On Conflicts of Interest

[argonian 14254]

26 minutes ago, Werew0lf said:

yeah ur just wrong 

 

i was a clergyman in good standing but people did not know that Raguel was my clergymans disguise

 

i was called a demon by priests way before during my appearances in haense before i even hit the rank of cardinal

 

i was also ostracised in minitz or something else during this time when i appeared as raguel, there was a book in the aaun library that discussed the nature of demons and my char was mentioned as a subject of this (truth) and this was before I had PK’d or even gotten to the pontiff elections against nolan

 

i was not recognised as an angel really soon after i was raguel. i only became recognised during madone’s reign, and that happened after nolan’s reign, and in nolan’s reign I was actively indicted as being a demon by the curia (haensers) because I was their competitors before in the pontifical election + villorik didn’t like what I said about amaya or smth 

 

can u stop being wrong plz it’s like 🥱

u didnt even run against nolan lmao

[LoTC's Next Top Model 1626]

2 hours ago, Fluffy Horror said:

@IslamadonI know he's not a real angel, the entire Empire still does whatever the character says to do., and he has a lot of power to back it up- apparently he burned a bunch of cities to the ground by himself? Is this a power realistically obtainable by a normal player?

 

You don't think that playing both the head of church AND the head of state is going to present a problem down the line? You don't think all the things he's done for the Empire, i.e. arranging for them to become an Empire through OOC and IC discussions, razing cities for them, putting the fear of GOD into enemies, all of which were actively benefitted by his ST status- played a factor in getting him the princedom? You don't think that an ST with the next Emperor and the head of the church has the power to completely dictate the plotline, especially so because they write the lore? Did they write the lore that enabled their djinn to pretend to be an angel?

 

We all enjoy writing and RPing, we are on a roleplay server. If the Lore you write is interesting, people will be enthusiastic about it, and will start it themselves without you having to be the NL. As a former plot member of my LARP it sure is stressful to let your plot baby go into the hands of regular players, but it's ultimately what's necessary.

 

@BenleftI didn't say it because I didn't know who he was. I now do, thanks for the info!

 

@LoTC's Next Top ModelThe tech guy writes the nation rules? That seems like it is not part of his duties as the tech guy. If that is expressly a power of his, for sure he should not have leadership- but y'all why did the tech people get that job?? Now I'm even more confused.

 

You cannot say that being an ST does not give you an advantage over other players. Other players are motivated to give you what you want. You have the direct power to sabotage them, or help them. Hell, you can write an event to PK them, if you like. You can pit them against a monster way above their level. Do the STs not directly run events? Who does?

 

It's NOT the same in the war server, because who are people's characters going to side with- the nation with an ST playing an angel (fake or not, the powers are still powering), in the royal family, actively showing favoritism, or the nation that doesn't have that? I know what I'd pick. People are facing being wiped off the map or falling in line. Look at Balian. They were completely routed and became vassals of the orcs, no longer a threat, no longer fighting. And yet, the Empire has still been attacking them, because destroying their nation is not enough. They didn't surrender, so people OOC want them gone (I have heard multiple people say this OOC in VCs multiple times). Other players look at that and DO NOT want that to happen to them. They're gonna side with wherever the winds are blowing, and right now, that's to a nation and church run by an ST.

 

It is impossible to eliminate the advantage STs have. Therefore, they shouldn't be Nation Leaders. Any staff member with a significant advantage because of their position should not be NLs, period. 

>The tech guy writes the nation rules? That seems like it is not part of his duties as the tech guy. If that is expressly a power of his, for sure he should not have leadership- but y'all why did the tech people get that job?? Now I'm even more confused.

kowaman is basically in charge of everything. for better and often worse. that's why this was problematic. staff have been leading nations for years without problems.

> Hell, you can write an event to PK them, if you like.

you absolutely CANNOT do this lmao. all pk events are clearly marked and require that to be acknowledged before entering. you can't FORCE PK events on people. et honestly cant do very much do you without your explicit consent, most of the time. i think you fundamentally misunderstand what the st actually does. yes, they do events. no, they can't drop a gorillion megatitans on you at random and then say "this is a pk event", that's ludicrous. you have to willingly sign up to an event that is listed as a pk event, where you know going in your character MIGHT be pk'd. it's not allowed to be a surprise.

>It's NOT the same in the war server, because who are people's characters going to side with- the nation with an ST playing an angel (fake or not, the powers are still powering), in the royal family

i mean people sided against them in the most recent war. i don't think the entire server went "oh, the angel of [human religon not all humans even believe in] is here!" and instantly converted on mass. my character didn't. my character is RACIST.

>They didn't surrender, so people OOC want them gone (I have heard multiple people say this OOC in VCs multiple times). Other players look at that and DO NOT want that to happen to them. They're gonna side with wherever the winds are blowing, and right now, that's to a nation and church run by an ST.

you dont need to be st or be friends with st to hate a playerbase, and shit like this has been going on for YEARS without ANY staff members being involved. like i said in my first post, the grinder nation will win every time. the nation with the most people. that is almost always the current main human nation, no matter who they have leading them, because most people play humans.

also, notice how you only have one example of a player who is this relevant. he wasn't given that power because he's st, or else every st would be given megagod superpower ocs. they're not. he is just using the ca he has that could be offered to anyone (it was offered to me at one point but i wasnt interested, for example. i havnt been staff in a great number of years, and that was as a community centric position that didnt give me any power, really.). HE is the one character that is doing this, and if he wasn't st, he'd still be the fake angel leading the church right now, because him being st is irrelevant to that. st players tend to be good roleplayers and players more invested in the server and it's world, and those people also consequently tend to be more influential because they have ambition and shit. as werewolf himself describes in several of the above posts, him becoming the angel leading humanity was an event that took MONTHS of buildup and deception. he didn't just go "i'm st, i'm going to be an angel now". at many points it could've just floundered and fizzled. instead, something cool and interesting happened. i think a lot of people are just really mad he was successful in the end and mald about it like he just did it overnight.

no other st is doing that, and a number of the most known demi-djinn arn't staff
 

[wowj 9747]

demi djinn cabal that runs the server

[Fluffy Horror 496]

@LoTC's Next Top ModelComsidering just how much historical drama I have heard, it sounds like it has been a problem for a long time, just not everyone sees it as a problem.

