On Celia'nor's Dissolution

[Nectorist 12869]

I'm going to be impaled for this, but I think this is a really bad way to handle these sorts of situations. Apparently none of the leaders involved were notified at all before being told that things were going to reset in Celia'nor, despite many of them having moved on and adjusted their RP to fit the changes around. Why not just work with the people involved to find an outcome that satisfies everyone? Throwing them back into the middle of a stressful situation (hey, you're now back to leading a playerbase that's in the middle of a war that's seen four of your allies surrender) with literally ZERO notice whatsoever just doesn't sound like something people would want. 

 

Maybe they would! I think that decision should be up to them.

[Haseroth 1740]

Question for the admin. How are people meant to react or act rather in terms of all the rp that has occured following the celianor developments?

[Pancho 4197]

2 minutes ago, Nectorist said:

Why not just work with the people involved to find an outcome that satisfies everyone?

admins dont listen to common sense, that's why

[Jihnyny 5233]

3 minutes ago, Nectorist said:

I'm going to be impaled for this, but I think this is a really bad way to handle these sorts of situations. Apparently none of the leaders involved were notified at all before being told that things were going to reset in Celia'nor, despite many of them having moved on and adjusted their RP to fit the changes around. Why not just work with the people involved to find an outcome that satisfies everyone? Throwing them back into the middle of a stressful situation (hey, you're now back to leading a playerbase that's in the middle of a war that's seen four of your allies surrender) with literally ZERO notice whatsoever just doesn't sound like something people would want.

LOL fr, like what about the characters that were inevitably effected by this rp greatly already, or even created FOR this rp. You cant just void all of this atp. 

[Unwillingly 18103]

36 minutes ago, Josh3738 said:

Based off what was posted on the forums, the contents of the minimal in-game roleplay that occurred, and other information we have received, we cannot let this situation slide, and will be doing the following:

is it at all unreasonable to ask that this line is elaborated on? what courses of action were taken that were found not to be RP'd for example? what's this "other information" you received? what's the exact issue with the forums posts?

not trying to point the finger, I consider myself pretty impartial and I honestly don't have any strong feelings on the situation so I'm just curious. it feels incredibly vague rn given the circumstances both leading to and following celia'nor's dissolution, especially considering literally nobody (not even cnor or war leaders, if I'm wrong on this someone correct me) were given a heads up on this. as you'd imagine the lotc conspiracy theorists work hastily so it'd certainly help mitigate misinformation to have a response to this all

[Badgermordakin 760]

[LobsterLarry 1514]

another one bites the dust

[hearth_ 1023]

There's got to be a better way to moderate metaplay than voiding ~5 IRP months of interactions. That's an insane amount of time and energy from players and their characters to just toss out the window.

[KidKrinkles 2043]

I literally just roleplayed tax evasion what the hell

[Panashea 3323]

I am an orc and enjoy the premium roleplay experience. Highly recommend

[Haseroth 1740]

Admins, please realize that voiding 5 months of rp is a silly solution especially when you have failed to communicate with anyone from either the covenant side nor the league side. Entire national developments were driven in large part by the celianor dissolution. I am also being told xoxo was not even informed this had been picked as the solution. I am wondering why things could not have simply been better communicated to avoid things spiraling out of control.

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

To be serious I don't think anyone is entitled to a convenient metaplay ban. Fruit of the Poisonous tree type stuff - the initial RP was bad, and so everything spiraling from it was. Staff can always communicate better that is just generally a given for LoTC, but to be frank if the solution did not involve voiding RP that came from metaplay id be furious. It just encourages groups to nominate a fall guy, have him metaplay as subtely as he can and if he gets caught long enough after the initial RP staff just goes "oh well :D guess we cant do anything but ban this guy hahahaha i wish someone had more power to fix this"

 

This frankly just sets the bar that nothing is off limits when it comes to metaplay which is GREAT considering its barely been a month since the last one that was caught.

[Haseroth 1740]

5 minutes ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

To be serious I don't think anyone is entitled to a convenient metaplay ban. Fruit of the Poisonous tree type stuff - the initial RP was bad, and so everything spiraling from it was. Staff can always communicate better that is just generally a given for LoTC, but to be frank if the solution did not involve voiding RP that came from metaplay id be furious. It just encourages groups to nominate a fall guy, have him metaplay as subtely as he can and if he gets caught long enough after the initial RP staff just goes "oh well :D guess we cant do anything but ban this guy hahahaha i wish someone had more power to fix this"

 

This frankly just sets the bar that nothing is off limits when it comes to metaplay which is GREAT considering its barely been a month since the last one that was caught.

It's not even about that specifically. The problem is that not even the victim were communicated with and spoken to in order to figure out what they wanted the solution to me. Xoxominnie has quit the server as i am being told. None of the covenant leaders were made aware any kind of investigations was ongoing. If any of you are reading this and were, please feel free to correct me.

In shorts the act of voiding itself wasnt the issue. But rather the fact it was assumed to be the only viable and DESIRED solution for the victims.

[hearth_ 1023]

1 minute ago, PrimnyaQuorum said:

but to be frank if the solution did not involve voiding RP that came from metaplay id be furious.

 

The fact that it effects the roleplay of all players tied to the concept of Celian'or's dissolution is a huge blunder. Now there's going to be mixed interpretations on exactly what is and isn't voided across a diverse set of personalities. Some will cling to emotional pivots from the dissolution and claim it's 'legal' under the vague terms given for what's not voided. Others will say this, another group that. It might be a form of justice to void all of the attached roleplay but it isn't what's healthiest for the server, imo.

[trinn 5128]

29 minutes ago, Nectorist said:

I'm going to be impaled for this, but I think this is a really bad way to handle these sorts of situations. Apparently none of the leaders involved were notified at all before being told that things were going to reset in Celia'nor, despite many of them having moved on and adjusted their RP to fit the changes around. Why not just work with the people involved to find an outcome that satisfies everyone? Throwing them back into the middle of a stressful situation (hey, you're now back to leading a playerbase that's in the middle of a war that's seen four of your allies surrender) with literally ZERO notice whatsoever just doesn't sound like something people would want. 

 

Maybe they would! I think that decision should be up to them.

 

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