On Conflicts of Interest

[Smmer 2441]

Remember that people can fight for both sides, just cause someone disagrees with you don’t use it as an excuse to ss them and shit talk them in priv discords lol. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and belief this extends into how they have viewed events from their perspective and it should be important to remember that not everyone had or has had the same experience with Llir, some people don’t know him as well as others so don’t dog pile on them. Making the comment here so people check themselves before they reply to each other. We can be courteous, polite and still get our point across without further discourse and discontent. If we want change we have to not resort to quips and short sentences asking for his removal. 

[Adelemphii 1766]

1 hour ago, Suzzie said:

In the politest way possible, I feel this is a heavy handed kneejerk response.

Metaplay is metaplay, why don't we treat this on a case by case basis and not make a blanket ruling? Is it too difficult to flag down staff members and weed them out for metaplay at this level? 

Let me be clear, I understand the Realm leader rule. But other forms of "leadership"? That's a basic aspiration in roleplay, and I think it'll put a severe dent in the enjoyability of the server for your moderation team. They're still players at the end of the day, more so than Admins who hold even more responsibilities. 

 

I really urge that you revisit this and keep the Admin change but reconsider reverting to prior version of the Moderation NL rule. The whole team shouldn't be punished for the possibility of a "bad actor", punish any bad actor that comes along. 

 

**Also Tech team seems to be hit with the same bat,  I'm a bit unfamiliar with their game. But I'm fighting for you guys too. 

it's gonan take me 6-12 business months to get approval if i have to go through kowaman when my persona gets appointed to a leadership role...

[monkeypoacher 8055]

"I do not think I can consider this clearly in RP without an answer to the mechanical outcome"

 

Well if you can't roleplay on the roleplay server without worrying about these confusing "mechanics" maybe that's a case for getting rid of them. Everyone is just making them up as they go along anyway. And apparently getting hung up on the exact way to translate paraslop game mechanics prevents people from doing any actual war or diplomacy in roleplay.

 

Basing anything on "precedent" seems especially hairy. I don't think I can remember a decision staff have made that wasn't widely loathed. "Precedent" is you can ban half a nation's players and then start a war with them. 

 

Why does it matter if you're a vassal or a "protectorate," anyway? Can't you negotiate what those terms mean IRP? Other than we've decided that the Prime Rib Region Owner can arbitrarily take your shit and kick you out with no RP.

 

also you're collectively punishing mods because you broke the metaplay rules but it's funny that mods can't be in nation group chats now so go off

[Frank_Dog 808]

4 hours ago, Laeonathan said:

if entire communities left, why is the playercount still that high despite new map having been announced already?

 

also which community quit entirely? i still see the hohkmat, vortice, vikela, hyspia, balian, haense, celianor and lurin players around

I mean I think the initial was a hyperbole, but you'd be blind if you said you didn't see members from each community leave the server after their communities got squashed and now, we are forced with limited environments to rp in currently. I saw it after Silasia(players who haven't returned since) and watched it continue as nations fell like dominoes. Sure, it may be pretty small in some communities, but then that gets larger as the nations fall. Many of whom remain of former groups now just have less fun with roleplay, it can often feel like a grueling experience. This experience is worsened by things that rub people the wrong way. An angel aids in the church being an independent power who then creates an empire. Then the user of that angel gets to be heir (I think everyone with a level head can see the issue with that.) Numendil leads a war against Silasia, the church joins in and gives that nations former land to the orcs, who in turn make it an independent elven state with orcish players. A war is determined by lots of good pvp players coming to the server for it, then when war is over you see many of them have quit being active. The worst of all is that even in the server's current state with players already not motivated, people still get shit on oocly bc of the side they were in character. Meanwhile we are seeing certain players get hammed down on for metaplay, while we all still see metaplay openly happening and being allowed. 

[JustMeMorgan 2067]

Can we also just remember that what Llir did was a last minute before just to organise technicalities

 

What other's do is the ooc trading of magic and cliques to make sure it doesn't get distributed, the lenient and deliberate manipulation of events irp to make sure that family x marries family y so in 3 years there's still an orenian bloodline person.

Y'all are asking this man to step down for being worried about of being cucked by rulings, something anyone would do. He wasn't deliberately saying "you need to agree to this or give me transfiguration and I'll give you seer.

 

In other news, remember to look outside it's a bit dreary today in England but there's probably sun somewhere :) 

[monkeypoacher 8055]

7 minutes ago, JustMeMorgan said:

Can we also just remember that what Llir did was a last minute before just to organise technicalities

I hope no one here is kidding themselves about kowaman stepping down. You do actually need someone to maintain the plugins.
 

We're all minemen trying to survive in a harsh mineworld. His individual shortcomings here aren't important except to demonstrate how unbelievably stupid and self-defeating this system has become

[Kaiser 2347]

As for my part, I attempted to moderate this situation the best I could as the leader of the realm system.

 

My Discord is KaiserThoren

 

Any and all are free to message me if you have questions on this topic, or realms in general. I try to be fairly open to the community on my decisions and thought process and these things. Overall I think this is the best example as to why staff should not be dealing with nations they are involved with, and I am happy for this change.