 

Good that they can't PK wily nily! They can still roll up and murder you.

 

I find it insane that people are allowed to grief groups they don't like OOCly, that feels like it's against the spirit of collaborative roleplay. It really toes the line of metagaming to organize people in game to murder and harass a player base you don't like out of game. I am surprised that this kind of thing isn't regulated? Put a cool down timer on raiding certain groups of people after their nation is destroyed? Let them build somewhere else instead of trying to drive them to quit their characters and leave the server.

 

I'm using the Werewolf example because it is a current example. I have heard a LOT of drama. A while ago I personally was almost murdered by an ST in a random event because they thought I was a different player who uses the same first name. They were in a VC with others at the time, and when they found out that I was NOT this person they hated, but a new player, they had all of enemies die except for one, and the fight was significantly more manageable from them on. I only know this because after, when I wondered why a bunch of the enemies suddenly exploded mid-fight, and someone who had been on that call told me why. I got targeted because an ST mistook me for a player they didn't like (and this player sounds like a really shitty person, but the point stands). That's just my own personal experience, and I have no desire to hash it out because it's over and done with, the course was corrected in time, and they didn't kill my character.

 

I've been sitting around listening to much older players complain about STs directing nations going back several maps. Stories about places I haven't even heard of, and characters who are long dead.

 

You can tell a LOT about the management and leadership of a group by how much the community bitches. I have been through LARPs rife with corruption all the way up to the healthy one I'm in now. The more players complain about unfairness, the more issues there are with the structure of how things are run. And these aren't people who enjoy being negative. These are people who are great, who spread positivity and focus on the current game, but get them on the topic of perceived Admin, ST, and Mod overreach, I haven't found very many people who don't have anything to say.

 

I know it sucks as staff to hear that people don't have faith in your ability to be fair, but it's important to listen to players, and not just fellow staff members and those who are actively benefitting from a relationship with staff members.

 

Try to resist the knee jerk urge to dismiss complaints. This many people upset can't be entirely wrong. Somewhere in between the opinion of the staff and the opinion of the players lies the truth.

[Rig 17580]

"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

 

TL;DR

 

Anybody who is arguing on this thread has missed the mark. You want the server to be better? Act better. Simple as.

[Fluffy Horror 496]

1 hour ago, rigorous said:

"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

 

TL;DR

 

Anybody who is arguing on this thread has missed the mark. You want the server to be better? Act better. Simple as.

 

Hey, so, that's real great for the people who want the server to be better, but for everyone who likes the status quo and has no desire to change things, that doesn't do anything. You can't get such a large group of people to act better without any motivation, you need to put rules and other structures in place to make it happen. Going "hey guys, just be better!" has never worked, ever, in the history of mankind.

[Werew0lf 24180]

11 hours ago, argonian said:

u didnt even run against nolan lmao

ye ur dumb just go back to roblox

 

also correction i mistakened nolan for sanders they’re like the same people ig 

[xDK 1205]

@Fluffy Horror haha, good luck! 🍿

[CHARLES THE BALD 2615]

3 hours ago, rigorous said:

"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

 

I'm sure Mark Twain planned this quote to be applied on a forum supporting a video game server where people are feeling angry because someone protected their minecraft roleplay kingdom.

 

We are the idiots, we are the outcasts, we are the weird ones who do minecraft roleplay, never forget that.

 

It's been 100 messages, grow up and move on.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2025 by Charles The Bald

[colovian fur 8360]

9 hours ago, rigorous said:

"Never argue with fools. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain

 

TL;DR

 

Anybody who is arguing on this thread has missed the mark. You want the server to be better? Act better. Simple as.

 

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

On 5/29/2025 at 1:16 AM, Fluffy Horror said:

I'm using the Werewolf example because it is a current example. I have heard a LOT of drama. A while ago I personally was almost murdered by an ST in a random event because they thought I was a different player who uses the same first name. They were in a VC with others at the time, and when they found out that I was NOT this person they hated, but a new player, they had all of enemies die except for one, and the fight was significantly more manageable from them on. I only know this because after, when I wondered why a bunch of the enemies suddenly exploded mid-fight, and someone who had been on that call told me why. I got targeted because an ST mistook me for a player they didn't like (and this player sounds like a really shitty person, but the point stands). That's just my own personal experience, and I have no desire to hash it out because it's over and done with, the course was corrected in time, and they didn't kill my character.

gunna be real this is not the "gotcha" its being leveraged as. report it or dont bring it up lol. 90% of Problems exist on LoTC because the people involved opt not to report the issue until its far past its occurrence/it serves to inflate their ego in a conversation and make them look more morally appealing.

[Apotolofo 2204]

im confused

[Hot_Dip 789]

admins have perm banned people for doing this same type of thing, All you're gonna do is step down from your RP position lmaooo, how about step down from staff and self ban for 5 months.

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE