without the use of warclaims being posted - it just feels that warclaims force for a specific end to occur with pvp

 

Despite all of this, I'll be looking and hoping for some fun RP between our groups

 

[Cloakedsphere 1471]

4 hours ago, UnBaed said:

 

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These screenshots and posts confuse me, since they seem to be primarily related to dealing with azdrazi which is an entirely separate group to what the synod is.  Your screenshot of the ruins of the synod itself doesn't really assure me with anything either, especially with the line that just says "this is the spook base"

 

I'm not accusing this post to be some big case of OOC targeting with absolutely zero RP backing.  I just wish this would have been done in better faith - if you wanted to try and interact with the lair, or try to arrange a meeting between our groups, or any other interaction - I'm sure the heads of the lair would have been more than willing to agree to something.

 

I feel like your perception of our "agreement" to this is a little flawed - you're the one wanting to push for a warclaim and pillage, while we were open to trying to work on arranging conflict RP between our groups.  We cannot deny a warclaim when its posted against us, only accept it and try to make the best of it despite a nation wanting to rally against an rp lair

 

Rp conflict can still remain official without the use of warclaims being posted - it just feels that warclaims force for a specific end to occur with pvp

 

Despite all of this, I'll be looking and hoping for some fun RP between our groups

 

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As I had stated in the previous post, I did contact them months prior to this. The screenshots provided are those of our meetings and talks of "buurzhom". Some screenshots and posts mention azdrazi, yes, but that does not mean it excuses every other dark creature or magic.

 

I had never "pushed" or "forced" anyone into a war claim and pillage. I admit, maybe I could've been more transparent with the 3 individuals who lead the place more. But I am not sitting here and forcing anything upon anyone. I had made attempts to interact with the place prior. This is out of fairness and fun for everyone involved. We arent going to do PVP only. We aren't displacing synods. We aren't forcing them to move. We aren't destroying their base and we aren't doing it to loot grab. 

 

[Tabby64 1464]

I am going to be real here as someone who is not apart of this at all. I see a lot of malding

[Nooblius 7965]

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I am completely uninvolved in this but some of the things said are so bizarre to me that I am riled to respond and give my two cents. Forgive me if the rant is incoherent, I am also sick with the flu.

 

21 hours ago, BobBox said:

Hey man, just specifying for everyone that our "agreeable terms" were just that we'd talk out how we want to do it in the appropriate warclaim post, overseen by moderation as to avoid any problems arising with a presumably mostly pvp based war. There was nothing else concretely agreed upon. If this is the official document for saying you want to attack some dark magic people, perhaps it would be best in a format where PvP and looting isn't the main goal.

20 hours ago, UnBaed said:

I still would have preferred if this was just like, a normal RP interaction between two groups instead of an all out declaration for a war claim.  Plus, what the hell is the source of all dark magic?

 

I'm more miffed about a WC being made than any other attempts to create feuding conflict RP - feels like a way to push past any potential conflict RP and getting right to the end of "crushing the source of dark magic so we look good and have something to brag about"

How can anyone fault him for going through with it when it was explicitly told to him to do so and that was where the discussion would be? Especially when in the logs shown he explicitly offered to do it without a warclaim but expressed an interest in using it to do it properly, without toxicity. 

 

What's worse however is these allegations, both implied and explicit, of someone who actively put effort into communicating and trying to be the better player and calling it bad faith and trying to push past Roleplay. It's incredibly immature, come on guys.

 

 

18 hours ago, UnBaed said:

I'm not accusing this post to be some big case of OOC targeting with absolutely zero RP backing.  I just wish this would have been done in better faith - if you wanted to try and interact with the lair, or try to arrange a meeting between our groups, or any other interaction - I'm sure the heads of the lair would have been more than willing to agree to something.

18 hours ago, UnBaed said:

I feel like your perception of our "agreement" to this is a little flawed - you're the one wanting to push for a warclaim and pillage, while we were open to trying to work on arranging conflict RP between our groups.  We cannot deny a warclaim when its posted against us, only accept it and try to make the best of it despite a nation wanting to rally against an rp lair

By complaining it wasn't done in better faith, you are calling it bad faith. You are accusing someone of violating the intentions of the Roleplay server despite their attempts to reach out to your community and communicate. What's terrible about this reply as opposed to the first is that he posted the screenshots, and you know he reached out.

 

 

For your own sake, wise up and realize that you're not being oppressed here. I feel like I must be missing something, because the story as I've read it just does not make sense. Please, show me the bad faith. Maybe I'm overreading into these replies, but they seem pretty darn aggressive to me. How can you say someone is acting for PVP and loot, that it could have been better faith and complain about what they're doing without it being interpreted as whinging? 