[monkeypoacher 8055]

Just now, Kaiser said:

As for my part, I attempted to moderate this situation the best I could as the leader of the realm system.

 

My Discord is KaiserThoren

 

Any and all are free to message me if you have questions on this topic, or realms in general. I try to be fairly open to the community on my decisions and thought process and these things. Overall I think this is the best example as to why staff should not be dealing with nations they are involved with, and I am happy for this change.

Hello. Uninstall EU4 please

[JustMeMorgan 2067]

one more thing

"I am not asking you to commit to anything IRP. but I am hoping we can be in agreement OOC so that the weight is lifted off our shoulders and we can focus on making the best decision IRP based off RP alone"

 

This man was not organising out and metaplaying, he was trying to take off stress. He's human and had a lot of pressure from a mineman community that he just wanted to alleviate. He just wanted to know some information as he was fearing he was going to commit a community that has existed for over a decade to the drain over a decision he did not understand logistically.

[Kaiser 2347]

12 minutes ago, monkeypoacher said:

Hello. Uninstall EU4 please

 

Never played.

[_Sheylo_ 1177]

Oh, and in todays' forecast, we see Unwillingly certainly spreading around screenshots in very good faith, certainly not trying to run a smear campaign. 🤯Followed by a mob of bitter people asking the person who logistically runs the plugins, fixes issues, and puts near full time hours to make sure you get a smooth experience, to step down. I can't roll my eyes enough at you people. Too immersed in the mineman politics to use common sense.

He was not meant to be forced into the position he was put into, Maheral was meant to be a role that strictly taught culture for the high elves and provided insight and wisdom when needed. Unfortunately, to meet outrageous demands and a, quite frankly, ret***ed casus belli because the person in charge was meant to be on hiatus, he had to step in because something had to be done.

Personally, I think it is a good idea for the staff team not to be allowed leadership positions without their team's admin permission. As many, not in very good faith, seek moderation or staff team permissions specifically for that. Despite popular belief, if you hold some position of OOC power, you are more likely to be looked upon favorably in RP because people will expect something out of you. If you are ST, you will get positions and otherwise in exchange for running events or making relics or MArts for the nation. If you are CT, you might get positions because you funnel new players directly to said nation. And come on, really, moderation? There are very, very few mods who I believe could actually be unbias in situations, and more often than not, either as an undertone or verbally, people want a specific mod who they may be friends with or know because they believe they will provide a favorable outcome for them.

tldr; I agree with the changes made and think mob mentality is ****ing stupid.

 

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[argonian 14254]

1 hour ago, monkeypoacher said:

"I do not think I can consider this clearly in RP without an answer to the mechanical outcome"

 

Well if you can't roleplay on the roleplay server maybe that's a case for getting rid of these stupid rules and "precedents." Everyone is just making them up as they go along anyway. And apparently getting hung up on the exact way to translate paraslop game mechanics prevents people from doing any actual war or diplomacy in roleplay.

 

Basing anything on "precedent" seems especially hairy. I don't think I can remember a decision staff have made that wasn't widely loathed. "Precedent" is you can ban half a nation's players and then start a war with them. 

 

Why does it matter if you're a vassal or a "protectorate," anyway? Other than we've decided that the Prime Rib Region Owner can arbitrarily take your shit and kick you out with no RP.

 

also you're collectively punishing mods because you broke the metaplay rules but it's funny that mods can't be in nation group chats now so go off

Guy who literally writes the rules realising he can't RP without breaking rule #1 to discuss how rule #2 would work in this particular case: "The problem is obviously that I sent the message instead of a non-staff player we could've just banned."

 

🤡

[GMRO 6187]

ban yourself for three months with appeal and say no more about it

 

or get kicked off admin and say you're stepping down

[FarrStar 216]

This means we can blacklist staff from leadership now right?

[Nectorist 12871]

On 5/26/2025 at 11:06 AM, _Sheylo_ said:

Oh, and in todays' forecast, we see Unwillingly certainly spreading around screenshots in very good faith, certainly not trying to run a smear campaign. 🤯Followed by a mob of bitter people asking the person who logistically runs the plugins, fixes issues, and puts near full time hours to make sure you get a smooth experience, to step down. I can't roll my eyes enough at you people. Too immersed in the mineman politics to use common sense.

 

Unwillingly only shared those screens with some of the people directly involved with the diplo in Caurost. It wasn’t even to slander Daisy, just to give context to what was going on. One of the people she sent it around to was the person who spread it further. Stop working yourself up into hysterics to try and twist this into an evil Unwillingly plot. The logs speak for themselves, and the logs show that Daisy crossed a line (albeit not egregiously) and didn’t take into account her position as admin while handling diplomacy.

 

She hasn’t called for Daisy to be removed, hasn’t weighed in on this, and she didn’t even want to be prominently featured in this post. Daisy admitted to her mistakes, so you don’t need to scream about this being some kind of conspiracy.