 

I'm all for criticizing the current war system; because it's so god-awful. I understand we need some sort of system in order to ensure conflict is not denied from happening when RPly it would be possible, but the current system not only fails to moderate overt OOC toxicity playing a part but beyond that encourages it implicitly via its design to be based around PVP and OOC mechanics, not develop narrative.

 

But here we have someone putting in the work to actually try to fix that, to redeem a system and serve an example to spineless and or complacent old hats that no, we can actually do better. RP developed wars shouldn't be an outlier that exist beyond the server's rules, but can be the standard! Unfortunately he was immediately proven wrong by a vocal group that is hopefully a minority. Hopefully that doesn't rile the orcs to be toxic in reply, and they remain level headed and chill. The worst part about all of this is according to how the server standards work, he can be far crueler here and would be rule-wise justified. 

 

This server's state of war will never improve if we don't learn how to have RP conflicts in good faith. It seems to be a positive trend, one that gives me hope, that the overall community is starting to develop a hesitancy towards Nation-level RP and realizing the danger in its toxic nature. But it'll mean nothing if the official systems of the server reward the operation of OOC wars based on breaking OOC morale of communities in order to victor over them. Dreams and unicorns should fuel Lord of the Craft, not spite and, idk, like a warhorse (the analogy is falling apart I have the flu sue me).

 

If the trio in that chat legitimately were seriously perturbed about the idea of a warclaim, then either Cloaked is hiding logs and is a liar or they have some explaining to do to their community, because if he explicitly said "it doesn't have to be a warclaim" and you didn't take him up on that but instead elected to say "ok, we can discuss it on war thread" then that's on you.

 

Rant over, hope y'all have a wonderful day and know I appreciate you all. Genuinely, sorry if I was a bit too aggressive in my reply but I just feel awful for Cloaked here as it seems he's getting thrown under a truck despite trying to do the respectful thing. I can relate. Thanks for reading, let's try to make this server a better place for our hobby time. May God Bless you.

 

[ClassyDryad 2367]

42 minutes ago, Nooblius said:

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I am completely uninvolved in this but some of the things said are so bizarre to me that I am riled to respond and give my two cents. Forgive me if the rant is incoherent, I am also sick with the flu.

 

How can anyone fault him for going through with it when it was explicitly told to him to do so and that was where the discussion would be? Especially when in the logs shown he explicitly offered to do it without a warclaim but expressed an interest in using it to do it properly, without toxicity. 

 

What's worse however is these allegations, both implied and explicit, of someone who actively put effort into communicating and trying to be the better player and calling it bad faith and trying to push past Roleplay. It's incredibly immature, come on guys.

 

 

By complaining it wasn't done in better faith, you are calling it bad faith. You are accusing someone of violating the intentions of the Roleplay server despite their attempts to reach out to your community and communicate. What's terrible about this reply as opposed to the first is that he posted the screenshots, and you know he reached out.

 

 

For your own sake, wise up and realize that you're not being oppressed here. I feel like I must be missing something, because the story as I've read it just does not make sense. Please, show me the bad faith. Maybe I'm overreading into these replies, but they seem pretty darn aggressive to me. How can you say someone is acting for PVP and loot, that it could have been better faith and complain about what they're doing without it being interpreted as whinging? 

 

I'm all for criticizing the current war system; because it's so god-awful. I understand we need some sort of system in order to ensure conflict is not denied from happening when RPly it would be possible, but the current system not only fails to moderate overt OOC toxicity playing a part but beyond that encourages it implicitly via its design to be based around PVP and OOC mechanics, not develop narrative.

 

But here we have someone putting in the work to actually try to fix that, to redeem a system and serve an example to spineless and or complacent old hats that no, we can actually do better. RP developed wars shouldn't be an outlier that exist beyond the server's rules, but can be the standard! Unfortunately he was immediately proven wrong by a vocal group that is hopefully a minority. Hopefully that doesn't rile the orcs to be toxic in reply, and they remain level headed and chill. The worst part about all of this is according to how the server standards work, he can be far crueler here and would be rule-wise justified. 

 

This server's state of war will never improve if we don't learn how to have RP conflicts in good faith. It seems to be a positive trend, one that gives me hope, that the overall community is starting to develop a hesitancy towards Nation-level RP and realizing the danger in its toxic nature. But it'll mean nothing if the official systems of the server reward the operation of OOC wars based on breaking OOC morale of communities in order to victor over them. Dreams and unicorns should fuel Lord of the Craft, not spite and, idk, like a warhorse (the analogy is falling apart I have the flu sue me).

 

If the trio in that chat legitimately were seriously perturbed about the idea of a warclaim, then either Cloaked is hiding logs and is a liar or they have some explaining to do to their community, because if he explicitly said "it doesn't have to be a warclaim" and you didn't take him up on that but instead elected to say "ok, we can discuss it on war thread" then that's on you.

 

Rant over, hope y'all have a wonderful day and know I appreciate you all. Genuinely, sorry if I was a bit too aggressive in my reply but I just feel awful for Cloaked here as it seems he's getting thrown under a truck despite trying to do the respectful thing. I can relate. Thanks for reading, let's try to make this server a better place for our hobby time. May God Bless you.

 

 

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Based Nooblie.

 

[ReveredOwl 5639]

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Lairs should not be given any special dispensations just because they are a lair and not a nation, you can't hide behind that excuse when people have legitimate reason for attacking you. He did not have to open up a communication with you but he did and despite that he's still being attacked over it. Would you rather he just posted the warclaim and have it completely pvp, which is something he could have done. I really don't understand why people are trying to hide behind the excuse or ridicule this rp because 'its just a lair' when in rp its a fort that the orcs believe to be inhabbited by dark magic users, lair or no lair its a base of operations.

 

[TheWyrdWolf 1532]

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Alrighty, as one of the leaders of the Synod i'd like to put a stop to the needless knee jerk reaction comments that i'm seeing on this post. There is no need for all this doom and gloom. 

If Cloakedsphere didn't have any intention of doing this in good faith he would not have reached out to us to open a dialogue and discuss possibilities. I respect him for doing such and would like to openly apologize for missing his messages about interacting with the lair earlier in the year. Regardless, i have no issues with the warclaim and understand where he is coming from with wanting to make this 'Official'.

This warclaim represents an opportunity for both communities to do some truly interesting and engaging conflict RP besides just 1 PvP and 1 CRP battle. I believe the comments on this thread have just been a result of miscommunication, with my life as busy as it is i haven't been very active in the dialogue up to this point and failed to properly communicate what this would entail to my community.. And for that, i'm sorry.

I've since opened up a dialogue with Cloaked about evolving this into something special if both communities can come together and work towards the common cause of an interesting narrative and i truly believe that if we can both approach this from the right place and with the right intentions that there is no reason this can't be something amazing! I've also made my stance clear to my community and have done what i can to curb the knee jerk responses.

I'm looking forward to the possibilities here @Cloakedsphere and what's to come for both of our communities. Much love mate.

 

[Nooblius 7965]

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Alrighty, as one of the leaders of the Synod i'd like to put a stop to the needless knee jerk reaction comments that i'm seeing on this post. There is no need for all this doom and gloom. 

If Cloakedsphere didn't have any intention of doing this in good faith he would not have reached out to us to open a dialogue and discuss possibilities. I respect him for doing such and would like to openly apologize for missing his messages about interacting with the lair earlier in the year. Regardless, i have no issues with the warclaim and understand where he is coming from with wanting to make this 'Official'.

This warclaim represents an opportunity for both communities to do some truly interesting and engaging conflict RP besides just 1 PvP and 1 CRP battle. I believe the comments on this thread have just been a result of miscommunication, with my life as busy as it is i haven't been very active in the dialogue up to this point and failed to properly communicate what this would entail to my community.. And for that, i'm sorry.

I've since opened up a dialogue with Cloaked about evolving this into something special if both communities can come together and work towards the common cause of an interesting narrative and i truly believe that if we can both approach this from the right place and with the right intentions that there is no reason this can't be something amazing! I've also made my stance clear to my community and have done what i can to curb the knee jerk responses.

I'm looking forward to the possibilities here @Cloakedsphere and what's to come for both of our communities. Much love mate.

 

 

My biggest recommendation is to consider what has worked in other wars that was fun for both sides, so like doing fights/skrimishes (I think CRP would be better both sides, shamans vs mystics kekw) that have tangible RP effects but don't necessarily cause OOC problems of inability to continue a character's story like total destruction does. Maybe even work with ST to get special slips of approval given how this is a very lore intensive conflict.

 

As well, massive respect for saying something. You're a chad.

 

[Reckless Banzai Screamer 15456]

With the loss of his brother Danzen (so he thought) and news reaching him in his farm home, Oijin downs a shot of sake and makes plan to rendezvous with the orcs in blind fury hitting anything considered dark and spawn until he either got what he wanted or got put down like old yeller.